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NEWS: Survey: 80% of Manga/Internet Cafes Have "Residents"


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TheVok



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:21 pm Reply with quote
mydog8u2 wrote:
Why the hell am I paying $280 on rent?


Wait a sec ... Sydney is another of the most expensive cities in the world ... how can you be paying only $280 a month on rent there?!
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:54 pm Reply with quote
naruto fan 09812 wrote:
I think that is kind of extreme to live in a Internet Cafe? If you get a pretty good sum of money from your job. You can find a pretty reasonable priced apartments/house . I think these people is not looking hard to find these kind of places. Cmon,people who work at fast food joints can get a liveable apartments with a little bit of hard work.


People working at fast food places can not get a liveable apartment in San Francisco. A studio (zero room apartment) in the city runs around $1300-2000. I've shared a studio before which really sucks if someone is cooking breakfast a few feet away from you while you are trying to sleep.

When I finally moved out of there I got a decent deal by spending $600 a month to live in the living/dining room of a tiny two bedroom place. I would sleep on a blanket (not enough room for a bed) on the floor in the corner while all of my personal belonging (didn't own much back then was stored in a closet. I will add that I was making 20k at the time and didn't own a car.

Now I happily live in a house (I live in the dining room) with five other guys, although the number has been higher in the past. I believe that this is the situation in much of Japan, and I don't think it's fair or polite to say that we are not looking hard enough or not doing a little hard work since your living situation is a bit different in your town.
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mydog8u2



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:23 am Reply with quote
TheVok wrote:
mydog8u2 wrote:
Why the hell am I paying $280 on rent?


Wait a sec ... Sydney is another of the most expensive cities in the world ... how can you be paying only $280 a month on rent there?!


That's $280 a week, my friend. Don't believe me? Check out the prices at unilodge.com.au

Yeah. It's screwing me over. Sad

Wait, I should add that it's AUS$280, though. What's that in US$ I wonder...
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TheVok



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:50 am Reply with quote
mydog8u2 wrote:
TheVok wrote:
mydog8u2 wrote:
Why the hell am I paying $280 on rent?


Wait a sec ... Sydney is another of the most expensive cities in the world ... how can you be paying only $280 a month on rent there?!


That's $280 a week, my friend. Don't believe me? Check out the prices at unilodge.com.au

Yeah. It's screwing me over. Sad

Wait, I should add that it's AUS$280, though. What's that in US$ I wonder...


Oh! Okay, mea culpa, I thought you meant as a monthly rate.

Here in a northern part of Toronto, my girlfriend and I pay collectively $780 (Canadian, natch) per month, plus utilities (which have been getting horrendously expensive, but our landlady is finally starting to do something about that ....), for a two-bedroom apartment that's the basement of a house.

Definitely a bargain, given the space we have, plus the driveway with room for both of our cars. But it's a renter's market these days, as long-term renters have been buying shiny new condos. It's getting wickedly expensive to buy a place in Toronto, but not so bad to rent one.
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Mushiko



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:49 pm Reply with quote
Neverwhere wrote:
I'm just surprised the cafe lets them stay, regardless of whether or not they are paying -- I lived in London for many years, and if I ever missed the train home and tried to spend the night (or at least a few of the more intimidating wee hours) in one of the 24 hour internet cafes I was told to leave.


Most of the manga cafes nowadays have night packages (for example 3 hours, 6 hours and 8 hours option), which means that they are actively targeting people who wish to spend a night there. The cubicles have reclining chairs - not to full horizontal, but 150 -160 degrees anyway. They cater to people who have missed the last train (been there), or otherwise need to spend the night away from home and can't be bothered to use a business hotel. If there are a few regulars mixed in - well, they pay the same money.

While travelling in Japan, manga cafes were really handy for just stopping over at a city between transports, i.e. waiting for the first morning train/bus, but not really for a good night's sleep (for that, I used hostels). As for popularity, at least one place was full for the night, so I couldn't get in.

To get the news into perspective, here's a recent article from The Japan Times dealing with the same phenomenon. These people are staying at MacDonalds, but the reasons are the same:

Quote: "It takes 400,000 yen to 500,000 yen in 'key money' and deposits to rent an apartment. But these people aren't regular company staff. I suppose in a year they might earn a little over 1 million yen, and there's no way for them to accumulate half that amount."

(In dollars, that makes about 3500-4000 dollars, sans the actual rent.)

In the background of all this is the relatively recent increase in the use of temps and part time workers at Japanese workplaces. They lack the social benefits given to regular workers, and since they do not have a secure income for the years to come, banks are not willing to give them housing loans. As the Japanese society is still mainly geared towards the traditional regular "salariiman", the new "irregular" working class does face some major difficulties.
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StickyToffeePopcorn



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:57 pm Reply with quote
Hey, whatever happened to capsule hotels? Don't they lose a fuckton of business now?
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10円



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:24 pm Reply with quote
Man am I glad I don't live where I have to give away key money just for the "gift" of securing a place to live. I'm also glad I live where taxis don't cost so much that I'd end up stranded if I ever stayed out too late.
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mistress_reebi



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:00 pm Reply with quote
That's horrible. In Canada, most homeless people flee to Victoria (near Seattle, Washington) because it has the warmest weather in the winter. Some people even freeze to death in the winter. If I were the owner I'd definatly let them stay. I might even let them work there if they don't have a job.
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MeggieMay



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:40 pm Reply with quote
mydog8u2 wrote:
TheVok wrote:
mydog8u2 wrote:
Why the hell am I paying $280 on rent?


Wait a sec ... Sydney is another of the most expensive cities in the world ... how can you be paying only $280 a month on rent there?!


That's $280 a week, my friend. Don't believe me? Check out the prices at unilodge.com.au

Yeah. It's screwing me over. Sad

Wait, I should add that it's AUS$280, though. What's that in US$ I wonder...


http://www.xe.com/ucc/

280.00 AUD = 231.380 USD

Or

1.00 AUD = 0.826231 USD
1.00 USD = 1.21054 AUD

Which is not a great exchange rate but I've seen bigger gaps between the AUD to USD in the past (and if you want to get depressed just do this for USD to GBP (which is United Kingdom Pounds) Sad ).
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eloyabun



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:07 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
Still wearing the rose colored glasses?
There are so many at the bottom & even close to the bottom. All it takes is one small thing--like losing one's job-& too many of us would be on the streets.


So, after the 8 year reign of Bush II some Americans are finally opening their eyes.

Global capitalism is a system designed to raise the cost of live, and lower the salaries, a new feudalism. That’s all.
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Abarenbo Shogun



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:57 am Reply with quote
mydog8u2 wrote:


Wait, I should add that it's AUS$280, though. What's that in US$ I wonder...


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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:21 am Reply with quote
I just found this on Yahoo! I think it fits in:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070507/wr_nm/japan_cyberhome_dc
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