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hikaru004
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I like the anime. People are still dying so what's the problem?
So, you didn't get to see the gang rape of a 12 yo female or the stabbing or the R-rated scene involving a 12 yo female (not a manga reader thank goodness). It still was an enjoyable title. Those little deviations didn't take away from the plot at all so far imo.
The characters are sympathetic, They were given the bad end of the deal and their deaths tragic.
The manga is still on-going. If you were not expecting an independent ending, then you were fooling yourself imo.
You may want to skip ep. 10, There is a future manga spoiler in that episode apparently. |
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domino
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:53 pm |
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While I was originally totally open to change (since differences between manga and anime keep the anime fresh), it would really be terrible if he decided to let the children in Bokurano live. The fact that you know every single character in Bokurano is going to die right from the start is the only thing that makes Bokurano interesting and shining out among the other buckets and buckets of "children chosen to pilot a robot" garbage.
I really hope that if he DOES decide to change things, he should at least leave the main part alone. The whole "the one who pilots the robot will die" rule is really the only reason I've been watching.
It's unique and touching the way it was -- to think that they're just going to use the cheap "they come back to life in the end" card cheapens the entire experience (this rule applies to all anime..) . -_- |
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Tyrenol
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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Location: Northern California
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:01 pm |
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Damn, people. Criticizing GONZO too harshly...
What of $unrise (who hire hygiene-challenged otaku-tachi and ruin franchises for the sake of the lowest common denominator)?
What of Gainax (who hates otaku-tachi yet would go bottom-up without them; so they feature hot chicks in skimpy outfits)?
What of the whole society of Japan in general (where pay is low, jobs are scarse, suicide is high, exploitation and victimization is common; and that's just based around the anime industry)?
What the guy behind Bokurano did was a 'business decision." He followed through by calling the original creator. Those eternal children over there won't except that decision like grown folks?
One more reason why I don't call myself a "fan." |
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velocet
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:09 pm |
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I'm interested in how they'll work the non-death angle. Aside from the fact that 2 of the kids have already died in the show so far by the supernatural means the series uses, meaning they've got to come up with a convincing explanation for the rest of them not dying, the deaths themselves are instrumental to some of the characters stories...without having the character die it completely voids Moji's backstory for example, given that he becomes an organ donor to save his friend's life. You kind of need to be dead to donate your heart to someone. I realise it wasn't all noble intentions, but the fact still remains, if Moji doesn't die they'll just be making all kinds of random stuff up...which seems such a shame.
Of course the changed version may well still be enjoyable, and I'll still be watching to find out, but as a fan of the manga I can't help but be disappointed by this decision. I was really looking forward to the animated versions of my favourite characters' stories, and sadly, without having the characters die, they'd lose all the gravity they carry in the manga. I hope they just start from scratch with the characters' backstories, and not try to work in the source material without having the characters die. If they just use completely original material, it has the chance to redeem itself, as opposed to vaguely following the manga but softening things down. That would only serve to frustrate people who liked the manga, and bore people that were looking for a more unique show than your usual 'kids save the planet YAY' fare. If that's what they intend to do, that might explain why Maki's chair wasn't the baby crib, as it was in the manga - perhaps they had always intended on changing some characters' stories completely. Though if he's not even going to kill off the children, I assume that means they won't be destroying other universes and the billions of people living in them either.
I'm not going to write Bokurano off just yet, I want to see what he does with it. |
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DmonHiro
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:49 pm |
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| If they toss the universe thing....they will be HUGE DUMBASSES. When I read that, I dropped my food on the floor(was eating at the time) |
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minakichan
Joined: 12 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:05 pm |
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Wow.
So real life CAN have more drama than anime... |
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:59 pm |
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| I liked Cat Returns, but the Morita's obviously too soft for Bokurano. Just get that Gantz guy to direct in his place. |
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Deltakiral
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:11 pm |
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| GATSU wrote: | | I liked Cat Returns, but the Morita's obviously too soft for Bokurano. Just get that Gantz guy to direct in his place. |
What so we can get more hoodlum being homeless people?  I'm enjoying Bokurano very much and I don't know how much change we're going to see, but I am sure the Bokurano thread will get some more activity. From people either complaining, or people enjoying the new change....wait no one is going to say something good about Gonzo. |
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HitokiriShadow
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:53 pm |
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| Deltakiral wrote: | | You know its not necessarily a bad thing that the story deviates from the manga. There have been a lot of anime that weren't the same as the manga and ended up being very good stories. Although given Gonzo track record on that sort of thing I guess we all have the right to worry a little bit. Here's hoping we don't get another Gantz or Hellsing. |
I'm not against deviating from the source material, but Gonzo, as you said, has a lousy track regard in this regard. And the change he has basically said he's going to make is enough to tell me that I'm better off just skipping this show. His change goes against the whole premise and the draw of the show and will likely involve something I really don't like: reviving dead characters. I don't mind it in some cases where it is done well and a damn good explanation is involved, but when it involves mass resurrections or cheapens the deaths.... I don't like that.
I was hesitant to start Bokurano and ultimately stopped after a few episodes precisely because I have very little faith in Gonzo's ability to adapt manga (or novels) that haven't finished when the animation began. And the director or whoever (the "helmer") not liking the source material they are adapting is usually a really bad sign.
| Tyrenol wrote: | Damn, people. Criticizing GONZO too harshly...
What of $unrise (who hire hygiene-challenged otaku-tachi and ruin franchises for the sake of the lowest common denominator)?
What of Gainax (who hates otaku-tachi yet would go bottom-up without them; so they feature hot chicks in skimpy outfits)?
What of the whole society of Japan in general (where pay is low, jobs are scarse, suicide is high, exploitation and victimization is common; and that's just based around the anime industry)?
What the guy behind Bokurano did was a 'business decision." He followed through by calling the original creator. Those eternal children over there won't except that decision like grown folks?
One more reason why I don't call myself a "fan." |
Yeah, those other companies do stupid shit sometimes so we should be easy on Gonzo. Huh? No, just because others are just as bad or have their own problems doesn't excuse Gonzo and they have a lousy track record in adaptations to begin with. |
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who_is_friend
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:53 pm |
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First things first: So far, he HAS killed the children. Only one has had a different death than the manga, and it happened to be my favourite scene, so I was a little distraught. However, if he brings them back (remember, he said SAVE), I don't know what to think.
I'm sure the secret behind Zearth and the game will remain the same. Maki's storyline may very well be changed though, and I liked her's too.
But dear lord, screw up Komoda's story and there'll be hell to pay. It was a masterpiece.
[EDIT: Added spoiler tags. |
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Panon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:08 pm |
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| GATSU wrote: | | I liked Cat Returns, but the Morita's obviously too soft for Bokurano. Just get that Gantz guy to direct in his place. |
Of course, instead of getting this guy who is treating the concept with respect and subtlety, they should have gotten the director of a terrible piece of exploitation trash.
This whole outrage and Gonzo bashing at the changes is laughable. I haven't read the manga, but I picked it up after hearing about the changes to the Chizu part to see what the huge fuss was about and to see what the anime lost in the conversion. It lost absolutely nothing.
People who just can't live without their rapes and violence can just go back to reading the manga and stay there. I'll keep on watching a show that is very good without thinking of it as terrible just because it's not exactly the same as what it's based on. |
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v1cious
Joined: 31 Dec 2002
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:20 pm |
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hold on a minute... what the hell? the only way this anime will work at all is with the original material. if you don't like it, then leave. i'm glad i switched to the manga.
| HitokiriShadow wrote: | | I really hope the manga gets licensed soon |
please no. after the way Dark Horse treated Narutaru, i don't want to see any more of Kitoh's work licensed over here, unless the company plans to go all the way with it... which is not going to happen. just look at the firestorm that was created by Nymphet. |
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ichido reichan
Joined: 14 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:37 pm |
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Oh my god!! they are changing the anime from the manga.....
well....
THEY ALWAYS HAD!!! the original ghost in the shell manga was quite funny and Mamoru oshii changed it to be all serious...
of you are surprised by this changes from manga to anime then you haven't watch enough anime and read enough manga to appreciate this...
The stories can change every time the producers want to...
GEDO SENKI anyone? |
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HellKorn
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:11 pm |
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I don't have much of an opinion, honestly... I don't really care for Gonzo outside of Gankutsuou and Last Exile, but I have enjoyed their adaption of Bokurano. I haven't read the source material (put it off for a reason I can't recall) so I'm not going to throw fits about them cutting out edgy material...
Really, if the themes stay intact and the anime doesn't shy away from statements that Kitoh tries to make along with him setting down the law for what can and cannot be changed, I don't see much of a reason to piss and moan.
| v1cious wrote: | | please no. after the way Dark Horse treated Narutaru, i don't want to see any more of Kitoh's work licensed over here, unless the company plans to go all the way with it... which is not going to happen. just look at the firestorm that was created by Nymphet. |
Jesus, dude, are you even reading Dark Horse's Berserk, or their recently released MPD Psycho? Really, outside of Viz (who knows that they couldn't target at kids, so they wouldn't edit it as much as Monster and The Drifting Classroom -- they wouldn't), manga companies editing aren't that common. People will also point out CMX's handling of Tenjho Tenge, but beyond that and a couple of other titles, they haven't touched anything else. Tokyopop is incredibly infrequent with it, and I'm not aware of ADV Manga editing anything. And Dark Horse? I've already pointed them out; with only one of Sonada's works (forgot the name), Narutaru, and Shadow... something (crap memory), they've released everything else "unmolested" at some point or another and will most likely never edit a manga again.
The comparison to Nymphet? I haven't been involved in any kind of discussion over that for a few weeks, but comparing the shameless, shallow presentation of that to Bokurano which does actually have some points to make is a real stretch. I know fans of the former might feel outraged at that for some nonsensical reason, but to argue that it has equal "literary merit" or whatever one would care to call it compared to Bokurano is inane. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:13 pm |
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| Patachu wrote: | I think the real lesson to be learned here is that "production blogs" for shows and movies might be one of the most dangerous and dumbassed things to emerge from the Web 2.0 era of entertainment.
Creative personalities have a right to express their artistic vision without interference from gormless fantards. Good God, man, just make the anime and stop worrying about having to answer to the jackasses in the comments section. |
Thank you, I agree completely. The angry, faceless mass of fandom has been given way too much power over the shows they watch, and it seems like it's getting worse and worse in Japan.
Don't like the way a show is going? Get online, tar and feather the show's director in the comments section, and get him fired so they'll bring someone on who won't dare be creative, he'll just walk in lock-step with the screaming, entitled militant fans who just HAVE to have everything done their way.
This is a dangerous road to take because eventually you're going to sap all the creativity out of these things in order to please the eternally pissy fans.
There was an article in the latest Entertainment Weekly wherein they discuss the Sopranos finale and how the show's director never, ever listened to the fans, because it's HIS art, it's HIS show, HIS story. His name is on it. And yet the fans continued to moan as the seasons rolled on and Chase didn't give them exactly what they want, because they lived under the delusion that the show was something they had control of. Ultimately, Chase did exactly what he wanted. Like it or not, it's his art. His creation. Not the result of a committee meeting wherein some anonymous, uneducated stranger's opinion on something he knows nothing about is given any sort of weight.
Let the fans comment, but in no way should their whining change anything. These Japanese directors need to stop communicating so closely with "the fans". |
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