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BleuVII
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
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| Ero-Sennin wrote: | | [Some idiot being a childish, babbling idiot. -N] |
What a wonderful first post.  I hope we can expect more insightful comments from you in the weeks to come. Welcome to the board.
And what the last person said is true. This is the entertainment INDUSTRY, not the entertainment SERVICE. These artists still have to eat. And if they make a show that is enjoyed by a lot of people, I think they deserve to eat well.
I download fansubs regularly. I watch fansubs regularly. I buy DVD's rarely, because most shows out there aren't worth buying (I stick to renting or borrowing whenever possible). I do wish I could buy more anime, but my budget doesn't allow it. Still, I try to support the shows that I watch regularly in some way or another. This will allow me to watch a great show one time through and still be able to support the industry I love without *hopefully* spending more than I make. I am very excited about this news. |
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Delphina
Joined: 18 May 2006
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:34 am |
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| mufurc wrote: |
But my main beef with English dubs is all that needlessly excessive dialogue. It's as if the writers were convinced that the audience will get bored if no character talks or makes a sound for like one full minute. Pick a show at random and watch the English dub with the subtitles for the Japanese dub and you'll see what I mean. I find this horribly annoying. |
If there's nearly as much talking in the Death Note anime as there is in the Death Note manga, the American dub's going to be insane in its three-tiered struggle to a) match lipflaps, b) sound natural, and c) translate accurately. I don't think there'll be any silent spells whatsoever; not because somebody needs to squeak or scream, but because Light will be locked in solid interternal monologue for 10 minute-periods.
Seriously, I prefer subtitles with everything I watch, and every time I try to imagine what L will sound like dubbed, I want to hurl. But if the "Subtitles go too fast for me to read" camp has any kind of ground, it's on an anime like Death Note. The dub and sub are both going to be nuts, and regardless of how much Japanese you understand or how fast you read, I think it's going to be experienced best on the medium that's easiest to pause and rewind. (And that's digital.)
I'm certainly not wishing for a Renaissance of early 90's anime ideals, but I'm happy there's now going to be a way to show that I support American subtitled anime and not American dubbed. And the DRM scheme for the digital release is likely going to bite and bite hard, but I'm also glad they're exploring digital distribution and practicing in a medium where we might be able to get faster releases, international distribution, and cultural notes someday. For the concepts alone, I think I'd drop $5 or $10 into the first few episodes. But for Death Note in particular, I think I'll just stick with the manga. |
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purple_monkey
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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Location: . . . um, at my computer, duh! it's a real location!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:45 am |
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| The Xenos wrote: | | Ero-Sennin wrote: | | [Some idiot being a childish, babbling idiot. -N] |
Good job. You have made a name for rabid fansub supporters and it is not a good one. |
Now you know why I've so few posts even though I've been here for so long. it's usually not worth getting into a thread once stuff like this starts.
Delphina: The original Japanese voices weren't that great, and to be frank, Death Note is just too unbelievable IMO (I've not read the manga). I lost interest too quickly mainly because Light has no redeeming factors and is thoroughly uninteresting to me (as megalomaniacs go, he's just dull). I'd explain more why, but that'd be spoiling.
I think everyone agrees, it's almost a given that the DVDs would be sub/dub. Really, I don't think anyone here would be so stupid as to release only dub, much less someone with a bottom line and rabid and dumb fans (see above) to worry about. The big question is, how will those downloads go? And what kind of security will the downloads have? Hopefully they won't pull a Sony. |
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Delphina
Joined: 18 May 2006
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:22 am |
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| purple_monkey wrote: | | The Xenos wrote: | | Ero-Sennin wrote: | | [Some idiot being a childish, babbling idiot. -N] |
Good job. You have made a name for rabid fansub supporters and it is not a good one. |
Now you know why I've so few posts even though I've been here for so long. it's usually not worth getting into a thread once stuff like this starts.
Delphina: The original Japanese voices weren't that great, and to be frank, Death Note is just too unbelievable IMO (I've not read the manga). I lost interest too quickly mainly because Light has no redeeming factors and is thoroughly uninteresting to me (as megalomaniacs go, he's just dull). I'd explain more why, but that'd be spoiling.
I think everyone agrees, it's almost a given that the DVDs would be sub/dub. Really, I don't think anyone here would be so stupid as to release only dub, much less someone with a bottom line and rabid and dumb fans (see above) to worry about. The big question is, how will those downloads go? And what kind of security will the downloads have? Hopefully they won't pull a Sony. |
Yeah, I'm in the opposite boat where I've only read the manga and haven't seen the anime. I can see where Light could become really dull to watch, since the most interesting things about him are how he disguises what he does with really dull everyday things, and then what happens when that's challenged by someone as smart as him. I recommend thumbing through the manga and seeing if he becomes more interesting in that presentation of him. If not, maybe Death Note just isn't your cup of tea. -shrug!-
As for the downloads, bigger fish than the anime industry have been struggling with how to make digital releases profitable and not-lame, and the only half not-lame thing Viz could hope to be (assuming they suddenly found wads of cash laying on their front doorstep one day to fund a grand-scale video distribution website, portable viewing hardware, and a really awesome marketing effort) is Apple. Realistically, I'm sure it'll be just as dumb as Sony.
But hey, if nobody ever goes into the pond, nobody learns how to swim in it. So I hope the Death Note downloads sell well and encourage Viz and others that the internet is a workable distribution medium. I also hope they'll find out quickly that DRM-ing would be more trouble than it's worth.
I hope a lot.  |
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I_AM_L
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:49 pm |
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too bad i just bought it off ebay. I think it was bootlegged though...
Edit: Wait...are you guys talking about the anime or the movies? |
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purple_monkey
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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Location: . . . um, at my computer, duh! it's a real location!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:29 pm |
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| Delphina wrote: | | purple_monkey wrote: | | The Xenos wrote: | | Ero-Sennin wrote: | | [Some idiot being a childish, babbling idiot. -N] |
Good job. You have made a name for rabid fansub supporters and it is not a good one. |
Now you know why I've so few posts even though I've been here for so long. it's usually not worth getting into a thread once stuff like this starts.
Delphina: The original Japanese voices weren't that great, and to be frank, Death Note is just too unbelievable IMO (I've not read the manga). I lost interest too quickly mainly because Light has no redeeming factors and is thoroughly uninteresting to me (as megalomaniacs go, he's just dull). I'd explain more why, but that'd be spoiling.
I think everyone agrees, it's almost a given that the DVDs would be sub/dub. Really, I don't think anyone here would be so stupid as to release only dub, much less someone with a bottom line and rabid and dumb fans (see above) to worry about. The big question is, how will those downloads go? And what kind of security will the downloads have? Hopefully they won't pull a Sony. |
Yeah, I'm in the opposite boat where I've only read the manga and haven't seen the anime. I can see where Light could become really dull to watch, since the most interesting things about him are how he disguises what he does with really dull everyday things, and then what happens when that's challenged by someone as smart as him. I recommend thumbing through the manga and seeing if he becomes more interesting in that presentation of him. If not, maybe Death Note just isn't your cup of tea. -shrug!-
As for the downloads, bigger fish than the anime industry have been struggling with how to make digital releases profitable and not-lame, and the only half not-lame thing Viz could hope to be (assuming they suddenly found wads of cash laying on their front doorstep one day to fund a grand-scale video distribution website, portable viewing hardware, and a really awesome marketing effort) is Apple. Realistically, I'm sure it'll be just as dumb as Sony.
But hey, if nobody ever goes into the pond, nobody learns how to swim in it. So I hope the Death Note downloads sell well and encourage Viz and others that the internet is a workable distribution medium. I also hope they'll find out quickly that DRM-ing would be more trouble than it's worth.
I hope a lot. |
I got annoyed at how complicated Light's ideas are and yet how simple it is for him to worm his way out of trouble. For example, a seasoned FBI agent buying this high schooler's BS about the investigation and how he helps out. I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic. I mean, this guy's plans are just too out there for a genius (who should know that things gotta be kept simple) Really, I think my big problem with Light is that without any real background information, he becomes an uncaring megalomanic, willing to kill his family over the Note (based on his comments), and he apparently helps in investigations. A little too far fetched for a series that is supposed to be reasonably grounded in reality (premise nonwithstanding). I think that's why I like Code Geass a bit more. The main guy's like Light, but things go wrong more (in more realistic ways), he's got humanity, and acts like a human, despite his megalomania. Anyways, I'm off topic now too.
I_AM_L: Obviously you aren't the genuis alien monkey guy you're named after. You really gotta check any eBay electronic media very carefully. If you bought an English subtitled DVD, then you got a bootleg. There is no Death Note English movie nor anime out yet. If it's the japanese version, I don't know. |
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ANBUx3
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:52 pm |
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But what about the live action movies? If someone doesn't get that ball rolling soon, I might just buy a bootleg.
And I really don't want to do that. |
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purple_monkey
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:08 pm |
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| ANBUx3 wrote: | But what about the live action movies? If someone doesn't get that ball rolling soon, I might just buy a bootleg.
And I really don't want to do that. |
You could buy the Japanese one you know . . . you know, the legal one . . . |
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The Xenos
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:20 am |
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[quote="Delphina"] | mufurc wrote: | | Seriously, I prefer subtitles with everything I watch, and every time I try to imagine what L will sound like dubbed, I want to hurl. But if the "Subtitles go too fast for me to read" camp has any kind of ground, it's on an anime like Death Note. The dub and sub are both going to be nuts, and regardless of how much Japanese you understand or how fast you read, I think it's going to be experienced best on the medium that's easiest to pause and rewind. (And that's digital.). |
See, I'm looking forward to the L dub. I just hope I won't be disapointed. When you read the manga, don't you 'hear'/imagine the character voices in English?
I haven't seen the movie and don't remember his voice in any trailer. I want to say I didn't watch far enough into the fansubbed anime to hear an ungarbled L voice in the Japanese dub. I forget.
Again, I don't care to watch Deathnote subbed agian. At least not at first. It is nice to have on the DVD. I've already read the dialouge of Death Note with the manga, I don't care to do it again with the anime. I want to hear and understand Light and L and their machinations. |
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Wing_Goddess
Joined: 28 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:21 am |
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| purple_monkey wrote: | | ANBUx3 wrote: | But what about the live action movies? If someone doesn't get that ball rolling soon, I might just buy a bootleg.
And I really don't want to do that. |
You could buy the Japanese one you know . . . you know, the legal one . . . |
but does it have English subtitles though? >_> |
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The Xenos
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:25 am |
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| Wing_Goddess wrote: | | purple_monkey wrote: | | ANBUx3 wrote: | But what about the live action movies? If someone doesn't get that ball rolling soon, I might just buy a bootleg.
And I really don't want to do that. |
You could buy the Japanese one you know . . . you know, the legal one . . . |
but does it have English subtitles though? >_> |
Ok.. buy the legit Japanese region 2 DVD and then find fansubs or subtitles online for it. I think I've seen some. Or rip your own file off the DVD and see if you can find subtitles online.
I thought I saw some somewhere, but I wasn't in a rush to see the live action. I finished the manga and I rahter wanted a break from it. I'm even just buying the US edition and not reading them like I do others I buy after I've read scanlated . |
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NegativeZero
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:33 am |
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This is a real shame. Unless the DVDs are subbed, I'll have to give the series a miss. I import a lot of DVDs (I live in Australia, our anime releases here are inferior in video quality, come out later, and cost more) and I prefer to watch subs, primarily because anime dubs have a general lack of emotion. If digital distribution is the only way to get it in the language I prefer, then I'll definitely not bother.
1) The episodes will be DRMed up tighter than fort knox. If it's not distributed by an existing system, then it will be some scheme they come up with themselves. Regardless, I'll be locked out of using the platform and media player software that I prefer.
2) Almost guaranteed to be locked to US & Canada only. Hell, even most of the popular distribution systems like iTunes don't allow movie downloads outside of North America.
3) Video quality will be awful. One of the main reasons I buy DVDs rather than just hang on to fansubs (aside from wanting to support the studios creating the stuff, albiet indirectly) is that the video quality on most fansubs is not very good. Usually it's been recorded off an MPEG-compressed broadcast, then compressed with another video codec (Xvid or WMV9, usually) as a raw, then recompressed again for the fansub release. DVD has gone through a single compression, and usually from a very high quality master, and is higher resolution than broadcast TV (though this is changing with more anime being broadcast in HD - some of the recent stuff being done in 720p looks incredible).
In order for me to bother with digitally distributed anime, it would need to use as weak DRM as possible, be available to people outside the US, and be at least visually on par with DVD. If the video was high definition I'd even be prepared to suffer through some of the DRM schemes, though it's a moot point if I can't buy it at all. |
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NightOption
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:37 pm |
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| ANBUx3 wrote: | But what about the live action movies? If someone doesn't get that ball rolling soon, I might just buy a bootleg.
And I really don't want to do that. |
 Then...don't do it. |
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championferret
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:58 pm |
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| Soooo....I think a few people were going to ask VIZ for confirmation on whether the DVDs have subs and dubs (I know people are saying it would be stupid for them not too, but I regularly get disappointed by this company and also, confirmation is confirmation)...any word back? |
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purple_monkey
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:29 pm |
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| championferret wrote: | | Soooo....I think a few people were going to ask VIZ for confirmation on whether the DVDs have subs and dubs (I know people are saying it would be stupid for them not too, but I regularly get disappointed by this company and also, confirmation is confirmation)...any word back? |
From an evil-PR standpoint, it would be smart for them to not announce it until later. As long as it's up in the air, people will discuss it, and all that discussion will lead some who weren't interested in the show (or unaware) to get into it. As long as it gets press in the internets, it's all good for Viz. |
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