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DmonHiro



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:48 pm Reply with quote
I can't believe they thought this was a good idea to begin with.
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TasteyCookie



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:48 pm Reply with quote
Sounds like people don't want to own up to their Yaoi! Wear it proud!

J/K of course. Filming people without their consent is never good.
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Tomibiki



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:54 pm Reply with quote
Oh man the blow ups, good call from VICE tho.
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Watanabefan



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:03 pm Reply with quote
If they were just looking to film conventions to see what's popular, surely something like NYCC would have made more sense. Aside from the privacy concerns, that seems less niche.

The lawsuits would be hilarious though. "Irene claims Vice damaged her reputation after her employers fired her for wearing a Yuri on Ice shirt on camera."
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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:13 pm Reply with quote
i can think of a few less hilarious and quite serious outcomes of this situation
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TsukasaElkKite



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:15 pm Reply with quote
Good call on cancelling filming there.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:17 pm Reply with quote
Good thing Vice rightfully decided to not film there. While filming fun events is great, respecting people's right to privacy of not being shown on camera is of utmost importance.
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one.night.bkk



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:18 pm Reply with quote
It's an anime convention. I really don't see the issue with filming there, as many other events have been filmed. What's next, are people not going to be allowed to even take pictures at all, since someone might be in them? Are people not going to be able to film anything for personal use? I'm alarmed that so many people are bothered by the filming thing...
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Corfish



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:22 pm Reply with quote
one.night.bkk wrote:
It's an anime convention. I really don't see the issue with filming there, as many other events have been filmed. What's next, are people not going to be allowed to even take pictures at all, since someone might be in them? Are people not going to be able to film anything for personal use? I'm alarmed that so many people are bothered by the filming thing...


The problem is that America very much still has a problem with homosexuality, and yaoi in particular seems to be ina VERY weird place right now socially. People who go to that con have more to worry about than being filmed.
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Primus



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:48 pm Reply with quote
It's about 15 years too late to expect to go to any convention and not have someone potentially take a photo of you. Anyone can go to a convention like this. It's not a private place. If your attendance becoming public is something you'd be embarrassed by, maybe you shouldn't attend in the first place?

I also want to point out that this is VICE. While I wouldn't want my name attached to that company either, they're not going to shame people (the vast majority of which will be women) for being into porn featuring gay men.
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katscradle



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:54 pm Reply with quote
I’ve never felt comfortable attending YaoiCon in the first place. But, I know people who do and like that con, so I’m glad Vice pulled out. The whole timing and organization of this was still terrible though, forcing some people to cancel attending. This PR nightmare is just one more issue for people to rake DMI over the coals with. I hope people still going have a good time this weekend and no more drama.

Though I’m a little surprised since this happened to repeatedly see sentiments not realizing what some of the problems were. Yeah it's a con with thousands of attendees but, those attendees are fairly considerate about privacy. The fear LGBTQ people or, artists that create BL material on the down low because they may also do more mainstream work have about being publicly outed. There can be serious personal, financial, and safety issues. Even straight fans who have more conservative families or employers that are anti-porn/erotica or anti-LGBTQ could experience problems if their hobby was disclosed too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:23 pm Reply with quote
As much as we might wish to commend Vice for seeing sense and cancelling their plans, the act of choosing to avoid doing something thoughtless is not commendatory but merely obligatory. No pats on the back from me.
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Kougeru



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:35 pm Reply with quote
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Another commenter noted that the event's code of conduct on its official website states, "If you would like to take a picture with or of another attendee, always ask first and be respectful of their decision whether it is a yes or no." However, some people feel the staff's decision to allow filming had the potential to violate the code of conduct because they may have been unable to avoid being filmed.


I swear people really need to look up "privacy laws" before going to conventions. Unless the location bans photography outright, they have every right to film you as well. The "code of conduct" also means nothing. Laws trump that. In private locations open to the public (all anime conventions), you have every right to photograph/film anyone/anything unless the OWNER OF THE LOCATION (Not the Convention staff) says otherwise. Honestly, people have no right to even complain. I'm sure I'll get trashed on for stating this fact, but that's the law in the US. Photography/filming at anime conventions requires no permission.

In short, if you go to ANY anime convention, you need to ASSUME that you are going to be on camera. I understand the whole thing about people that haven't come out not wanting to be exposed by photos/film here, but again, when you go out in public like this, you have to assume you'll be on camera.
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Peebs



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:52 pm Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
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Another commenter noted that the event's code of conduct on its official website states, "If you would like to take a picture with or of another attendee, always ask first and be respectful of their decision whether it is a yes or no." However, some people feel the staff's decision to allow filming had the potential to violate the code of conduct because they may have been unable to avoid being filmed.


I swear people really need to look up "privacy laws" before going to conventions. Unless the location bans photography outright, they have every right to film you as well. The "code of conduct" also means nothing. Laws trump that. In private locations open to the public (all anime conventions), you have every right to photograph/film anyone/anything unless the OWNER OF THE LOCATION (Not the Convention staff) says otherwise. Honestly, people have no right to even complain. I'm sure I'll get trashed on for stating this fact, but that's the law in the US. Photography/filming at anime conventions requires no permission.

In short, if you go to ANY anime convention, you need to ASSUME that you are going to be on camera. I understand the whole thing about people that haven't come out not wanting to be exposed by photos/film here, but again, when you go out in public like this, you have to assume you'll be on camera.


And you do realize that there are statutes in all the states in regards to taking pictures/video/live video feeds against the subject's wishes? Here in Illinois it is illegal to take my picture and/or a video of me unless I approve it. The exceptions to that are police officers, correctional centers, or a media crew with authorized access to a locker room and only for interviews. I know Yaoi Con is in California, but as progressive as they are, their laws may be different or more comprehensive than in Illinois. I have stopped people where I work from taking pictures because other patrons have not given their consent to those pictures. I also have not given consent to have my picture taken. We post that everywhere we can and they still don't listen.

I read about this kerfuffle on Twitter last night and I had to laugh. I cannot believe DMI was letting Vice record out of the goodness of their hearts. It would seem to me that money was exchanged for access to the convention floor and the attendees. Now they're putting the blame on some stranger who randomly makes decisions for them. The one calling the shots in that office is their publisher and all he sees are dollar signs. With losing Libre, they must be bleeding money like crazy. Hence, the need for those Kickstarter campaigns.

If you're going to Yaoi Con, vaya con dios.
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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:10 pm Reply with quote
The law really doesn't matter to this conversation. There's a big difference between "it is possible for someone to take a photo of you here" and "a media crew is outing you in a documentary". It's not about what's legal to do, it's about what's decent to do.
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