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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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Apparently you don't know California's geography well. The LACC, in LA city, is in LA County. Anaheim CC, in the city of Anaheim, is located in Orange County. Long Beach, is in LA County, but another part of it. So this is a pretty big issue that this is happening like it is. Even tempest predicted disaster for what will be happening for next as far as the location is concerned. |
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Past Posts: 1187 Location: The Paradise that is eastern Nebraska |
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| Oops, alright I guess I was wrong about Anaheim. That's weird for some reason I thought that Anaheim was also part of LA County. Oh well shows how much I know since I was like 7 when I lived there (or was it also Orange County, I don't remember). All I know is LA and surrounding areas is a metropolitan behemoth and from the perspective of those of us that live in other parts of the country, talking about different places in LA (county) can be like talking about entirely different cities (in different counties) elsewhere. | ||||||
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CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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| When I enter Long Beach to LA in Mapquest I get 24.9 miles & 30 minutes
When I enter Anaheim to Los Angeles in Mapquest it's 26.6 miles & 32 minutes (must be at 2 am. At traffic time, you're talking an hour or 2) You're confusing suburbs & city sections. We have them here in San Diego--most everyone in the city automatically breaks it up to the suburb they live in since San Diego, like LA, covers a huge land mass. Most will say they live in PB or Clairemont or OB & actually get confused over the fact there is a city in LA called Clairmont since they're used to calling Clairemont Mesa Clairemont. When I told my folks who lived in Orange County I was working in Clairemont, they thought I was driving up to LA every day. The office I work at now is even called the North Park office. I'll assume LA citizens do the same. I know I was out this weekend & overheard a lady telling people she was from Clairmont & the couple looking confused as she explained she meant the LA Clairmont & not our Clairemont. It's 35 miles from where I live in San Diego to downtown San Diego (& our convention center). |
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| shinobi_touya45 Posts: 2 Location: California, USA |
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| Each convention center had its ups and downs. The Anaheim Convention Center is big, near Disneyland so a lot of people know how to get there, and the hotels are convenient to walk to. The downside is that you have quite a walk for food, unless you have a car. This year's choice was the Long Beach Convention Center. The convention center itself is not very big, but had beautiful scenery for photoshoots and gatherings to take their pictures on. What is troublesome, like a lot of people said, was that there was a lot of walking and some of the events were a bit spread out. The Los Angeles Convention Center is big enough to rival Anaheim Convention Center, but commercial wise, it's pretty wide-spread, more walking than the Long Beach area.[/list] | ||||||
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coldspider Posts: 181 |
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| <---- Born,raised,and also a current resident of L.A. So I'd appriciate it if people cool it with all of this anti-L.A. crap,it's kind of getting annoying.
Anyway,I've attended AX both at Anaheim and the LBCC and I certainly don't remember any 'immediate' stuff to do around both convention sites,at least not anything that would count as walking distance.The only major advantage Anaheim and the LBCC has over the LACC are the hotels.There really aren't that much hotels near the LACC,so travelling to and from the convention may be in issue.But I'm sure the people behind AX are already working on the necessasry accommodations for the next convention,and they have around a year's time to figure things out.I mean seriously,people are already freaking out and it hasn't even been a week since AX07 ended. I've also attended the Auto Show at the LACC a couple of times and I can tell you that space at the LACC is massive,so space really shouldn't be an issue next year.Seems to me if the LACC was good enough for 3 day events like E3 for all those years,it should be good enough for AX as well. As far as concerns over an arena/theater area near the convention,then here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/ http://www.nokiatheatrela.com/ It says the Nokia Theater and Nokia Plaza will open in October of '07,so that may be an option for any kind of concerts or gatherings that are scheduled for AX '08. If anything,by if some chance AX plans a long stay at the LACC,the future seems to get brighter and brighter.All the clubs,restaurants,and other stuff are scheduled to open in October of '08 ('Phase 2'),and the new hotels and cinemas are scheduled to open in late '09.('Phase 3') And who knows,if we're lucky maybe they're ahead of schedule and Phase 2 could be completed before July '08. Last edited by coldspider on Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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Frankly, you probably don't want to go. I mean, the only reason I went is because "My name is Mike, and I'm an anime addict." I had a decent time until an not-so-nice-person from the hotel security got on my case and I had him escort me all the way to Ocean Blvd. Monday morning -- but reading a lot of what I read about all the fiascos that went down, it makes me wonder if getting arrested would've been worse. And I'd say I had one of the better cons, it sounds like. |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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The fact is that a 4-day AX 2008 run might be next to impausible unless you have a couple of friends or nearly a thousand dollars. |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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Well, what choice do they really have, save cancelling for 2008 or basically splintering the con (say, only Anime for AX, only J-Rock for a JX, etc.)? This is extremely disappointing news.  [/quote] |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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I would not be shocked if they are trying to force AX to a more reasonable size through attrition. My suggestion for that might be to make a 4-day about $100 -- though they might have to to cover any shuttles or the security mob they're going to need to keep people from getting killed over there. |
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| Ariolander Posts: 48 |
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| Well if AX was any good they would arrange it with the hotels as part of the deal with the convention is to have shuttle busses running. The closest hotels are all more than half a mile away and thats several inner city blocks and the ones nearby aren't even nice.
If AX wants to do LACC they should follow it's bigger counterpart and arrange bus shuttles with the hotels like SDCC does. I mean in san diego they havr 3-4 buss lines that stop at all the various hotels nearby. SPJA wants to tackle a venue like LACC they need to get their act together and arrange proper lodgistics rather than a half-arse job relying on the city and the convention goers to do whatever and hoping for the best. Ohhh yea and the good news for LA is that crime is at a record low for us. ONLY 29,737 acts of violence, of which 481 were homicides last year! Bad news is that the American Lung Association ranks the city as the most polluted city in the country with both short-term particle pollution and year-round particle pollution  |
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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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Umm, yes. The security guards at the hotels certainly were acting like they didn't want us going through their workplaces in the first place, and were probably looking for reasons to throw us out. Anybody who was falling asleep in the lobbies were spared no mercy, and my friend was thrown out of one of the hotels in a less than friendly manner, although he was pretty wasted when it happened, so oh well. |
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Neverwhere Posts: 283 Location: Long Beach, CA |
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No one is slamming LA in general, we're discussing the immediate vicinity around the LACC itself. Which is, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it with rose-tinted, LA-born glasses, is utter crap. Ugly, boring, empty, crap. :/
Space is NOT the issue -- I've been to many events there, and I would certainly never say the venue is too small. It's just not convenient, or attractive, or well laid out, or anything that would make people actually want to stay four days in the area and have a good time.
The choice was to move the dates of the convention to remain in a popular venue, or keep the date the same and change convention centres. They chose the latter. If attendees had problems cosplaying (or even just hanging out) around their hotels or the Long Beach area this year, don't you think it'll be even worse next year? It seems like such a potential recipe for unpleasantness. |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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My experience was that Friday and Saturday went rather well, then they started raiding the rooms on Sunday. Now, and this is the third con I've had this discussion about (though the last two were with the con), if you don't want people sleeping in the convention space, CLOSE THE CON AT A DECENT HOUR. 2 AM, heck, midnight... And if you're the hotel and in that position, PULL THE PLUG ON ALL OVERNIGHT EVENTS AT THE HOTEL. There. Simple. What's going to happen next year at the LACC is that you're going to see people sleeping all over the LACC simply because they can't safely get back to their hotel (shuttles or no), and that's the bottom line. Frankly, AX might be better served by shutting all its events down after about 8-10 PM each night. |
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| starcade Posts: 204 |
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A hideous mistake. I mean, it's so bad that I even posted a poll on the AX forums saying that, given only the two choices, would you rather see AX 08 at the LACC, or NO AX 08 at all? Cancelling AX 08 is winning. (and got my vote too)
They're going to get sued. Someone is going to get jumped, raped, maybe even shot. There was word a couple of people got jumped in Long Beach, and the LACC area is FAR WORSE. I do not envy the first FFX2 Rikku or FFXII Fran who tries her luck getting back to her hotel in costume near, at, or after dark. |
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Parvati-IV Posts: 45 |
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| I'm not going.
I can handle a hike to a hotel - had to do it before, annoying, but the con was fun. I can handle no walkable food - friends and I have brought food, hotpots, etc. I can handle crowded convention center - lots of complaining, but the con mostly makes up for it. I can even handle a boring area - bring stuff to do in the room! I can NOT handle an area where I FEAR FOR MY PERSONAL SAFETY. No exceptions. I mentioned to my mother, who has had business meetings all over the country for years, that they were moving it to the LACC and she told me how she's requested she not have to stay in a downtown LA hotel because it is so creepy. AX, you made a poor, poor decision. |
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