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The Mike Toole Show - All About 'I Give My All'


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Agent355



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:32 am Reply with quote
horseradish wrote:
The article is quite long, so I archived the pages. Hope it shows up fine.
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[url=https://web.archive.org/ web/20170919072912/http://articles.latimes.com/1991-08-29/entertainment/ca-1989_1_japanese-animation-video/2]Page 2[/url]

Thank you! Wow, that was a treasure trove of history! First, the article mentions the Simpsons and that NBC and ABC were planning adult primetime animation in its wake, and I'm wracking my head thinking of what early-90's primetime cartoon they're talking about. The Critic? Family Dog? Anyone know?
Then it goes on to say that $35 is one third the price for a pirated bootleg import. People used to pay over $100 for just a few episodes of anime on crappy VHS? That's just...wow. No wonder old-school fans complain about people who claim that $100 is too much for a year's subscription to a streaming service.
Lastly, Kevin Seymour correctly predicted that anime would have a place in video stores by 1999. Prophetic!
Its unfortunate that an article mostly promoting the anime ended up causing its release to be scrapped. How did Focus on the Family find out about "Give it My All" in the first place?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:50 am Reply with quote
Agent355 wrote:
horseradish wrote:
The article is quite long, so I archived the pages. Hope it shows up fine.
Page 1
[url=https://web.archive.org/ web/20170919072912/http://articles.latimes.com/1991-08-29/entertainment/ca-1989_1_japanese-animation-video/2]Page 2[/url]

Thank you! Wow, that was a treasure trove of history! First, the article mentions the Simpsons and that NBC and ABC were planning adult primetime animation in its wake, and I'm wracking my head thinking of what early-90's primetime cartoon they're talking about. The Critic? Family Dog? Anyone know?
Then it goes on to say that $35 is one third the price for a pirated bootleg import. People used to pay over $100 for just a few episodes of anime on crappy VHS? That's just...wow. No wonder old-school fans complain about people who claim that $100 is too much for a year's subscription to a streaming service.
Lastly, Kevin Seymour correctly predicted that anime would have a place in video stores by 1999. Prophetic!
Its unfortunate that an article mostly promoting the anime ended up causing its release to be scrapped. How did Focus on the Family find out about "Give it My All" in the first place?

Did they have inside men at CPM or something?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:02 pm Reply with quote
Gotta thank you guys. I had no idea Fecer Of Minerva existed. It's right up my alley. Much appreciated. Love that artstyle.
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Gotta thank you guys. I had no idea Fecer Of Minerva existed. It's right up my alley. Much appreciated. Love that artstyle.

Ok, that was unintentional. LOL Sorry folks, now I have informed more people about Fencer of Minerva's existence, that was probably a bad thing on my part or a good thing depending on the person.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:08 pm Reply with quote
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There was apparently also a Fox News TV segment about I Give My All produced


I suspect that's one of those things fans made up. The LA Times article is dated 1991. The Fox News Channel didn't launch until 1996. The Fox network has never really run national news programming. If it happened, it would've been from a local station's news coverage. Back in 1991, only a handful of Fox affiliates ran news programming. If someone really wants to raid beta libraries (that may or may not exist anymore) you'll have only a small amount of cities to hit up.


Just have to jump in here. The news report was real. It was a local Fox affiliate, and it was exactly what you'd expect: a local news reporter looking for a freak show and taking the usual "Can you believe this nonsense?!" attitude. I used to have a copy of the darned thing that I snagged from the CPM offices, but lost it a long time ago.

The report followed the usual format of someone reporting from a fan event: The anchor talks about "racy cartoons coming from Japan" with an over the shoulder graphic of the girl from Minna Agechau in the throes of passion, a Japanese flag serving as the blanket over her. I think the text on it was "Erotic Import."

The segment then opens with a standup shot of the reporter talking about Anime Expo, and mentioning the new import of sexy cartoons aimed at an older audience. We get a few safe clips of the show, and it ends up with the reporter showing the little paper panties and saying "So, sex scenes of Japanese cartoon characters...with English subtitles. Now, really, would you buy that?" We then get a few inserts of man on the street reactions at the AX92 dealer's room, with one fat dude sort of giggling and saying "Yeah!" and few more people saying they would, including that one dude who looked like George R.R. Martin, only he'd wear a jacket covered with buttons and showed up at practically every convention.

So, this was pretty much a local affiliate doing a story on the con, but it was one more thing that spooked Sony Entertainment and led to them requesting that the license be pulled. I think CPM ended up getting a few titles for practically nothing as compensation, including Dog Soldier.
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Agent355 wrote:

Then it goes on to say that $35 is one third the price for a pirated bootleg import. People used to pay over $100 for just a few episodes of anime on crappy VHS? That's just...wow. No wonder old-school fans complain about people who claim that $100 is too much for a year's subscription to a streaming service.


You need to remember one very important thing: the difference between rental pricing and sell-through pricing. Japan at that time mainly sold tapes at rental pricing, meaning that a VHS tape would cost $80-$100, with the understanding that this was mainly sold to video rental stores, so the cost would be recouped through the rental fees. These weren't "pirated" imports, just imported tapes. Video pirates were the guys who'd buy the laserdiscs or tapes at these prices and then sell copies of them for about $15-$25 apiece in dealer's rooms.

When anime companies started selling tapes over here, the intention was always to sell to consumers, not just rental shops. So, our prices were usually $29.99 for a dubbed copy
and $39.99 for a subtitle. Why the $10 difference? Because they knew the people who wanted a subbed version would pay the snob tax.
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Heh, "Young Jump Comics." I wonder if anyone reading that article back in 1991 would've interpreted that phrase differently than intended. But I read that article to see what Ralph Bakshi had to say about it. It doesn't sound like a complaint to me, just an observation on how Japanese culture is different from American culture and his doubts about its success in the west.

Primus wrote:
LA Times wrote:
Central Park Media hopes to tap into a burgeoning underground network of U.S. high school and college "anime" (pronounced Annie May)


Now that put a smile on my face.


I sometimes spell anime as "Annie May" if I'm feeling playful and see who understands what I'm talking about.

dormcat wrote:
One thing I found it particularly interesting is the hilariously redrawn VHS cover of Gonad the Barbarian: turned out it was the (legal?) Swedish release; its distributor (as the back cover claims) is located at Kristianstad, along with a legit-looking phone number. Without the distinctive spacecraft I would never have guessed it and OME-1 were the same. Strangely enough, there is also an IMDb entry called "Sex Wars" with cast, staff, and even story much about the same, but it turns out to be a pornographic parody of Star Wars. Rolling Eyes Did Gonad the Barbarian simply rip off credits from Sex Wars?

There is also an Italian release (under "Brothers Grime" label) that kept the original anime cover art, with much more skin uncovered compared to the Japanese release. Shocked Yet, its cover also features "Princess Orgasma and Mark Starkiller" just like the Swedish edition. Words can't describe my confusion at this moment (facepalm).


I wouldn't be surprised if they ripped off the credits from something else, but it's also quite possible they actually ARE the same actors, using the same pseudonyms, or that the pseudonyms are shared among different people (kind of like how "Penny Wise" is the go-to name when a Simpsons writer wants to remain anonymous for an episode).

Agent355 wrote:
Am I the only one that always gets L.A. Times paywall page? Can never seem to access their site. If the article isn't that long, can someone cut/paste it here (I ask "can" because I don't know if ANN allows that).


If you've read a lot of articles from them, or someone who's been using your computers has (or some other means that they think you've been reading them), it'll block you from reading more articles. The limit's pretty low, I think 5 per month.

Agent355 wrote:
Thank you! Wow, that was a treasure trove of history! First, the article mentions the Simpsons and that NBC and ABC were planning adult primetime animation in its wake, and I'm wracking my head thinking of what early-90's primetime cartoon they're talking about. The Critic? Family Dog? Anyone know?


For ABC, that's almost certainly Capitol Critters. I don't know what NBC had planned (probably Family Dog, but I'm less sure of that than the others), but CBS had Fish Police in the works during that time too. Both of those shows came from Hanna-Barbera, a company that would play for as many teams as there's money to be had.

Capitol Critters was pretty good but you needed a level of political savvy that was uncommon during that time, even in its target audience. Fish Police was just trash through and through though. All three shows lasted only one season and pretty much kept The Simpsons uncontested through the early 90's, as the failure of all three of these shows convinced the other executives that The Simpsons was lightning in a bottle.

(WB also attempted to put Batman: The Animated Series on primetime during then, but it bombed spectacularly at that timeslot.)

docsane wrote:
When anime companies started selling tapes over here, the intention was always to sell to consumers, not just rental shops. So, our prices were usually $29.99 for a dubbed copy
and $39.99 for a subtitle. Why the $10 difference? Because they knew the people who wanted a subbed version would pay the snob tax.


I thought it was because the sub tapes didn't sell as well as the dub ones but had a more dedicated consumer base, so they sold them at a higher profit margin because that was where it's most profitable. Then again, I guess that would be the same thing you mentioned.
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