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bakaShin
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| Storm Princess wrote: |
Sorry but I'm just a little bit confused here...mainly due to the fact that I really can't see the difference between the new one and the one currently implemented other then adding more themes that are bad and made it a little more detailed from this :
| Quote: | A (All Ages) – Appropriate for all ages.
No offensive material.
Y (Youth, ages 10+) – Appropriate for
ages 10 and up. May contain violence.
T (Teen, ages 13+) – Appropriate for
ages 13 and up. May contain violence,
profanity, and semi-nudity.
OT (Older Teen, ages 16+) – Appropriate
for ages 16 and up. May contain violence,
profanity, semi-nudity, and some sexual
themes.
M (Mature, ages 18+) – Appropriate for
ages 18 and up. May contain graphic
violence, nudity, profanity, sex, and
intense sexual themes. |
And explaining more in depth of what actually goes under what rating and adding to the list...there is really no difference like I said. |
I also noticed that the ratings did not really change much, they just define some of their broader terms into more general ones. |
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Ashen Phoenix
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:15 pm |
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| pat_payne wrote: | | It's a technical and legal term. If you can say it in a newspaper ("so-and-so, 58, of Chatsworth, was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of incest and aggrivated sexual assault...") it should be OK in a press release. |
i'd hafta say that's the best explaination i've read. and in my opinion, simply using the word, which is, as you said, purely technical, isn't such a risque thing. i actually found the Le Chevalier D'Eon interview with Steven Foster to be much more on the 'careful who reads this' radar (lol didn't know that guy could curse so much). 
| Pepperidge wrote: | Well, with the new "Y" rating, "Teen" might actually mean something again.
In my opinion, the less shrink-wrapping the better. Those soccer moms aren't nearly as prominent as one might think, and I would really consider it a step back if everything under the sun is being shrink-wrapped out of pure paranoia. |
i agree. with ya there. i mean, yeah i can see the point made for and against over cautiousness with shrink-wrapping anf the like. but the fact that some parents don't look into what their kids are asking them to buy, or they just see some coverart and think, "oh! this looks good" and gets it without checking the summary or rating... well, it's pretty silly to complain about it after the fact, no?  and personally i think that if you're responsible enough, you should check stuff out before running outta the store shielding your eyes. |
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Richard J.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:46 pm |
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I have a question for everyone who keeps talking about soccer moms. Have any of the manga publishers even once claimed that they made an edit BECAUSE of a parent's complaint? Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but the only explanation I've ever read from them was that they were trying to avoid complaints from the bookstores themselves.
Just wondering if the people jumping on the "lets bash the soccer moms" bandwagon are actually directing their annoyance in the right direction. If it's the bookstores giving everyone hell over fanservice or gore or whatever, and not parents, then maybe it would be more constructive to tell the bookstores to stop being a bunch of wimps.
Also, I hope this means Tokyopop is going to stop doing any kind of censoring but I won't hold my breath. |
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TeaChan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:24 pm |
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| This is interesting. I guess this might make it easier for librarians and others who's job it is to choose reading material for kids and teens. Many people in those fields are not familar with manga and the whole graphic novel scene. I must say many are learning but there is still that bias towards comics. |
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mistress_reebi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:29 pm |
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| They didn't really change anything except for explaining more info. I hope they stop censoring because they have warned parents. Besides, the majority of manga fans are 13-25, which are mature enough to deal with partial nudity and violence. I agree with wrapping the rated M books because it's ment for an older audience as long as they don't censor out things. |
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DKong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:34 pm |
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| minakichan wrote: | | I do think shrink-wrap should be extended to OT as well, since OT is almost akin to a rated-R movie (16+, 17+, about the same thing); sure, I'd get to browse quite a bit less in the bookstore, but at least it'd delay the torrents of soccer moms screaming that all manga is pornographic gore. |
This may sound mean, but that kinda is a dumb logic....
You're saying that 16+ should get the shrink just cause it's a year off of R...yet R is just a year off of 18+ and isn't pornographic (and that's usually the only kinda manga that gets shrinkwrapped) OR totally blocked off (just need a person 17+ with you and you're good to go).
Also, for you people who say that tons of people go in and read all the manga, what states do you live in? Up here in northern Ohio, at manga sections, even at popular malls, there's usually 1-2 people, tops, even LOOKING at manga...
Also, I can only think of like 2 stores (out of 5) that I got to that shrink their stuff. I'm pretty sure the Waldenbooks I go to doesn't shrink their stuff.
Overall, though, I think that's a fine rating system. As long as the shrinks only go on the 18+, I'm ok with that. |
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Firousi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:10 pm |
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| Deltakiral wrote: | | Anime World Order wrote: | | On a somewhat unrelated note, I'm actually seeing more and more stores that shrinkwrap ALL of the manga not out of paranoia, but because they're sick and tired of teenagers coming in and just reading the stuff without ever buying anything. |
My local Barnes and Nobles along with Borders also started shrink-wrapping all of their new manga. However it's not like that stops them (Speed readers as I call them) from ripping it open and sitting in front of the shelf (So no one can see the manga) while they read a stack of manga. Also the other thing that bothers me is this, I attempted to buy the new FMA volume (In January) but was unable because of several kids reading that same volume, I almost wanted to ripped it out of their hands and tell them I am actually buying this. |
I haven't seen too many titles shrink-wrapped at my local Borders/Waldenbooks (except for Sensual Phrase which is understandable) so no "rippers" yet but the "squatters" in those section make me want to kick them because I can't get the book I want to BUY because they are blocking the shelves. As for the updated rating systems, I just wonder if they will have any impact on what the public is buying. |
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mistress_reebi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:22 pm |
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| In Canada, we aren't nearly as censor friendly. At the local Chapters, (books store in Canada) the computer to search something is right beside the erotica section. It's been that way for about two years so I'm guessing no one has complained. |
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Jedi General
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm |
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Ah, I like this new rating system, but I agree about the OT stuff. They should be shrink wrapped, but not all of them. Only the ones with nudity should be wrapped I'd say.
EDIT: Or at least some sort of warning. It'd be nice for manga to have rating info, like movies do. I'd hate to see a parent open one or buy an OT manga, not knowing about the content within.
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Lanisatu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:25 pm |
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There's a large Indigo bookstore in a nearby town that tends to be busy. I've gone there, with the intent to buy a few books, and ended up not buying one of the few because not only was someone reading it -- the cover was damaged. I am not going to pay cover price for a damaged book. I suspect that's part of the reason why more stores are shrinkwrapping all manga graphic novels.
(the sales associate who helped me that day did mention another location that shrinkwraps all their manga, but it's too far away for me). |
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mistress_reebi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:27 pm |
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| I don't see shrink wrapping OT stuff because there are books/movies out there that have more sexual/violent content. 18+ for sure because there isn't a limit, but OT isn't that big of a deal if they have a warning label on the cover. |
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Jedi General
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:34 pm |
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| Lanisatu wrote: | | There's a large Indigo bookstore in a nearby town that tends to be busy. I've gone there, with the intent to buy a few books, and ended up not buying one of the few because not only was someone reading it -- the cover was damaged. I am not going to pay cover price for a damaged book. I suspect that's part of the reason why more stores are shrinkwrapping all manga graphic novels. |
Good point. That's a much better reason to wrap everything. Wrap simply for protection, and just put warnings on the M (and possibly some OT titles). I'm always having to hunt through copies of manga trying to find one that hasn't been read or damaged. It's very annoying. |
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sabriyahm
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:10 pm |
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| Jedi General wrote: | | Lanisatu wrote: | | There's a large Indigo bookstore in a nearby town that tends to be busy. I've gone there, with the intent to buy a few books, and ended up not buying one of the few because not only was someone reading it -- the cover was damaged. I am not going to pay cover price for a damaged book. I suspect that's part of the reason why more stores are shrinkwrapping all manga graphic novels. |
Good point. That's a much better reason to wrap everything. Wrap simply for protection, and just put warnings on the M (and possibly some OT titles). I'm always having to hunt through copies of manga trying to find one that hasn't been read or damaged. It's very annoying. |
I see your point but I am not buying any manga I haven't at least flipped through a bit. Shrink wrapping won't keep me from buying series' I am following but it will keep me from buying new series. Remember manga are graphic novels. Sometimes people want to see what the stuff looks like before they buy it. I wouldn't buy manga from a store that shrink wraps all their manga just on general principle.
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sabriyahm
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:12 pm |
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| bakaShin wrote: | | i was sort of astounded by some of the content for the ratings. i think the whole fanservice thing gave me a good laugh. Mild, Moderate and Explicit. Are retailers gonna enforcement this and does this just mean that more manga will be edited and censored to fit the ratings? It seems they should just shrink wrapped and place content advisory label on all covers for T and up to please everyone.. |
I don't see why anything would be edited to fit the ratings. They are rating it after all. I think it's just for informational purposes only. I have not heard of any retailer that refuses to stock Rated M manga. There's no need to edit for the rating. |
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Akukaze
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:50 pm |
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| Richard J. wrote: | I have a question for everyone who keeps talking about soccer moms. Have any of the manga publishers even once claimed that they made an edit BECAUSE of a parent's complaint? Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but the only explanation I've ever read from them was that they were trying to avoid complaints from the bookstores themselves.
Just wondering if the people jumping on the "lets bash the soccer moms" bandwagon are actually directing their annoyance in the right direction. If it's the bookstores giving everyone hell over fanservice or gore or whatever, and not parents, then maybe it would be more constructive to tell the bookstores to stop being a bunch of wimps.
Also, I hope this means Tokyopop is going to stop doing any kind of censoring but I won't hold my breath. |
I remember hearing a story about a mother who bought Berserk for her pre-teen son at Suncoast and rose hell about it, but I don't know if I ever heard it from a reliable source, so it may just be Internet gossip. I'll see if I can find any articles about it anywhere.
Edit: ANN has an article stating that Berserk and some other mature titles were pulled form Suncoast, but I haven't found anything that explicitly states why, so I'm not sure if that's accurate.
Oh, and about reading in bookstores, often times there will be a handful of people in the cafe at the local Borders reading manga, another handful browsing the shelves, and then one or two people just camped right in front reading or flipping through. The managers (I have a friend who works there) say that (in her words) they probably generate more revenue from people eating and drinking in the cafe while they read than if they didn't let anyone read anything. |
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