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Neverwhere



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:45 pm Reply with quote
Andrew Cunningham wrote:
I'd go so far as to say Gintama is the antithesis of the typical Jump book.
http://easternstandard.pbwiki.com/Gintama


Hee, I was thinking the same thing. But it sounds so much more impressive coming from you. Wink
It takes the Jump 'style' and turns twists it round into a delicious parody, and bizarre take on the shounen genre. I think Yakitate fans will appreciate how wacky it is, although it certainly isn't as clever (most of the time). Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:48 pm Reply with quote
I have to disagree with the conventional wisdom regarding Gacha Gacha: The Next Revolution. I have also been getting review copies of this series, and I will admit that after the first volume of TNR, I absolutely hated it, but because I had gotten Vol. 2 as well I decided to give it a shot. The plot actually picks up a fair bit, and the book actually makes you care about the characters, which I wasn't expecting. It's not brilliant by any stretch, and as far as harem comedies go it's nowhere near Love Hina or anything, but it went from being a D- to a C series. Anyone who wants to read my thoughts in more detail, feel free to read my review of the first two volumes here.

CatzCradle wrote:
Hmm... The only shoujo sports manga I can think up right now on the spot would be My Heavenly Hockey Club. The female lead isn't interested in the guy at all, spoiler[despite how she's often told he likes her...]


Don't forget Crimson Hero, the volleyball manga running in Shojo Beat. It's pretty decent.
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Patachu
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:05 pm Reply with quote
CatzCradle wrote:
Hmm... The only shoujo sports manga I can think up right now on the spot would be My Heavenly Hockey Club. The female lead isn't interested in the guy at all, spoiler[despite how she's often told he likes her...]


And they never even play an actual game ... Laughing

There's Crimson Hero as well (oops! just menionted above), and Princess Nine (baseball), but again -- they're kind of a rarity, at least when it comes to getting licensed.

Yawara (judo) has a female lead but the series is intended for males.

Andrew Cunningham wrote:
I'd go so far as to say Gintama is the antithesis of the typical Jump book.
http://easternstandard.pbwiki.com/Gintama


Well, that's one way of looking at it. Yes, it does subvert the principles and formulae of Jump, but if you look at the setting and mood -- wacky badass characters get into wacky badass situations and fight all the time -- well, if those aren't characteristic traits of a typical Jump series, I don't know what is.

I think a Yakitate comparison is apt in how the series is "totally shounen" and "anti-shounen" all at once.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:42 pm Reply with quote
Ari-chan wrote:
Lovely Complex sounds great. I've been meaning to check out the anime, but starting with the manga sounds like a better plan.


Wow, I love how I totally didn't realize that LoveCom was Lovely Complex. I was trying to track down the live action movie of that awhile ago, so maybe I'll just stick with the more easily attainable manga, especially since I did like the preview that ran in Shoujo Beat.
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Samurai-with-glasses



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:22 pm Reply with quote
Lovely Complex got a positive review! Huzzah!

Ahem.

I was hooked by the manga when Shoujo Beat gave the first chapter preview some time ago. I don't know...something just clicked and I've been making an active search for Love*Com ever since.

I was surprised when I learned from the anime how fast they spoiler[abandon their initial crush. I was fearing some bogged down He/She-Doesn't-Love-Me angst galore] but apparently the main characters are at least slightly smarter than the average shoujo leads. Razz

It's kind of sad the anime got into she-and-her-angst mode right now though. Poor girl, the lady doth cry too much.

Now that I know the first volume of the manga is out...ah goodbye 10$+taxes.

Yotsuba&! sounds interesting. I've seen it in my school library but never picked it up even though it looks like it's from the same creator as my favorite Azumanga Daioh. Guess I gotta check it out sometime.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:41 am Reply with quote
I think the reasons I like Eyeshield over other sports manga I've read are: 1)The action's more intense, 2)The supporting players get more "screen-time" and 3) Most of the players aren't really physically fit. They just have the potential to be stronger; but in the mean-time, they really have to come up with strategies to compensate for their weaknesses against other teams.
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Avacado Burger



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:50 am Reply with quote
Thank god for more Yotsuba, I thought ADV had completely forgotten about it! I need to get that ASAP as well.

I didn't realize that LoveCom was Lovely Complex either, even after I've been anticipating every episode of the anime ><

GATSU wrote:
3) Most of the players aren't really physically fit. They just have the potential to be stronger; but in the mean-time, they really have to come up with strategies to compensate for their weaknesses against other teams.


I totally agree, and unlike most predictable sports series; they don't predictably win every matchup. There are some seriously good twists and turns in Eyeshield.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:45 pm Reply with quote
I disagree with the Tezuka rant.

Carlos has it backwards. Tezuka products are hard to find because old manga doesn't sell in the U.S. market. Bookstore buyers see what sells and what doesn't, and they pack what sells. And if the bookstores order it, the publishers are willing to reprint as many volumes as the bookstores want. If Tezuka sold to the American manga-buying public, then he would be on every shelf in small, cheap, widely-available volumes.

There have been no lack of attempts to bring Tezuka to America. Even before the more recent stuff were such titles as Adolf and Black Jack. Nothing of his has ever sold well in the U.S. (with the possible exception of the first Astroboy Graphic Novel -- but later volumes of that title too hardly sold at all).

In Japan, Tezuka is widely availabe in small bunko-size books, but that's because the people who grew up on Tezuka stories want to reread them. In America, there is no such nostalgia.

In America, the number of people who want to read Tezuka books is pitifully small. I'm one of them. So frankly, I'm glad he's in the ivory tower, because if he weren't there, he'd be no place at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:48 pm Reply with quote
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Carlos has it backwards. Tezuka products are hard to find because old manga doesn't sell in the U.S. market. Bookstore buyers see what sells and what doesn't, and they pack what sells. And if the bookstores order it, the publishers are willing to reprint as many volumes as the bookstores want. If Tezuka sold to the American manga-buying public, then he would be on every shelf in small, cheap, widely-available volumes.


I agree that the general readership's prejudice against Tezuka's art style is the primary reason for poor sales, but Viz isn't helping matters when they just toss Phoenix out there without promoting it. On the other hand Vertical is doing a great job. I doubt they're selling Naruto numbers (or even Yotsuba&! ones of that matter) but the company has made enough of a profit to continue to publish his more obscure work. I don't think the format is the problem either, because most sensible people would rather pay $15 for 400 pages as opposed to the standard 10 bucks per 200 format. The problem is that most young people are going to be resistant to older things. All things taken into account I think we should be thankful that new Tezuka works are seeing publication at all (btw, I'm looking forward to seeing Apollo's Song reviewed in the future).
Barring the idiocy of Gacha Gacha this was a fine week. LoveCom is one of the better shojo titles I've read recently, and Yotsuba&! is always a blast. Glad to see Eyeshield's retains its charm further into the series (I'm really behind, so this will be some motivation to catch up).
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Pocky_aDDict



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:30 am Reply with quote
Wow... two years later and ADV manga FINALLY has their act together and released Yotsuba& Vol. 4. I thought they'd never get back on their feet. I hope they learned their lesson in not taking too many series at a time.

I still want them to continue the ARIA series (i.e. one of the most greatest slice-of-life series EVAR)...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:15 am Reply with quote
alice: I think you're short-changing the appeal and value of the old-school titles in the market. If their age was really a barrier to sales, then girls who could be as young as 13-15 wouldn't be writing letters to Keiko Takemiya in Shojo Beat. Nor would Bananafish, Astro Boy, or Lone Wolf and Cub have been able to complete their respective runs in the U.S. Hell, there are a lot of titles which were published around the same time many younger manga fans were just born, such as X, Baby & Me, and Ranma, but those do ok. Meanwhile, newer titles like Tough and Revenge of Moufflon got discontinued. So age is not the only factor here.

As for previous releases of Tezuka titles: 1)The market for manga in general was smaller back then, and, as a result, 2) The prices were usually higher than those of other TPBS. In addition, as Kagemusha pointed out, they were usually dumped on the market with little-to-no advertising. The other problem is a lack of synergy. For example, back when Raijin was publishing the City Hunter, FOX released the Jackie Chan movie in the U.S. and ADV put out the anime, for some reason, Raijin refused to take advantage of it, even though it could have led to more sales for all three companies.
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minakichan



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:46 am Reply with quote
Lovely Complex, semi-positive review... *v* One of my favorite shoujo manga of all time, although the anime and live-action movie are a liiiittle scary. It's not one of the best titles out there, but if we could get more shoujo manga heroines who AREN'T just nice and sweet (and more male romantic leads who aren't stoic and necessarily physically attractive, although I'm sure Otani has his fangirls), the world would be a better place.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:54 am Reply with quote
you know... after reading that review, i'm kind of interested in checking out Gintama.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:02 pm Reply with quote
Wasn't it Hawthorne who wrote a tale about a doctor who fed poison to his daughter until she became poison? So the idea's been around awhile. In a way, one could even argue Medusa, whose look could turn one to stone & whose blood was a deadly poison, was just an earlier variation of the idea.
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alice20th



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:38 am Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
alice: I think you're short-changing the appeal and value of the old-school titles in the market. If their age was really a barrier to sales, then girls who could be as young as 13-15 wouldn't be writing letters to Keiko Takemiya in Shojo Beat..


Sure there would be some young fans of old manga...there just wouldn't be many of them. I'm not talking about the reactions of individual fans. There are individual fans of just about everything out there. What matters is whether the title has broad appeal (no pun intended) or not. Older manga, for the most part, seems to not have that broad appeal.

GATSU wrote:
Nor would Bananafish, Astro Boy, or Lone Wolf and Cub have been able to complete their respective runs in the U.S. Hell, there are a lot of titles which were published around the same time many younger manga fans were just born, such as X, Baby & Me, and Ranma, but those do ok. Meanwhile, newer titles like Tough and Revenge of Moufflon got discontinued. So age is not the only factor here.


Absolutely, age is not the only factor. But it does seem to be an important factor. A completed series may mean that it sold well enough to pay for itself, or it could mean that the publisher contracted for the entire series at the beginning. There's a wealth of manga on the U.S. shelves today, so you will, of course, be able to find series that buck the trend, but the trend for older series is that they don't sell well.

GATSU wrote:
As for previous releases of Tezuka titles: 1)The market for manga in general was smaller back then, and, as a result, 2) The prices were usually higher than those of other TPBS.


Right, but they didn't sell well in the market at the time competing with equally smaller, higher priced manga volumes. Inu Yasha sold great. Fushigi Yugi and Ranma sold fairly well. Black Jack hardly sold at all. And Tezuka titles that are priced and sized for the present market (such as the later volumes of Astroboy) also don't sell well.

GATSU wrote:
In addition, as Kagemusha pointed out, they were usually dumped on the market with little-to-no advertising.


That's true of nearly all manga except for the top, most popular titles out there. Nearly every manga on the shelf, and certainly every manga that's B-list or worse, is dumped out in a sink-or-swim fashion. Some manga (such as Viz's old Eagle manga) got great publicity in the form of newspaper articles and nominations for awards, and still they hardly sold any issues.

GATSU wrote:
The other problem is a lack of synergy. For example, back when Raijin was publishing the City Hunter, FOX released the Jackie Chan movie in the U.S. and ADV put out the anime, for some reason, Raijin refused to take advantage of it, even though it could have led to more sales for all three companies.


On the other hand, there was a time when Hamtaro was on the Cartoon Network and out on DVD, there were toys available, and there was several nice-looking, age-appropriate manga out there -- and they were pretty much all cross promoted. And Hamtaro didn't do very well. (I know this isn't and "old" manga, but bear with me for a second.) What it proves is that cross promotion is no silver bullet for success either.

Sometimes what doesn't sell, for whatever reason, just doesn't sell. Any extra money thrown into it will be just money thrown away. Are the Tezuka manga that way? I don't know. The trends that I see seem to support that conclusion, but there's no way to know for sure.
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