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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:22 am Reply with quote
Coming into Sword Oratoria I had low expectations, especially because Aiz is such a boring character. Danmachi S1 started strong, but it became kind of dull around the middle, and its inconclusive ending did not help either. Sword Oratoria started weak, but it got better as it went along, even Aiz became kind of interesting..

In the end, I like Sword Oratoria better than Danmachi S1. I honestly don't see that much of a difference in the overall quality of the two shows; to me both of them are C+ to B- quality. That being said, I hope that, even with the low discs sales of Sword Oratoria, a proper sequel to Danmachi S1 is animated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:16 am Reply with quote
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Grade:
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Overall (sub) : B
Story : B
Animation : B+
Art : B+
Music : B+

You're a generous man. I'd give it a C or C+ overall and for the story and animation since so much was cut. It's obvious that Sword Oratoria was done by J.C. Staff's C-team, as befitting its proper grade.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:57 pm Reply with quote
The entire arc where Ais joins with Hermes familia was such a huge disappointment that I can't say much of anything positive about this show(there were more problems of course), also the whole thing was rushed to hell, not the worst rushing I've seen but it definitely didn't do it any favors.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:12 pm Reply with quote
This was my biggest disappointment of the cour. The character interactions weren't as fun as S1, though Lefiya and Filvis definitely helped there. And the main problem, of course, was the unimpressive battles. A solo fight to become level 6 shouldn't be boring, but it was; Bell's fight to become level 2 was much better (hence why they reused a lot of that animation, though it mostly just highlights how much worse the new animation is). Plus, so much of the season was spent fighting the same okay-ish CG plants. The new story information was interesting, and I intend to read the novels at some point, but I certainly won't be revisiting this season like I did with S1.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:24 am Reply with quote
the problem here is that ais have zero emotions at the slightest. she is more or less like akame from akame a kill who had little emotions until tatsumi showed up or like satalizer from freezing. though the most she have in common personawise is the mikasa clone from the index/railgun series since she have absolutely ZERO emotions let alone any affections to the opposite sex. just like aiz when she is around bell.

while it wont be as good as railgun since the main is completely dull and lifeless personawise, its an interesting spinoff series. just dont make loki as annoying as she was in the original series. we all know that loki is more or less a man hating lesbian type , the last thing we all want is for her obsession of aiz to turn her into another kuroko shirai.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:58 am Reply with quote
The series is too filled with fluff, that said fluff is a screaming Aiz is huge problem. I really liked the story, I love the rest of the cast but basically Everything with Aiz was really stale and bad in my opinion.
It was still good enough for me to Watch the whole thing though so I guess decent 6/10 or something along those lines.

However the end of the series last fight really pissed me off too, in a series which main attractions is great boss fight they did the standard dragonball ending to the fight. spoiler[Main character fires powerful attack, enemy fires powerful attack and as the two super mega powerful attacks collide the main characters energy happens to be stronger so he wins, KO.] Anime over, Epic or not? Lazy crap fight if you ask me, missing every single thing that was great about the fighting of the original series.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:15 am Reply with quote
Okay, I know a lot of people were disappointed with this one, but some of the criticisms I'm seeing here are simply not accurate.

Anyone who thinks Aiz is emotionless was not paying attention. As I said in the review, it doesn't come through in the anime version as well as it does in the novels (and that's definitely a legitimate complaint, though I think it would have been incredibly hard to pull off well), but her emotions are there.

Shuffleblade wrote:
However the end of the series last fight really pissed me off too, in a series which main attractions is great boss fight they did the standard dragonball ending to the fight.spoiler[ Main character fires powerful attack, enemy fires powerful attack and as the two super mega powerful attacks collide the main characters energy happens to be stronger so he wins, KO.] Anime over, Epic or not? Lazy crap fight if you ask me, missing every single thing that was great about the fighting of the original series.

There was more in that final exchange than that - and that "more" was a critical difference to what you're talking about. Besides, I'll dispute with anyone that the final fight was a "lazy crap fight," as it embodied much of what made the final fight of the main series so great.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:44 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:

There was more in that final exchange than that - and that "more" was a critical difference to what you're talking about. Besides, I'll dispute with anyone that the final fight was a "lazy crap fight," as it embodied much of what made the final fight of the main series so great.

I'm not sure what you mean with it being "more" to the final battle. I agree to a degree but for me that "more" was the characters themselves, I like them so naturally I kinda liked parts of the fight. But that just means they have well developed, interesting and likeable characters and that they use that well, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the actual fight.
The fight was basically spoiler[big powerful energy attacks that the heroes have to painfully take while gritting their teeth, getting knocked around. Standing back up even though they should be unconscious (Bleach, Db anyone?). After the great characters have done their part to show how painful its been and how strong the enemy is the main character moves in to deal the finishing blow. However, of course a useless attempt from the main supporting character to do something useless that she knows wont make a difference but does anyway due to strong emotional bonds, guts and pure willpower. In the end the afformentioned desperate attack ends up accidently saving the mc and making the final victory possible.]

Of course what is a good fight and what is a bad fight is 100% subjective. My opinion though is that spoiler[taking damage while getting knocked around bravely protecting your friends, winning due to a fluke more than skill or strategy (Aiz accidently saving mc in the end) and pure energy ball vs pure energy ball which energy ball has most energy finale are all bad examples.] A good fight is one with evident skill, strategy and that engages you and make you sit on the edge of your seat, this finale did none of the above for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:06 am Reply with quote
First off, I went back and put spoiler tags in your descriptions of the final fight. Unlike with episode review threads, you cannot assume that those reading this thread have already seen the series to that point. Please keep this in mind for any future posts.

Shuffleblade wrote:
The fight was basically spoiler[big powerful energy attacks that the heroes have to painfully take while gritting their teeth, getting knocked around. Standing back up even though they should be unconscious (Bleach, Db anyone?). After the great characters have done their part to show how painful its been and how strong the enemy is the main character moves in to deal the finishing blow. However, of course a useless attempt from the main supporting character to do something useless that she knows wont make a difference but does anyway due to strong emotional bonds, guts and pure willpower. In the end the afformentioned desperate attack ends up accidently saving the mc and making the final victory possible.]


spoiler[There was nothing "accidental" about what Lefiya did. I thought she was quite clearly aiming for the shot that was coming in on Aiz. She's shown elsewhere to actually be pretty savvy with her spell use (when she's resolute enough to actually complete her spells, of course!), and that case was no different.]

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Of course what is a good fight and what is a bad fight is 100% subjective. My opinion though is that spoiler[taking damage while getting knocked around bravely protecting your friends, winning due to a fluke more than skill or strategy (Aiz accidently saving mc in the end) and pure energy ball vs pure energy ball which energy ball has most energy finale are all bad examples.] A good fight is one with evident skill, strategy and that engages you and make you sit on the edge of your seat, this finale did none of the above for me.

That battle was no fluke win, nor was it devoid of strategy. spoiler[Finn stated it up front: Aiz was the big gun and most of the others were clearing a path and setting her up while Lefiya, the Hepaistos lady, and Raoul played back-up. Everyone in that battle knew their roles and they worked together as a team.]

Now, if you're still disappointed with the battle despite that or because you just don't like that style of fight, that's fine. But again, let's at least be accurate in criticisms.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:00 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:

spoiler[There was nothing "accidental" about what Lefiya did. I thought she was quite clearly aiming for the shot that was coming in on Aiz. She's shown elsewhere to actually be pretty savvy with her spell use (when she's resolute enough to actually complete her spells, of course!), and that case was no different.]

That battle was no fluke win, nor was it devoid of strategy. spoiler[Finn stated it up front: Aiz was the big gun and most of the others were clearing a path and setting her up while Lefiya, the Hepaistos lady, and Raoul played back-up. Everyone in that battle knew their roles and they worked together as a team.]

Now, if you're still disappointed with the battle despite that or because you just don't like that style of fight, that's fine. But again, let's at least be accurate in criticisms.

Sorry for lack of spoiler tags, was careless and stupid of me, will be careful from now on.
Also sorry for obviously calling Lefiya for Aiz and being confusing in general =P

Spoilerspoiler[Actually as far as Lefia is concerned and her shot, I don't agree with you. Actually if you go back and look at the part where Lefiya shoots, she does it before the monster has shoot or before it had even opened it mouth to reveal that it was even about to cast a spell. It is impossible for Lefiya to aim her magic at a projectile she had not seen, she had not even seen that the monster was chanting. She were looking a the monsters head and shot, clearly aiming at the beast, but by a fluke it missed the monster and hit the projectile that was going to hit Aiz. I double checked it. I guess you could argue that she prediced the move that no one else on the veteran team could but really, that is very farfetched and really doesn't fit her character at all.

As above argued for, it was a fluke win. With the team and the strategy I agree to an extent. Sure they had a strategy, but a very basic and very uninteresting one. The tank tanks, the supports support, the strongest high level dps and finish it off while everyone inbetween distracts it. That does not count as in interesting strategy, not cool and not interesting. Finn was cool and he showed skill but its just a small part of the finale.]

Just my opinion, I enjoyed the series and parts of the final fight too but I did not enjoy it for the fight in itself. I try to be accurate in critizism, either way thanks for discussing it with me and telling me your side of it. We all see different things, doesn't mean there's a right and a wrong. Good in some way and bad in others, we probably value different things
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:14 am Reply with quote
This article was pretty accurate with my on feeling and opinions on this show. What frustrates me is that they rush the series and then end on a to be continued note anyways. If it was going to end that way they should have slowed it down and made what they did include better. The action especially in this series just got butchered.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:28 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
Anyone who thinks Aiz is emotionless was not paying attention. As I said in the review, it doesn't come through in the anime version as well as it does in the novels (and that's definitely a legitimate complaint, though I think it would have been incredibly hard to pull off well), but her emotions are there.

I am one of those who thought that Aiz in Danmachi S1 has zero personality, but we saw more of her personality and emotions in Sword Oratoria. I imagine that if we get more Danmachi anime Aiz will continue to be developed. She is not my favorite character, but she is not completely empty as a character.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:55 pm Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
Key wrote:
Anyone who thinks Aiz is emotionless was not paying attention. As I said in the review, it doesn't come through in the anime version as well as it does in the novels (and that's definitely a legitimate complaint, though I think it would have been incredibly hard to pull off well), but her emotions are there.

I am one of those who thought that Aiz in Danmachi S1 has zero personality, but we saw more of her personality and emotions in Sword Oratoria. I imagine that if we get more Danmachi anime Aiz will continue to be developed. She is not my favorite character, but she is not completely empty as a character.


If you liked her here despite Lefiya being given more focus then you'd love the source material even more. Shame its incredibly hard to animate Aiz in her best moments
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