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Poll: What do you think of Moe?

I think, actually, that people don't look at the '50s with rose-tinted glasses nowadays. (Is that what you meant?) People are very condescending and morally superior towards the '50s all because, yes, America had a white-centric attitude, and yes, we were all afraid of the Communists and gays, and so they laugh at the people of the '50s like they were simple-minded cavemen.

Maybe our media is the cause of all our problems. Or maybe it's something else that's been studied. There could be a cause no one's considered that's the real culprit. The evidence supporting the idea that our entainment industry is to blame has not proven the case yet.

We can't even have a calm debate about the value of a national ID card without people screaming "1984!"

Do you really think people would respond well to aggressive censorship?

I mean, one title that comes to recent memory that idealizes several of these stereotypes is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and another series, Evangelion, is getting some new movies.

I'm still at a disadvantage though without knowing much about Azumanga; I'll see if I can get my hands on something in the near future.

And oftentimes, such a characterization is meant for other purposes, such as to serve as a foil for another character (like how Mikuru is a foil for Haruhi), or as a form of satire. It's especially dangerous to make such an assumption about a comedy show...

From what I remember of it, Mikuru's character is, for all intents and purposes, pretty much useless and largely only serves to exist as to please t3h fapboys with the various amount of outfits that she'll wear. And, sorry to say, I don't buy the "foil" bit about Mikuru for Haruhi at all.

And I will not have that, "loli'" is way more fun to say than "moe" and I almost never mean it in the over sensualized/sexualized term.

Dragonball had a lot less moe/fanservice than Yu Yu Hakusho, which in turn had less moe/fanservice than One Piece.

Exposure to moe won't drive people down that road, but massive exposure might, and with each subsequent introduction to different facets of that road the end result becomes progressively closer.

I'm not arguing that, "watching Haruhi will create pedophiles and murderers", I'm saying that "stereotypes as portrayed in Haruhi, en masse, is a prime conditioning agent for generating apathy toward alternative viewpoints on the subject of female equity", which is the first step toward murder/rape.

I'm not advocating so strong a mode of censorship such as to basically reduce all media to propoganda, but stronger regulations in regard to the limit of content in advertisements.

I wish I had more time at hand to talk about behaviorism, but the employing thereof has empirically been responsible for the promotion of a lot of "bad stuff" in the past ten years and is the primary agent in "corrupting" the youth of today, especially in regard to certain racial slurs.

Education is the only real way out of that pit of depravity, really; that's the whole campaign of the feminist movement, isn't it? To educate people to the plight of women suffering under men for so long and to stimulate feelings of tolerance?

You mean people aren't screaming out "We!", or is that too Communist fer ya? (It is a bit surprising to see that not too many people are familiar with the novel considering that it is arguably the biggest influence on 1984.)

It depends on what type of censorship, for what reasons, who would benefit, and who wouldn't. If, for example, people are throwing a rage about their neko-maido-loli-twincest-whatever getting censored and calling out injustice, then I seriously think that they need to reconsider what they're doing with their life.

Agreed, I don't care if I'm not being politically correct, "Non-sexualized moe anime character typically between the age of three and thirteen!" isn't nearly as fun to chant as "loli loli loli!"

Say, wasn't this thread about moe once upon a time?

Well, remember that Mikuru was originally created in novel form without any indication that it'd ever be animated, and you don't exactly get to see her in various outfits in the novels all that often...

Really though, Mikuru and Yuki are just too different from Haruhi to be a mere coincidence, and I personally think their contrast is an important aspect of Kyon's own character development (I'm thinking of novel 4 right now...it's pretty spoilerific though).

Obsession is a problem regardless of what one is obsessed with. Any obsession can potentially lead to criminal acts.

I guess I just can't see much of a difference. Censorship is censorship in my mind, although I do see your point about advertising.

To be honest, I'd never heard of this novel prior to that Wiki article, so I can't comment much about it. Also, I'm not completely sure what point you're tying to make. (I apologize but I'm not getting it.)

Perhaps but that doesn't change the fact that having legal authority to censor one thing leads to having the authority to censor more things.

It's common knowledge that the US government has grown progressively more powerful and controlling over time. It might do us all some good to try and reverse that trend.

Also, unless real people/children were involved in making it, you can't possibly argue that complete fabrications can be considered subject to censorship without opening the doors to all such creative works being subject to the same censoring.

Dragonball had a lot less moe/fanservice than Yu Yu Hakusho, which in turn had less moe/fanservice than One Piece.