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Lowlife187
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LOL LOL LOL LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Now that's Comedy!
Anime watchers of the world unite! Tell the corporation what you think, There's no need for such a high price.
I'd buy a cheap grainy fansub over a $50 2 episode DVD anyday. |
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Pepperidge
Joined: 13 Sep 2003
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Location: British Columbia
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:52 am |
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I still find the business model used in Japan for anime production ridiculous. Is advertising revenue so unsubstantial in Japan that all money for anime series' needs to be made off of the sale of home videos? Even with all of the merchandise that virtually EVERY series is able to produce, selling overpriced DVDs is the only way a series can turn a profit?
If that's the case, why is it that DVD releases for western produced series' are just treated like an obligation? I mean, there are a lot of animated shows on the air now that won't see a DVD release for years and years, if at all, and many of them (even kids shows) don't even yield as much merchandise as most anime shows do. Hell, they certainly didn't NEED to release Venture Bros. season 1 on DVD. If they did, they wouldn't have waited a year-and-a-half until after the series ended. |
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CrazyCanuck
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:03 pm |
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| Ragebot wrote: | | CrazyCanuck wrote: |
7 minutes!? I was one of the few that was going to buy this series. I don't like the price and was going to do everything I could think of to get a discount, but I was going to buy it. If that run time is accurate though, then they have just lost a sale. |
Just to clarify, the episodes of Galaxy Angel Rune are full length. The first volume will feature one 25-minute episode for $19.99. While subsequent volumes will feature four 25-minute episodes for $49.99.
This doesn't change the fact that the pricing is any less absurd, however. |
It's absurd, but $0.50 per minute is still a heck of a lot better then $1.79 per minute. I am reluctantly willing to consider the former after exploiting all the discounts I can muster. The latter is so around the bend that 'absurd' doesn't even start to describe it. I hate supporting BVE at these prices. Unfortunately I'm an obssesive completist.
The article should get changed though. If the 24 minute run-time is accurate the article is making things seem even worse then they really are. Things are bad, but there's no point in making them worse through disinformation.
Edit: Looking again, I see the 7 minute comment is a direct quote. It shouldn't be changed, but it should be pointed out that it is an error. |
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Volyund
Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:19 pm |
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| DragonsRevenge wrote: | | Plus, as much as anime's popularity has grown here, its merely a drop in the water compared to South America, Canada, and Oh yeah, Japan. It's not, nor will it ever be that popular. |
Well, what does BV plan to do for the South America then?
With the average monthly income being below $500, they are surely not going to pay 1/10 of that per DVD.
| Lowlife187 wrote: | | I'd buy a cheap grainy fansub over a $50 2 episode DVD anyday. |
If you BUY fansubs you are being ripped off. It even says in the fansub credits "not for sale, rent, or e-bay." |
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10円
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:40 pm |
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| tempest wrote: | | Problem is, if they release their R1for less than they release them in Japan, same day and date, Japanese fans will reverse import those DVDs and watch them on Region Free DVD players with the subs off. Bandai Visual would end up losing money in the Japanese market. |
I would think a serious fan or collector who is already used to paying $50 per R2 volume wouldn't bother with some R1 copy just to save a few bucks. I mean, Japan isn't exactly known for having price conscious consumers. In fact it took the better part of a decade of continuous recession before they were willing to warm up to true discounters. In the case of reverse-imported hentai they get the added advantage of having the often uncensored American release instead of the always censored Japanese release, but for BVUSA titles there is no obvious benefit beyond the reduction in price. If they pay for overnight shipping then they'll lose the discount, so they're stuck waiting days for their R1 copy instead of having their R2 copy at the moment it's released. |
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UtenaAnthy
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:01 pm |
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I prefer waiting for a decent priced release like this
5 eps per disc with less on one if the episode number is not divisible by 5
$26-30
dub and removable full subs (songs and signs and whatnot)
2.0 to 5.1 audio
quality picture, well authored.
possible extras involving original staff
than get it now and pay such a ridiculously high price.
I was interested in the Freedom OVA but will not bother at this price.
I'll wait until it's discounted or re-released at a bargain price.
Couldn't we organise a mass boycott or something, "lower the price to X and we'll buy it." Sigh, if only. |
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Keonyn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:05 pm |
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Don't think a boycott would be necessary, I doubt even the most hardcore DVD collectors are going to bother with the series with that kind of pricing.
[edit - There, fixed Iritscen, not sure how I got those words switched]
Last edited by Keonyn on Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:59 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Iritscen
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:32 pm |
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| Keonyn wrote: | | Don't think a boycott would be necessary, I doubt even the most hardcore DVD collectors are going to borrow with the series with that kind of pricing. |
Borrow = bother? Because borrowing the series from a friend sounds like a good idea if you know anyone who was suckered into this purchase. 
I am surprised that Konno admits that Bandai is even thinking of product/pricing parity for the U.S. and Japan. Everyone knows the Japanese are getting hosed on their anime DVDs (if nothing else). This can only drive more people to d/l instead of p/u (pay up), which hurts us buying customers. |
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ZeroRyoko1974
Joined: 09 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:38 pm |
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| Quote: | | eleased across 4 discs at $49.99 each with 4 7-minute episodes |
Wait, did I miss something here? I am not familier with Galaxy Angel Rune, but are the episodes really 7 min long? |
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Deltakiral
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:03 pm |
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| Keonyn wrote: | | Don't think a boycott would be necessary, I doubt even the most hardcore DVD collectors are going to borrow with the series with that kind of pricing. |
I completely agree with you here, I am part of the target audience with these releases. And yet they are all but making so I won't buy there titles, and hell I will wait a 6 months for these titles so that BV isn't afraid of reverse importation. I am willing to wait, I want to these titles. I really want Wing of Rean, Freedom, and I really want Honneamise, and after listening to the audio I am pretty sure that I won't ever own the titles unless they get marked down 75% at some store or part of a rightstuf insane blow out sale. |
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Ryusui
Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:18 pm |
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| I hope the bastards get heckled like this at every single convention until they see some semblance of reason. Nothing like a little public humiliation to stir a company to action. |
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:21 pm |
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Robin: | Quote: | | Best Buy sells videos at a slim profit or even a loss to bring customers in to buy electronics. I have trouble seeing BB make any serious effort to stock a $50, 30-minute, Japanese-only DVD. |
I was able to find Gunbuster and Patlabor there, but they're obviously not 30 minutes...If BV can convince BB that it could help sell more HD-DVD players, they might be able to fit Freedom in to their stores.
Gamen:
| Quote: | | OTOH, land is by comparison cheap in the US, |
You've obvously never tried to rent or own a home in NYC or L.A.
Tempest: | Quote: | | Japanese fans will reverse import those DVDs and watch them on Region Free DVD players with the subs off. |
I'd imagine the reverse importation thing is exaggerated, since I doubt the Japanese fans would want to wait weeks for their show to be shipped there, unless it's only marginally appealing to them.
| Quote: | | American fans won't pay $30 to $40 (after retailer discounts) for the DVDs. |
I think they will, just not on all of them.
| Quote: | | Japanese cost of living is higher than in the USA. Japanese salaries are not. |
Yeah, but their salaries actually keep up with inflation, and aren't worth less than they were 30 years ago. |
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Deltakiral
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:32 pm |
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| GATSU wrote: | I was able to find Gunbuster and Patlabor there, but they're obviously not 30 minutes...If BV can convince BB that it could help sell more HD-DVD players, they might be able to fit Freedom in to their stores.
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I am pretty sure that you'll see most of the BV releases at Best Buy, and I am pretty sure that all the releases are going to be sitting on the shelf just like the Patlabor special editions along with Gunbuster.....and I don't think there going to flying off the shelf anytime soon, more then likely I am just going to wait for that sweet markdown.
P.S. I forgot to add this to my previous post but to all the people (who attended the panel) at Sakura-Con, thank you for asking these questions first and foremost. But most importantly by doing it the right way and not turning into a drunken mob of fans (like the Dodgers have been known to do) and at the same time to Mr. Konno who did take time to answer, I am sure he could of said no comment and then put on the trailers. |
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Asako
Joined: 02 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:07 pm |
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| Deltakiral wrote: | | I am pretty sure that you'll see most of the BV releases at Best Buy, and I am pretty sure that all the releases are going to be sitting on the shelf just like the Patlabor special editions along with Gunbuster.....and I don't think there going to flying off the shelf anytime soon, more then likely I am just going to wait for that sweet markdown. |
Hmm.. odd. At our Best Buy, both the Patlabor and Gunbuster were selling almost as soon as we put it on the shelf. So we never really seem to be able to keep it in stock (as little as we get) |
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Aizen-chan
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:58 pm |
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| britannicamoore wrote: | | Hear me out here, whenever someone says: Oh I watch One Piece fansubbed- then; "if you don't liek the price, content or whatnot then don't buy them. Or its said to buy the japanese dvds. These people are selling you basically the japanese dvds with english packaging/ english subs and yet you won't buy them. |
I'm not saying saying "don't buy the DVDs, just download the fansubs". Chances are most people who want this DVDs have already GOT the fansubs anyway.
And I didn't say anything about buying the Japanese DVDs. The Japanese DVDs are really expensive, and that's because the Japanese are willing to pay that price (for whatever reason).
But here in North America, the average DVD price is not that expensive. Going out and buying overpriced DVDs is just going to say to Bandai - Yes, we are willing to pay that price for so little content.
So don't do it. Wait for it to come at a cheaper price.
| britannicamoore wrote: | | But really my thoughts on this comment: How will they buy them used or discounted if no one buys? |
Look, Bandai has already payed to licence the property, and they probably have already started making the DVDs. If nobody buys the DVDs, do you honestly think they are just going to throw them out? No. They are going to sell any remaining DVDs at a discount, to try to get some of their money back. |
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