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teferi
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 Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:57 am |
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| Ai no Kareshi wrote: | | teferi wrote: | I'd go with Gigantic formula over it-- the animation is better, the mecha designs more interesting, and the G gundam premise (especially with the UN involved  ) is more interesting than the idol school thing. That and as mentioned the animation is done by the people that did Kamichu! so it looks great (altho' some of the lines aroudn the eyes irk me).
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Oh, but the idol school thing is part of the attraction for me. I'm not exactly a mecha junkie, you see. |
Meh. All the same it makes it more bland than anything else.
For some reason tho' it's starting to feel almost Mai-otome-ish.
It's probably the chick in the penguin suit.
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That's what I was afraid of. I've watched anime before that parody others, and I usually end up feeling completely lost. I guess I'll put Hayate at the bottom of my wish list, then.
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They really toned it down compared to the manga; It's still fun if you don't get everything. And it's got Norio Wakamoto as the Narrator. Which is just pure awesome.
And Shana's seiyuu does Nagi (the main character girl). It's kind of freaky watching it (the first scene with her calling a robot an idiot is like shanatan all over again).
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And, wait… you don't happen to be the teferi from Baka Neko Community, do you?  |
Duh? I mean, yes.
What ever happened to it? seemed to have randomly died O_o
| Zilveari wrote: | | Other than that, looks like a subpar season. Thank god I bought FF12 and Ar Tonelico to get me through. |
You know, people say that every season and it's almost never true.
We had Deathnote , Black Lagoon 2, Ayakashi Ayashi, Negima!?, and Code geass (etc.) , but people still called the Fall season mediocre from the start.
Just give up the cliche >.>
| Ari-chan wrote: | | Lucky Star: I am in love with it opening, both the song and animation. |
Until I saw it with subtitles I was actually fine with it. The fact it's mostly about girls trying to be moe with sailor uniforms just makes me die a little inside for having liked it. |
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Ai no Kareshi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:05 am |
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| teferi wrote: | Meh. All the same it makes it more bland than anything else.
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It probably does. I feel like taking a look at it nevertheless. Won't be until after a while, though. Since you're the teferi I know, you should be aware of my bandwidth hassles. 
| teferi wrote: | And Shana's seiyuu does Nagi (the main character girl). It's kind of freaky watching it (the first scene with her calling a robot an idiot is like shanatan all over again).
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Actually, I'm one of the (presumably) few people who has another association with Rie Kugimiya. When I hear her voice, I don't think Shana, I think Kamyu (from Utawareru Mono). Probably because I like Kamyu so much.  |
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Nermal
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: I was made to hit in America
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:25 am |
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| CloverKuroba wrote: | | An anime missing from there is Lovely Complex, which is suprisingly good. It's refreshing to see a tall heroine for a change. |
YES...even though it felt a bit predictable, I really enjoyed watching it. I think I'm just a sucker for those romantic comedies.
But I'm really looking forward to the second season of Emma 
As for the series listed, I did watch a few...I had mixed feelings about Lucky Star at the beginning (I admit the food discussion bored me), but I liked ep 2 a lot better (Taiko no Tetsujin, Kona's karaoke performances, same episode flashbacks...) Plus the opening is so catchy that it haunts my dreams.
I'm really digging Hayate no Gotoku as well...that little censor mascot is classic, and I like the narrator guy/Mechazawa. And I think we need more anime with Santa getting punched 
I watched the 1st ep of Kamichama Karin and I think I'll stop...I don't want to become diabetic.
I wasn't really impressed with Hitohira...I kept on thinking of mugi cha and then I got thirsty and distracted (but whose fault is that....). But I am somewhat curious to find out what this drama research club actually does so I think I'll watch a couple more episodes before completely dismissing it.
Why oh why did I even bother to watch Nagasarete Airantou...woowoo only guy stranded on an island of girls oh no they're all after my manhood but I have feelings for only one girl I think ok maybe 7 hmm boobs comedic mayhem ensues...I feel too old for this.
I must confess that I've only watched the OP of Serei no Moribito err 10+ times...mmm L'Arc.....I will watch the rest of the episode eventually.
I'll have to check out a few of the other series as well...thanks ANN for the new season shakedown; it saves me the trouble of looking them all up myself, giving me more time to actually watch them  |
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leongsh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:03 am |
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It's not useful to assess any anime series after only 1 episode as it has not been given enough time to stretch its legs. Out of the shows mentioned in the preview article, there are a few that have stood out for me after watching a few more episodes.
The standout series is, without a doubt, Seirei no Moribito. Episode 1 may seem mundane to most save for the beautiful visuals but it has been progressing wonderfully over the next 2 episodes with more exposition and great fighting action sequences. The adjective, "great", is not used lightly here. In addition, nothing is wasted in the first 3 episodes. Every bit, including the fights, have been used to move the story, develop the characters, AND provide backstory. If you have given up on just after Episode 1, you're missing out on a series that is highly likely going to be the anime series of the season.
Darker than Black has continued to intrigued. If Episode 1 seems lacking, Episode 2 rectifies all that as we get the background/mechanics of the world being given an airing. Stopping at Episode 1 for this series is a disservice.
Another series that deserves a few more episodes to develop the show is Claymore. The first episode feels a bit generic but Episodes 2 and 3 show us that it has a world setup that gives the series enough scope to explore with its characters. Episode 3 leaves us with a mini cliffhanger.
William Shakespeare's "Romeo & Juliet" may be suffering from overexposure but Gonzo is giving it a decent go in updating it with an anime "bent" with Romeo x Juliet. Some changes in setup but I understand and do like what they are trying to do with it. Again, you need a couple more episodes to appreciate it.
Moonlight Mile though is a bit of a mess - there's some good but there's also a bit meandering and messy story as it is now. Episode 4 is a waste of time in my books as there's really nothing much that it adds to the story. From Episode 6 onwards, Goro's working in space and that's where it seems to get back some focus. Disappointed with the first few episodes. There's a glimmer of hope yet for the series and I'll cling onto that for now.
Heroic Age is developing into a generic mecha action fodder series. Above average visuals and decent plot and story so far. Pushes all the right buttons for the mecha action fan with an organic mecha with super powers, mechanical mechas, large carrie ships, space battles, various slim, pretty and also cute female characters who are mostly wearing tights that give definition to certain anatomical assets for the male fans, and not forgetting there's a slim bishounen character for the female fans. |
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sunflower
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:19 am |
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Thanks for the head's up about Moonlight Mile. It looks fantastic.
But about Saint Beast 2, you said
| Quote: | | After spending twenty minutes listening to everyone in the first episode we learn this: life sure is peaceful here in Heaven. That's it, that's the entire episode in a nutshell. |
Did you watch the same episode I did? I just watched Episode 1 out of curiousity, and saw the exact opposite.
This is a retelling of Lucifer's fall, with the anime seeming to take the side of Lucifer. It portrays heaven as a place where unrest and hatred are growing among the ranks, all because of dividing policies instituted by a vain and egotistical god, here called Zeus.
There are lots of scenes of love between the heroes, but it was clear that the series was going to focus on friendships being torn apart by the war that's to come, so the friendships needed to be established.
I don't think i will be a great series, maybe not even a good one if the previous Saint Beast is anything to go by (it was pretty bad), but the story is something other than what was described in the article. |
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Ramadahl
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:36 am |
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| leongsh wrote: | | It's not useful to assess any anime series after only 1 episode as it has not been given enough time to stretch its legs. |
Nonsense, in some cases the first episode tells you all you ever need to know about a series (thinking of most harems here). Even in the majority of cases where the series does need more time to expand the first episode is still usually a good way to get a feel for the show - series with totally misleading first episodes are few and far between I'm looking at you, Narutaru... |
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angel_lover
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:47 am |
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I picked a half dozen to start watching from the previews, and wasn't all that impressed. Can someone tell me, is Kishin Taisen Gigantic Formula supposed to be a comedy? I got to the bit where the mecha starts moving by itself ("it's not done that before") and didn't know whether I should laugh because it's supposed to be satire, or cry because it's so derivative. Likewise, is Hayate the Combat Butler supposed to be funny? Maybe I need my meds changing, but the first episode didn't even get a smile out of me, let alone a laugh. All I felt was embarassment.
I'm just going to stick with Claymore. So far, it's everything that Blood+ set out to be and failed so miserably in accomplishing. You could spend hours just deconstructing the scene in episode 1 where you see Clare after healing herself from the wound she received from the youma, and the rip in her costume looks like a bleeding vagina. |
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leongsh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:15 am |
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| Ramadahl wrote: | | leongsh wrote: | | It's not useful to assess any anime series after only 1 episode as it has not been given enough time to stretch its legs. |
Nonsense, in some cases the first episode tells you all you ever need to know about a series (thinking of most harems here). |
That's just like reading the first few pages of a book and deciding whether a book is good. It may work for generic fodder like harem anime but for series that hint at a richer world like the shows I mentioned in my post above, e.g. Seirei no Moribito, Darker than Black, and Claymore, it's a disservice.
| Ramadahl wrote: | | Even in the majority of cases where the series does need more time to expand the first episode is still usually a good way to get a feel for the show - series with totally misleading first episodes are few and far between I'm looking at you, Narutaru... |
To each their own method then. I see where this could be headed and will just leave it as we agree to disagree. |
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Ari-chan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:22 pm |
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[quote="teferi"][quote="Ai no Kareshi"] | teferi wrote: |
| Ari-chan wrote: | | Lucky Star: I am in love with it opening, both the song and animation. |
Until I saw it with subtitles I was actually fine with it. The fact it's mostly about girls trying to be moe with sailor uniforms just makes me die a little inside for having liked it. |
Oh, well I haven't seen the lyrics for it yet. It doesn't really matter to me, as I have never cared about whether lyrics were great or not anyway. The voices and beat make me like it, so the lyrics wont bother me. |
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kei-clone
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:44 pm |
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| Zac wrote: | | kei-clone wrote: |
I can understand someone disliking some show of any genre. I can accept objective negative reviews of shows I do like. However, certain reviewers seem to go into a show, knowing it's from a particular genre, and already set out to dislike it. I feel this is inherently biased and not objective.
If one of the reviewers has some beef against a particular genre (in this case it's being referred to as the moe genre), he should not be sent to write an objective review about series' in that genre. What winds up happening is thus, and complaints about other series and the entire genre are made, and the reviews lose focus what's specifically good or bad about a particular anime. |
OK, but you don't know that the guy is biased against the moe anime, you're assuming that because he didn't like Lucky Star - and you did - that means he doesn't "get" moe shows and therefore should not be allowed to give his opinion on them.
I don't understand that. Moe is not a complicated form; the shows have genre traits, which are easily identifiable. What you're telling me is that the only people qualified to review moe shows are the people who are most likely to agree with whatever all the other moe fans like, as though there's a "hive mind" mentality to this and if the critic does not agree with that collective opinion, he or she is "wrong", "biased", or both.
Carl didn't like Lucky Star for the same reasons you did. A good review will show you whether or not you'll like the show, regardless of the reviewer's opinion on it. A few other people pointed out that they figured they would like the show, based on Carl's negative review. That, to me, means the review is a success.
You are, obviously, more than welcome to disagree with the review, and provide your own. We encourage that here; that's one of the reasons this forum even exists. But to act as though Carl's thoughts on the show absolutely have to conform to whatever the agreed-upon moe fan opinion is... that's ridiculous, and presumptuous. If I thought Carl was legitimately biased against moe anime, I wouldn't have let him review any of those shows. But he isn't; he's never given me any reason to think so. And I am likely paying far closer attention to this than you are, given that it's my job to do so. |
A little late, but obviously I got confused for someone else because I never even mentioned Lucky Star.
I'm not saying the reviewer has to be biased towards any genre, or "conform to any opinion". I'm just saying that at the very least they should not be biased against it. From what the review sounded like it certainly seemed like he was but I may be wrong.
One thing is for sure though. I don't see how any reader could figure out they would like a show given a negative review without knowing the reviewer's tastes. A description like "failed jokes" can't really be interpreted in any other way but bad.
The point is the same as my first post, which may not have been read since I seem to be thought of as another poster who has been advocating Lucky Star (I think I know who). The point is that reviews should be made about the show itself, not how bad the genre it belongs to or how "similar" it is to other shows. |
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sabriyahm
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:43 pm |
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| leongsh wrote: | | Ramadahl wrote: | | leongsh wrote: | | It's not useful to assess any anime series after only 1 episode as it has not been given enough time to stretch its legs. |
Nonsense, in some cases the first episode tells you all you ever need to know about a series (thinking of most harems here). |
That's just like reading the first few pages of a book and deciding whether a book is good. It may work for generic fodder like harem anime but for series that hint at a richer world like the shows I mentioned in my post above, e.g. Seirei no Moribito, Darker than Black, and Claymore, it's a disservice. |
I think the entire spring preview shows your wrong. The shows you mentioned got generally positive marks i.e Seirei no Moribito, Darker than Black, and Claymore. Or at least comments like it's too early to tell. And the general harem fodder didn't. So it seems to me one episode is enough considering that having watched more you seem to agree with the initial assesments of those shows. |
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CanSomebodySayMedic
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Location: Jersey City, NJ+The avatar your seeing is from "Trickster - Links To Fantasy"
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:56 pm |
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El Casador: Bee-Train=win. | no "Never Give Up" referances=good. | less talk about internet hackers and "The World"=good enough... | flying bullets all over the place=definite win. | hot chicas=extreme win.
Thats all i have to say... and Lucky Star is 'ight too...
--The FZ |
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rocklobster
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:02 pm |
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| Claymore is an anime too! Now I simply must pick up the rest of the series. |
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brichibi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:08 pm |
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| sunflower wrote: | Did you watch the same episode I did? I just watched Episode 1 out of curiousity, and saw the exact opposite.
This is a retelling of Lucifer's fall, with the anime seeming to take the side of Lucifer. It portrays heaven as a place where unrest and hatred are growing among the ranks, all because of dividing policies instituted by a vain and egotistical god, here called Zeus.
There are lots of scenes of love between the heroes, but it was clear that the series was going to focus on friendships being torn apart by the war that's to come, so the friendships needed to be established.
I don't think i will be a great series, maybe not even a good one if the previous Saint Beast is anything to go by (it was pretty bad), but the story is something other than what was described in the article. |
Oh yeah, I realize that all of that was there, but I guess I was hoping for more of that and less of the, "Here we are chopping wood and eating dinner together," that it showed. This is most likely because when hearing that the second one would focus on everything before the first one (which, I agree, was pretty blah), I was ready to jump right into the good stuff. It kinda felt like the happy friendship stuff could've been shortened a bit to focus on everything else that was going on.
Then again, this was only the first episode, I haven't watched anything after that. I guess I'm worried that it'll be like the first one all over again: the promise of something good when all it was was just... meh. |
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nicomorr
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:10 am |
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Hi ANN,
First thanks ...... it's a lot of work just getting to see the new seasons initial crop - a LOT of work.
My attitude to beginning-of-season reviews is to look for pointers to something I might have missed. I just don't understand people who get outraged by an ANN opinion, there're a number of popular blogs that are much more opinionated (I look at those too). I'm well capable of making up my own mind about a series & even more capable of ignoring other peoples' opinions.
So thanks & keep it up - I'm now taking a look at that darned Combat Butler because of you.
Nico M  |
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