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Roy9076 SubscriberExempt from Grammar rules  Posts: 279 Location: California |
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This isn't that different from what happens in the States. I have a friend who rents with a friend and they share $1500 a month to pay it off, and the room is a hotel size appartment. Then again, it was a hotel before it was an apartment. Anyways, that is something I would of done if I lived over there. $200 for living out in a manga/internet cafe? Hell of a lot cheaper! Plus it has what I want in the first place.  |
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v1cious Posts: 3870 Location: Fresno, TX |
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| what would be the incentive to the owners exactly? it just sounds like loitering to me. Last edited by v1cious on Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Stupidman007 Posts: 393 |
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Living in a cafe isn't $200 a month, rather it's 200$ a week, which results in $800 for a month, which isn't exactly cheap.
You can say that it's loitering, but people are paying money (although a small amount) to do so. From the point of view of the owners, cafes are more or less focused on base costs, with little to none marginal cost. Meaning that the more people that come, the more money they make as long as their customers aren't causing problems. getting paid $15 for someone to spend the night at the cafe results in a profit of probably $14 for the owner. So from a business perspective, there's no reason not to take those people in. |
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| Fronzel Posts: 467 |
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| "Self-responsibility"? This isn't your typical "otaku are pathetic" story. These people are just looking for a place to sleep...is it odd they're choosing something affordable? | ||||
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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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Lydia:
Actually, it's gotten to the point that a former female co-worker once said you can't afford a house in the ghetto. Fanfic:
What good is a college degree, if your future college job gets sold to China and India? The college is just going to saddle you in debt, and the only "skills" you get out of going are note-taking and writing essays.  Related material
people on here really need to be reading, since they could be next. Last edited by GATSU on Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| Jariten ANN News Staff  Posts: 164 Location: Here and there |
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| A little bit more about Japanese Manga/Internet cafes for those of you who are interested:
When I was living in Japan, I used these cafes a few times. Never to stay, of course - they really aren't that comfortable. Typically, you get your own booth with a PC and Playstation in it. Most people usually walk in, grab a bunch of manga and a free drink, and head to their booth. The booths themselves are certainly not for the claustrophobic - there's room for the desk, the computer, and the chair you sit in - and that's it. Honestly, if you have a few hours to kill, these places are great. You can catch up on manga or play on the internet while sipping as much coffee, soda, and soup (ice cream too if you are lucky!) as you want. They aren't all that comfortable though. If you sleep, you do have to sleep upright in a chair. Granted, the chairs are usually comfortable imitation leather chairs, but they aren't a recliner. The food, also, isn't that great - unless you can live off of Cola and corn soup, there's not much in the way of protein or fruit. Still, if you are stuck in an urban area after the trains stop running, the cafe might not be a bad option. A map of a typical net cafe can be found here. (i-Cafe in Akihabara) Other pics from the same cafe: A PC Booth - Shelves of Manga - Drink Bar - Shower Room |
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| Spotlesseden Posts: 383 |
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$1800 a month is not that much, but it should able to get a apartment in most US. cities . Japan does have problem, it has nothing to do with otaku. they just make cost of living too high.
because a college degree still help you make more money. The average guy's annual income: $39,429 If he graduated from college: $54,069 If he has only a high-school diploma: $28,343 source: http://men.msn.com/ |
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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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Spot:
This assumes that anyone of them can find a job which is willing to pay that much for their pieces of paper(or lack thereof). I guarantee that the people who took those surveys knew the right people to get them hired. That's really all that matters nowadays. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves or paid to lie to you or both. |
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| Spotlesseden Posts: 383 |
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| no, when a company hires someone, even if for the same position they will pay you more if you have a Bachelor's degree compare just HS degree.
Some possitions are just not available to those who don't have a Bachelor or master's degree. of course, if you have connections help too. i didn't have any connection with current company that i'm working for right now, they still hired me. i just went to job fair when i was in college and i'm not even from this country(US). DHHS(Department of Health and Human Services) hired me as an intern because i was in college. |
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CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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I graduated High school. Don't make assumptions. My job has squat to do with having a degree. I know lots of co-workers with degrees who can't land a promotion (civil service.) Doesn't change the fact the 2nd largest city in California & the 7th or 8th largest in the US is expensive. They love to gouge us for gas--we're almost always near the top for price per gallon. And we're fricken spread out--I live in the north city area 14 miles from my work & 35 miles from beautiful Downtown San DIego. Unlike Orange County that's all jammed up together, we're still in major sprawl so one pretty much has to drive awhile to get somewhere regularly. And our Mass Transit was, from what I understand, a private company taken over by the city when they felt they finally needed mass transit, so many roads have no route(I'm a mile from the nearest bus stop.) Most routes off the Trolley take an hour or 2 by bus/30 minutes by car. Our electricity & gas are also obscenely high-I've often heard we're also pretty high up per kilowatt/therm, but thanks to our great weather, we don't have $400 utility bills as we did during that lovely deregulation period. If my job weren't here, I'd probably be in San Berdo. Or East County at least. I love it here, we have incredible weather, but they make sure they charge us for our sunshine. Tokyo, as I understand, is at or near the top every year for most expensive place to live. You have a country smaller than many of our states with way more people. Land isn't cheap there. Food products aren't as cheap as in the US. I remember the debate here when California was trying to export far cheaper rice to Japan & they wouldn't have it several years back. It's not like our $1 menu at Mickey D's. |
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| tasogarenootome Posts: 262 |
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| Yeah, move to the city for the (assumed) convenience, leave because of the high prices. It's sad for people who may not have the option to leave.
I stayed in an internet cafe once in Roppongi when I took the wrong train and ended up stranded after they stopped running. I was surprised - I'd never been to an internet cafe anywhere, but it was cool and just as others have said, all the manga and magazines (some even in English, like Newsweek) that you can read, satelite TV, games, and movies. The drink bar was closed to night customers but it only cost me 1700 yen to stay til the trains started again. Not an ideal living situation by far, but for someone who may not have an alternative, I'm sure it would beat living on the street. |
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Neverwhere Posts: 283 Location: Long Beach, CA |
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| I'm just surprised the cafe lets them stay, regardless of whether or not they are paying -- I lived in London for many years, and if I ever missed the train home and tried to spend the night (or at least a few of the more intimidating wee hours) in one of the 24 hour internet cafes I was told to leave.
The problem isn't at all surprising though, considering how ridiculously expensive Tokyo is, no matter how much money you make. I suppose I really shouldn't be planning my next trip there around these cafes though, should I...*grins sheepishly* |
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| MNinja Posts: 2 Location: Japan |
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The problem is not finding an affordable place. The problem is coming up with the key money to move in. It's hard to save up the (literally) thousands of dollars landlords want before you move in when you're living month to month.
Many companies value experience over education. If you graduate from college with no experience in your field and expect to find a high paying job, you'll be very disappointed. A Bachelor's degree doesn't guarantee a job. |
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LydiaDianne Posts: 5085 Location: I may be a schizophrenic but at least I have each other. |
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Not everybody has the money or ability to go to college or university. So what about the poor working class stiff who wants to live somewhere nice with his/her family but can't afford to? Having a BS Degree is not going to help them. One of my young cousins has enough brains to maybe fill a 1-cup measuring cup but the little snot is a wiz at mechanical things especially engines. Not everybody is meant to go on to higher education. |
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Jamee Posts: 79 Location: North Carolina |
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| Looking at those pictures Jariten posted makes me soo want to visit a manga cafe. But live there?
My question is what do these people do with all their stuff? If you're homeless you probably don't have much but you still probably have more than could fit in that cubicle. I wonder if these cafes have a limit on the amount of bags you can bring in. |
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