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Jabberwock Posts: 92 Location: Currently attending the University of Florida |
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He's not accusing you of being a denier at all. I don't even know where you get that from, he didn't say anything like that. You seem to be trying to discredit his comments against you by making false accusations concerning what he said. It isn't going to fly, your comments were/are (since you still stand by them) ridiculous, and you should realize it. The fact that you are sticking by what you said speaks volumes to how blinded you are by this situation as to cloud your common sense.
Ya, because writing about sex with little boys is completely innocent!
No they don't. They have a right to write about anything within the terms set by the website/company running the website. And, just so ya know, that company has the right to change their terms whenever they want. GET OVER IT. |
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littlegreenwolf Subscriber Posts: 3145 Location: Gainesville, FL *Go Gators!* |
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Dude, question not my sources. Know that I like many other people here have ljs, and since we're connected with anime we're all seeing the the fandom cries for blood first hand. Since I got off work I've been sitting here with nothing better to do than play PrincessMaker2, and look at all the chaos going on with the majority of the livejournal fangirls. Gotta love summer when there's no school, and no new LOST on Wednesday nights anymore. Maybe that's why the fandom of livejournal is so riled up. The no school part I mean, though I suppose the lack of LOST could play a small role. It is for me. Anyway, don't get me wrong, I added myself to that community_counts. Viva la resistance! 
But some people are taking this crap WAY too seriously; apparently they think the intarweb will explode! http://news.livejournal.com/ And as to the pirate song, heh. It probably just hasn't evolved to your friend's page yet. As far as I can tell, this community was the start of it: http://community.livejournal.com/ Just keep searching for the whole "never shall we die" stuff with your lovely little browser search feature in there *it's tricky since there's like... 50 new posts every half hour*. There's lots of icons too popping up with it. Pirates.. ... ughhh. And if you want me to link to each particular freaking post using it because you can't find it... ask me tomorrow. Oh, and they went as far as to put it on wiki, and as EVERYONE KNOWS, if it's on wiki, it's official. http://en.wikipedia.org/ And my source has mainly just been this chick: http://catrinella.livejournal.com/ she has lots of nice links when I want to look in on the chaos some more, plus she isn't exactly screaming bloody murder. Last edited by littlegreenwolf on Thu May 31, 2007 1:09 am; edited 2 times in total |
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chrisb Posts: 271 Location: America |
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| I'm pretty mad that Perverted Justice (a very respectable site that goes after pedo sites) has, since months ago, alerted Livejournal about the illegal communities going on and Livejournal for some reason caved in to one group who has no actual ties to law enforcement but threatened economic protests. Seems LJ was only concerned with deleting perverts when their money was in danger.
One user has stated her journal which discussed her recovery from abuse was listed as an illegal site and she is now distraught while one man's journal (he was on America's Most Wanted for violentally hurting his baby in THAT way) is still up. Apparently Livejournal is not looking at actual entries.
And these resistance groups are not making the innocently accused look all that good, I'm sure a lot of people are looking at everyone who's upset as idiots now. Don't know what angers me more livejournals actions or this post by an idiotic member of innocence_jihad:
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| Madame Posts: 13 |
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| I'm of two minds about the whole thing... On one hand, I kind of want to tell everyone to step back from the mess and realize that it's only the internet. In all likelihood, the communities devoted to discussing the book Lolita, or Lolita fashion will be un-deleted. It's even quite possible that many shota and loli fans will get their journals back in time.
(I don't believe for a minute that people with "Death Note" in their interests are being purposely targeted, especially since at least two communities dedicated to the show are still online.) I am a little worried about this recent trend of companies cracking down on loli and shota materials, however. I will proudly admit that I'm somewhat of a fan of both loli and shota, and I'm simply not happy about this turn of events. While I'm all for shoving child molesters in jail, I want to still be able to walk in a bookstore and pick up a copy of Negima. I can not stress enough the difference between an actual child molester, and a stupid teen who likes their anime characters to look "underage." I have no illusions about loli and shota being a good thing, but the fact remains that I enjoy them, and want to be able to enjoy them in my LiveJournal if I so wish. **Apologies if the last paragraph is unintelligible: it's 1am where I live, and I really should be sound asleep.** |
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| tarrin4ever Posts: 34 |
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| Ah, finally we get some info from the masters of teh intarweb!
http://news.livejournal.com/ Fears alleviated. Shows over, nothing to see. |
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| Kyaa the Catlord Posts: 110 |
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He should have used the "Livejournal: We know drama!" userpic. 
Honestly, this was completely blown out of proportion. Hell, Wikipedia's LiveJournal article notes it. I think I'll fix that. |
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Steroid Posts: 324 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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Fair enough, thought I consider that monstrous. But what of those who don't share that view? If you have no obligation to the loli fan to fight for his right to read loli, what obligation has he to cover up loli to protect your right to read non-loli manga?
Perhaps, but what happens if the same thing happens on Facebook, and MySpace, etc., until the only place left to go is Lolijournal, a hundred-dollar company that has to beg for donations and run ads constantly? And what further happens if, after every major private company declares pedophila verboten, the government decides to step in and codify it in law? Are they a persecuted minority then? And who will then step up to defend a much smaller group fighting against a much more powerful oppressor?
Part of the appeal (not all) of material like this is knowing that it angers the establishment. Why is that appeal no good?
The drama is over, the battle remains. Nothing's over until the "Rape all the children" group gets treated the same as the "let's enjoy knitting" group. |
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| Horitsuba Posts: 35 |
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Eh, I've seen a few of those amongst other sources, but I guess I just don't see that as screaming. Thanks though. Last edited by Horitsuba on Thu May 31, 2007 4:42 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Sorry. ALL the shouta I've ever seen is out the yaoi community meaning it's ALL man/boy or boy/boy. I have never seen older woman/boy shouta titles. Not that I look for shouta. I ordered a bunch of yaoi magazines from Anime Gamers & in among the stuff I very much wanted(Adults) was 2 or 3 seeming shouta titles,. Yes, I know this nails me since it's in my possession as having child porn. It's not what I wanted. Yes, it's 1 story out of 15 per mag, but it's still child pornography. I can damage the books & rip those pages out, or continue to let them sit in their spot in the book & if my house is ever, for any reason, searched, I could be nailed. My only salvation MIGHT be that it is part of a larger collection of stories & the rest of my collection is solidly yaoi, as well as the usual general interest manga & anime. Thus
Only boys need protecting? Other reports also suggested general yaoi was targeted. And personal experience, I know a lot of these fanatics are anti-gay. I went to check out the gay pride parade hand in hand with my husband & the fanatics who'd come to yell at the parade yelled their lovely slurs at us & we were just lookie-loos. A teacher at my daughter's junior high was discovered to be gay thru his MySpace (yeah, maybe sort of stupid) & was pulled off the out-of-state trip. Because everyone knows gays have no self control & want to force themselves on all the innocent straight guys & they're all pedofiles.(Yes, I've heard THAT ugly comment too many times) my FEMALE coworkers joke about not bending over in the local gay community(I'd think they'd be absolutely safe to run naked in the streets there if they wanted to). Again, the image gays are monsters that can't control themselves. One can also raise an eyebrow at the idea WFI may LIKE the idea of guys & underage girls since they didn't target those sites
Fine line. Since the protesters probably aren't reading the stories, yes. Or even if you argue what you argue, they can say the representation is still child porn. It'd be like COnan telling Ran he's Shin'ichi & them entering into a sexual relationship. Even though the show's been running long enough for him to be his original age again, the show hasn't moved past him looking like he's 8 or 10, so Ran would be in trouble. |
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| pat_payne Posts: 168 |
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You see, this is where we diverge, and this is where I believe responsibility comes in. I do not fight for you, because I do not believe in your cause. I do not believe in your cause because I believe that your cause is detrimental to anime fandom as a whole. Cicero wrote, in his On Obligations wrote this:
I do not wish to sacrifice my and others' anime fandom to champion you and your small clique. I do see it as my obligation to stand up and say "no -- this does not belong in fandom, it has the potential to wreck the wider fandom's image in the public, non-otaku eye." You do have a responsibility to the grerater whole to at least keep your loli tendencies out of the light, because I do believe, as I have argued ad nauseam this would touch off a moral panic. We are seein gthat right now on LiveJournal. This group, WFI, started with a noble intention -- catching pedophiles. They, however, have impacted many innocent groups by an overbroad and overzealous dragnet. While their tactics are suspect (and very much so -- I suspect very little rational thought was given to their campaign before they launched it and so they just shotgunned anything that even remotely looked like a target), the fact remains that if the pedo groups had realized their obligation to the rest of the community as a whole to not openely publish material on raping children, the other groups right now would not be impacted.
THAT I find monstrous. That somehow everyone should be completely equal, with no judgments passed on their conduct as if there is no discernable difference between a group of pedophiles and a group of philosophers. Again you want all appetite with no moderating reason. You want anarchy. I refuse to accept that. Again, from Cicero:
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voluptas Posts: 28 Location: Japan |
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| I understand about the shota community being deleted since it is all about depicting little boys in sexual situations. But I find it sad that LJ seems to be jumping the gun and deleting peoples' accounts just because they have yaoi as an interest.
I don't know much about the private company policy verses government policy so I won't make a comment on that, but I do feel a bit astounded that lj would delete customer's accounts (that have yaoi, not shota, as an interest) without checking into the lj first. |
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| pat_payne Posts: 168 |
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Although I am not into Yaoi, I do feel that deleting those who are is overextreme. If it depicts consenting adults, it should be no-harm-no-foul if the TOS allows it and it is not otherwise unprotected by US law (i.e. obscenity as defined by the current court tests, or libel) and if it is in an area that is inaccessible (or accessible with great difficulty) to children. |
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HitokiriShadowSubscriber Posts: 4908 |
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I think the vast majority of shota material is male/male, but straight shota does exist. |
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v1cious Posts: 3871 Location: Fresno, TX |
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| does this have anything to do with why Livejournal is offline today? | ||||||||||||
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| Zac ANN Executive Editor  Posts: 4298 Location: Death Star Cocktail Lounge |
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Hahahahahaha oh Steroid. |
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