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NEWS: 30% of Adult Manga involve

Beyond the moral issue (which, imo, I think is valid), my initial question is this...

is this a made up statistic?

One third? (rounding from 33.33...%) is lolicon? I find that hard to believe, but that aside, what is the true representation?

Also, if 1/3 is correct, what's surprising? We are talking porn. We are talking about a baseless non-moral, non-valued, non-principled industry.

OH LAWD, somebody save the poor (imaginary, drawn, fake) children!

Ah, good (or not good) to know that Japan wastes money on stuff just like the US does. Let's see if they try for an escalator to nowhere!

Anyway, I don't get it and never will. What's so bad about FAKE child porn? Why are morals involved at all here? Nobody wants to see the kids be hurt, but there aren't actual kids involved at all. Is it really about protecting children anymore, or just about keeping this stuff out of pedos hands just to spite them? Because when people are talking about banning pornographic DRAWINGS, they seem to care more about hurting someone for deviant behavior than they do protecting kids. Gotta say it like I mean it.

It's also helpful to remember that pedophiles are people too, with real emotions, and they don't necessarily want to hurt kids. I figure that there are plenty of them who love kids too much to do something like that to them. There are more of them than people know, and in varying degrees of severity, and the number of pedos who haven't molested a child greatly outweigh the number that have, I guarantee it.

Well, that, and most child molesters aren't even pedophiles.

Anyway, if you don't want to look at the pornographic drawings, then don't. That's what I do (I actually don't look at ANY porn, imagine that).

Last edited by Crackhead on Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:06 am; edited 1 time in total

I'd have to agree, this is a huge waste of money. The amount of money spent like this is almost ridiculas, you could build an entire economy from the money that's wasted on research like this.

"Lolicon" I assume is the technical term. I think from a moral point of view it's concidered evil if one enjoys forming a thought around something evil the same way one might actualy commit that evil against someone else.

Specificly?

"I do so swear that a person is totaly in regards to his own actions and he has no mental instability which would cause him stress or the otherwise insain actions that might make him unconciously commit an evil act so that we, the people, may hold him responsible and see him punished for committing any crimes or rather we, the people, having total or majority agreement to his guilt, be able to punish him on the grounds for having committed a crime based on the verdict that enjoying such an action must thereby make him a mythological demon from which years of evolution have suddenly formed as and so thereby be guilty from the ground up."

In english? It means that a very insain part of our society wants to torture people from the ground up and money is no obstacle as our current court system is proof of.

People can't nessesarily be held responsible at all times for things that they're fascinated by i.e. destruction, beauty, "Sex", ect. If someone could directly define the nature of man in relation to sex and why one might find himself aroused at things that would otherwise be impossible if not immoral for or to mating with, then people wouldn't need porn they'd be contempt and completely unfascinated by it.

In the end porn excists and it's probably a good thing. Look at what your alternatives are, you can become celebate, you can probably undertake some mild surgery for which you'd have very little reaction to sex and have probably shortenned your lifespan and own happiness by doing so, or you can go out and rape people and animals and things on the spot at anytime you wish to satisfy your own fascination.

In the end my viewpoint is this. You're definitely screwd up in the end for needing something like that, but I wouldn't let someone be hanged for that either. You do with your time whatever you need by your own fascination as long as other people aren't a part of it. If you can find some way to cure yourself of the insainities of billions of years of evolution and thousands of years of violence then please do share...

Otherwise, start writing down your problems and your solutions.

I think mainly discussions like this are probably the most productive in terms of using research like this.

I feel the need to point this out because some people were getting this wrong. It's from manganews.

"According to the report, Police Agency has inspected 100 books out of 9,000 adult comics, and they found that 30 books dealt with sexual intercourse with children and 5 of them were elementary school children or younger.

This kind of books can be bought on the Internet and the age of the customer would not be checked. Also, they can be bought at convenience stores. They are wrapped to prevent the content from being seen, but children do not hesitate to buy them because family or clerks do not notice."

So basicly it wasn't realy a question of ethics or morals rather the fact that children who are underaged were able to purchase the manga..... That does kind've awnser a lot of important questions.....

And of course we can take this back around in a circle. If the creation of child porn alone is the crime, then possession should be legal. After all, ink on paper (regardless of what it represents) doesn't have any feelings, and can't be hurt.

When all is said and done, what detestes me more is the sad pethetic fact that there is any demend for any of this filth by a human being. It makes no difference if the picture is real, or drawn on paper with a pencil, if the final end means that someone is aroused by that picture, the problem isn't the picture, but the person's mental condition that has made that person desire wanting more. Thank God I was not born, or been brainwashed into believeing that this sort of sexual desire is natural and normal. Therefore I have absolutely no interest to ever view such pictures in any version, genre, or type, not even out of curiosity. One, therfore, has to look inside one's self if one is in anyway such desire, whether perhaps something is amiss with one's life and seek advice of a medical professional.

Sorry, folks, but this "survey" is waayyyyyy too vague for anyone to be getting upset about or even debating. Honestly, I'm surprised ANN posted this news story at all, when it's clearly a piece of propaganda tailor-made for some watchdog group or another.

Saying that you can get a rough estimate of how many manga series feature underage sex by looking at 100 of them is like saying you can talk to 100 women and know how many women are prostitutes. It's a ridiculous assertion. Based on that alone, the study has no merit. Second, as the article itself said, the definition of "children" is left ambiguous at best. Plenty of works all over the world, including such American mainstream stuff as That 70s Show and American Pie, depict teenagers having sex as merely a reflection of reality. Nothing indicates that the "30%" being referred to is composed entirely of child pornography or anything so concrete and narrow.

People, you have got to start thinking about the agendas behind such statistics. Clearly with such a shallow research pool, this was a quick-and-dirty survey cooked up by somebody who wanted to have a "shocking statistic" to reinforce a political, moral or ethical position. Hell, there is nothing even mentioned about the methodology involved in the study. They could have had someone walk into the hentai section of a manga shop, grab 100 volumes and flipped through them to see which ones featured girls that looked to be under 18.

The point is, we don't know, and for that reason anyone who launches into a moral outrage is just making themselves look ignorant. It seems that a lot of you have already fallen into that trap, however; or even worse, both sides of the never-ending "lolicon" argument are already using this as a springboard to argue their viewpoint when it may have little or nothing to do with that topic whatsoever.

I know this is probably going to fall on a lot of deaf ears, but please think about it-- no explanation of research methodology, a flawed sampling, and vague definitions make up the core of this "article." It is not worth your breath or your keystrokes. I say this not as someone who has any interest in the lolicon debate but as someone who would like to see people begin to approach the information that is fed to them a little more thoughtfully.

RodimusBen, you deserve a standing ovation. Seriously.

It way too obvious that this 'research' is only trying to pander a certain cause. The fact that only 5 of 100 of 9000 adult titles in circulation is actually lolicon/shotacon. It's obvious trying to make like there's 450 of lolicon/shotacon material. The NPA could've use this money toward making pornographic material harder for underage kids to get or crack down the child porn business that still exist in Japan.

And I knew that this article was going to spark another "loli/shotacon is wrong" debate. First of all, a good majorty of buyers may not be pedophiles, are curious or living a fantasy that they never want to do IRL. And I'm tired of people putting down pedophiles like the scum of the Earth and making THEMSELVES some glowing example of high-vaulted morality. Pedophiles are most likely were sexually abused themselves as a child, and continues that cycle. Granted I won't bring a child nearby one, not because he's a sick monster but he's a person who's struggling with demons and don't need the temptation.

However, I don't give molesters who aren't afflicted with pedophila the same sympathy though.

And this will do wonders for anime's PR.

100 is a ridiculously small sample size, regardless of the statistical accuracy of it. It's even more ridiculous if they only sampled 100 once, and didn't repeat the sampling. And what set did they sample from? Some book store? Do they have a master list of all manga? Is it only recent manga, or did they sample from all manga ever produced? Does this study include doujinshi?

In spite of the above concerns, I don't doubt the number, but I do feel it's meaningless. I.e., it doesn't matter if there's a billion lolicon titles on the market if no one reads them. To determine the impact of that 30%, they need to look at the relative popularity of the titles as well.

Say, for instance, that company A specializes in lolicon and they have 5 titles on the market, which are read by 100 people each. Company B has 5 titles which have no sexual content and are read by 1000 people each. OMG, 50% of that sample is child porn! But wait, only 9% of the people are reading them. It works the other way, too. That 30% could represent more than 30% of the reader base.

Long story short, I think it's good for the government to be aware of the trends in popular media, but studies like these are half-measures which result in meaningless numbers that appear to support the government's position, allowing them to sensationalize the issue and act on a 'problem' that may or may not be there.

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