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#861208
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By "things", I meant media - the actual books, games, CDs - not merchandise. There are entire series where the only thing that gets translated is a spinoff anime for people familiar with the game, and non-Japanese fans take the anime's lack of popularity to mean that the whole franchise is bad. The issue here is that licensing companies use the popularity of the anime as an indicator of how well other media will do - that they treat anime as primary and other media as secondary - but in this niche in particular, anime are secondary in a way that's unlike other niches. (e.g. the average shonen anime is a direct adaptation of the manga or LNs, so it can be enjoyed by someone who hasn't read the books. These are not like that.) Also, I know how to get things from Japan, but ... a) it's hard to convince people to try a new series if it's only available as an app that's in Japanese (especially if they don't already have a Japanese app-buying account), or as expensive CDs, and I really don't like pirating/ recommending piracy to people in the case of manga and novels (and that's assuming I can find any fan translations to pirate), and b) discovery is an issue. When people aren't talking about a series on sites in English, it's hard to find out about new things, and it's hard to find other people that like them. I've only been able to find ~3 other Pitadol fans on English sites, and there's pretty much only one Tumblr about Yume100, and it only gets <10 notes per post. (Then again, the Japanese guide site that I used seems to have shut down, and now I use the English Wikia for story answers...) |
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relyat08
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Kinda same. I look at them a lot, but I think they are most valuable as a ranking, rather than looking at specific numbers. That's not entirely accurate either, of course, but it's a little better than using some arbitrary marker like "3k sales=profitable", which is super out of date, among other things. Something can sell an estimated 1k and easily make a profit in other areas. People still love to discount the value of strong streaming numbers too. Or just some of those insane deals Amazon and Netflix are brokering.
As others have noted in regards to doujinshi, I've been told by some within the industry that Pixiv popularity is a somewhat useful method of determining popularity as well, depending on the series. It's not going to work necessarily for everything, especially for a series that doesn't sell itself on attractive characters of any kind, but otherwise, it's a fun metric to take into consideration. |
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Jonny Mendes
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Oricon numbers is bad way to know if a particular show or a franchise is popular or not as many before me said.
Recently when i was in Japan to visit a friend that knows allot about anime industry and also to go to Comiket, I ask her what was popular then. Her answer was: "Just look at the doujinshi circles and that way you will know what the most popular anime/manga/games are." Also after that, she took me outside and tell me to take look at the cosplay event. Cosplayers are a very good way to know what is most popular at the time and also what are still popular even today. |
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Wahappen
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Not just the sales.
Fandom- Those fanatic fans/netizens who can't stop tweeting, reblogging 24/7 or buying every mechandise related to their fandom even if that show is already dead. Literally a market booster they make or buy the product. Sometimes they're a cancer to the internet, literally milks twitter and tumblr, kings and queens of social media. Last edited by Wahappen on Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:15 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kadmos1
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Two possible reasons accounting for "Tiger and Bunny" being popular: it was about a reality show of Western-style super heroes and it had numerous popular Japanese brands.[/i]
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maximilianjenus
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yeah, but also, it ahs been said a few times here and there that decreasing the price of anime discs does not increase sales as companies in japan tried that before and it just does not work; the otakus that are interested in collecting the discs dont' care aobut the price difference , and making it cheaper does nto make non otaku get interested; but kemono friends being a realtively childish anime makes you wonder if tthat still holds up for it. |
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Jose Cruz
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I think that it only measures the level of hardcore fan popularity. Which can be quite divorced from general popularity. It's like disk sales: disks costs hundreds of dollars in Japan, which means only the super-hardcore fans will buy it. Hence, why a show like Bakemonogatari which appeals mostly to a relatively small fanbase, is among the top 3 sellers of all time. Although I guess Bakemonogatari might be more mainstream than I though considering it shows up on Amazon.jp advertisements of their streaming services. Of course, things like Your Name also showed up a lot on Pixiv and that movie was obviously tremendously popular both among hardcore fans and the general population. I guess manga sales are the best metric of general popularity of franchises based on manga. For movies it is ticket sales (duth) but for anime series its hard to know. Overall the most popular manga don't get a lot of Pixiv art, like One Piece, Attack on Titan and Kingdom were the top 3 best selling mangas of first half of 2017 and I rarely see pixiv art about those titles. The reason is that pixiv is about attractive characters, mainly female ones, so it measures popularity of franchises with attractive female characters. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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I think the more doujinshi an anime show is, the more popularity it has, more often than not.
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Kyjin
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My marker is how much goods and doujin go for resale in K-Books, Lashinbang, Mandarake, etc. Or how hard it is to get into their respective Animate cafes...
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FukuchiChiisaia
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That's only works for fans from non-CJK. |
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relyat08
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Yeah, I think this is a reasonable way to gauge international popularity, but not so much for those 3 countries. Definitely not Japan. |
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13552 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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I would imagine sometimes an anime studio would expect some of their shows to sell bad on home video. With this, I am talking like an avg. of <500>7500 units/volume. I am curious of a specific anime that fell under this scenario.
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Actar
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Many comments have already pointed out that you really need to have an agreed-upon definition of popularity before you can have a proper conversation on the same level with everyone.
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residentgrigo
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Wait stop, i know that Kemono Friends got a cut following for obvious reasons and the busted CG then brought it an ironic crowd on top but "one of the biggest shows of 2017" can´t be right. I wanna see that one backed up.
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Laethiel
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Tweet from the official Kemono Friends anime account back in April that guidebooks 1-2 had a combined 120,000 copies in print: https://twitter.com/kemo_anime/status/854987808502448128 Also mentioned in this ANN article: animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-06-13/kemono-friends-breathes-new-life-into-japanese-zoos/.117429 The obi on guidebook 3 announced in May a combined 200,000 copies in print: http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/15115 It has also been getting a lot of fan art. |
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