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NEWS: Anime Expo to Move to New Venue for 2008


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SakechanBD
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:56 pm Reply with quote
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Descent: Why is L.A. considered any more dangerous than Virgina Tech or Columbine? I'm sorry for your friend, but my mom got robbed at a certain street, and I still continue to pass by it every once in a while.


Did you really just make this analogy? Really?

You can't compare dangerous cities with high crime rates to anomalous school shootings in the middle of the burbs. Yes, tragedy can strike anywhere, but it's a lot more likely to happen at a consistent, frequent basis in areas with high crime and neighborhoods with poverty.

Seriously, Gatsu.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:25 am Reply with quote
Sakechan:
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You can't compare dangerous cities with high crime rates to anomalous school shootings in the middle of the burbs.


Why not? Because the people behind the school shootings aren't black? Razz

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Yes, tragedy can strike anywhere, but it's a lot more likely to happen at a consistent, frequent basis in areas with high crime and neighborhoods with poverty.


Is it more likely to happen, or just more likely to be over-reported?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:31 am Reply with quote
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Why not? Because the people behind the school shootings aren't black? Razz

Just looking at your post and seeing that you're smiling about that doesn't make me feel any better, about AX next year or you posting that. I'll tell you something, Cho wasn't white.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:45 am Reply with quote
Aside from the obvious precautions of that area...SPJA with their current lack of staff and volunteers directing areas within the LACC?

COMEDY.

This isn't E3 or some Import Car show...this is a 24 hour event, that they're going to have to set an actual closing time for now if they want to avoid any legal issues should any attendee encounter harrassment.

I can only say that for them to even agree to LACC, and to have even considered it as far as last year (there were hints of it for quite a while) on top of the numerous negative reports over the con all throughout the webs... it all sounds like open season for any investor to start up a grand-scale con in SoCal...

All these news and mishaps...I just can't see myself ever going to, covering, nor ever supporting AX at this state.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:53 am Reply with quote
fighter:
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I'll tell you something, Cho wasn't white.


Neither was the store owner who shot Latasha Harlins. But people wouldn't be overreacting if AX was hosted in Koreatown.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:03 am Reply with quote
And it just so happens that every single type of ethnicity in this world will commit some type of crime, and I don't want to go any further than that, because that's where I'm going to stop. The fact of the matter is, is that measures are going to have to be taken to ensure a good and safe AX for next year, and if they don't, I'm not going to be one of those people who gets into something serious and possibly not coming back from AX next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:08 am Reply with quote
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But people wouldn't be overreacting if AX was hosted in Koreatown.


Wow, Gatsu. I know you enjoy causing a little mayhem but I really think you're missing the point simply to cause unrest. :/

LACC is not a venue for a long, overnight convention for people on a budget. It's as simple as that. It wouldn't matter where in LA it was located (although that is a very deciding factor), that wouldn't change what a mistake this choice is for a con like AX. Tempest and others including myself have made this abundantly clear.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:15 am Reply with quote
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LACC is not a venue for a long, overnight convention for people on a budget.


People go there for sports games and concerts....
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:23 am Reply with quote
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Neverwhere:
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LACC is not a venue for a long, overnight convention for people on a budget.


People go there for sports games and concerts....

Yeah, sports and concerts: THE STAPLES CENTER. Since when is a sports thing something that will go all the way through till 5am the next morning? Honestly tell me you've been to a sporting event out in Los Angeles where the event actually went to the next morning? Find any event you know is a late night event not related to AX for me and you will see me at AX next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:33 am Reply with quote
Neverwhere wrote:

No one is slamming LA in general



dst1 wrote:
This is bad news.

LA has poor air quality and higher temperatures. Plus LA traffic… And the fact that it’s LA… LA people…

It’s almost as if SPJA is trying to ruin AX…



That's basically an invite to jump on the good ol' bandwagon.I'm not crying bloody murder,but like I said before,people should really cool it with this bullcrap.


Neverwhere wrote:

Space is NOT the issue -- I've been to many events there, and I would certainly never say the venue is too small.



I *know* it's not the main issue at hand.It's not like my post was centered around how much bigger the LACC is,just pointing it out.


tempest wrote:
coldspider wrote:

I've also attended the Auto Show at the LACC a couple of times and I can tell you that space at the LACC is massive,so space really shouldn't be an issue next year.Seems to me if the LACC was good enough for 3 day events like E3 for all those years,it should be good enough for AX as well.


There's a big difference between car shows, E3 and AX. E3 is a trade show, car shows are consumer expositions, and EX is a consumer convention. With car shows, the consumers go home when it's over, and probably don't come back. With E3, the attendees have expense accounts, and don't mind traveling from their hotel in the morning, going to an expensive restaurant for supper, then the bar, then back to the hotel, all by taxi.

Anime Expo is different in 2 regards. Many of the attendees have very limited budgets and prefer to spend whatever money they have at the convention, not traveling.

The second difference is that AX is a 4-day, 24hr/day event. Attendees are going back and forth between their hotels and AX multiple times a day. Unlike the car show and E3, AX doesn't shut down at a certain hour. Even if AX arranges for constant shuttles between the LACC and the hotels, it will still be a pain in the ass for attendees to have to commute.

Anaheim was a great location for AX, and I think that AX should accept this and just change their weekend so that they can stay at Anaheim. If AX remains stubborn about being on the 4th of July Weekend, AX won't return to Anaheim for 10 years.

-t



Understood.My point is that big events are no stranger to the area,high profile stuff like the X-Games,Auto Show,E3,etc.,to the more low profile conventions that take place annually at the LACC all go off without a hitch for the most part.The onus is on the SPJA to make this work,if things aren't exactly smooth sailing at AX '08,people shouldn't automatically assume,"OMG THE LACC IS HELL ON EARTH".


Descent123 wrote:
I would never, never go to LACC ever again.

Two years ago my friend was killed three blocks away from LACC by a gang member.

Three years ago I was attacked two blocks away from LACC.

Someone at AX haven't been doing their homework about safety.



I also feel sorry for you and your friend but try to understand the area has changed a lot in the last couple of years.A co-worker of mine occasionally bar-hops around the downtown area on the weekends,and he and his friends stroll around at 2 A.M. and see police officers patrol the area in squad cars and on bike.Police presence is probably beefed up whenever there's a big event taking place at the convention center,but it's still not like you have to walk around with a bulletproof vest on.Yes people it's L.A.,arguably the second major city in the U.S.,but I'm pretty sure all of you can handle it.


Here's a couple links that should provide some general info:

Official Site of the LACC


LACC - Where to Stay



LACC - Where to Stay (Downtown)






Anyway,how about some actual *constructive* criticism for a change? I really don't see how all this fear mongering is going to help the situation.Tempest brings up a valid point,it's not really going to be that convenient to travel back and forth from the con to the hotels.Since there's a lot more extra space to work with in the LACC,is it possible to set up some lounge areas that would allow people to just hang out for however long they want? You figure they'd have to go back to the hotels at some point.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:16 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:

jvowles: There are plenty of cheap restaurants in LB, if you look hard enough. Also, if you're bothered by the traffic, you can just take the subway and rail there.

Edit: Oh, and I call bs on your argument that Anaheim is more disabled-friendly than LB, since the AH sidewalks are narrower than those at LB, and there are less elevators, too.


I didn't say there were none. I said
It's got a ton of family-priced restaurants and fast food places (again, within two blocks)
Where were the family restaurants within two blocks? Or indeed, within FIVE blocks? People unfamiliar with an area aren't about to go looking more than a few block away. People with kids aren't about to go hiking a half mile away. I saw NOTHING inexpensive between the Hilton and the Westin along Ocean, or along Pine between the water and the first block or so past Ocean. I wasn't about to walk farther.

In Anaheim my worst hotel was a *motel* four blocks away, and I passed plenty of options along the way.

And you can "call BS" all you like but i personally witnessed two wheelchair-bound folks stranded, with the AX staffer AND the facilities staffer both unable to tell him how to enter the building. "I don't know" is not a good answer. Having hiked those main front stairs seven or eight times myself to avoid the endless line or to go to lunch, it's not even "overweight tired 36-year-old" friendly.

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Descent: Why is L.A. considered any more dangerous than Virgina Tech or Columbine? I'm sorry for your friend, but my mom got robbed at a certain street, and I still continue to pass by it every once in a while.


Because both of those locations made the news for the *unexpected* nature of the crime as well as the viciousness of it. Because violent crime, muggings and casual theft are far more rampant in certain areas of a big city, and the area near the LACC is one of them, and pointing at rare incidents in unexpected places wont' change that.[/i][/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:24 pm Reply with quote
jvowles:
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I didn't say there were none. I said
It's got a ton of family-priced restaurants and fast food places (again, within two blocks)


It's more like two blocks which are about the length of 4-6 blocks.

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Where were the family restaurants within two blocks? Or indeed, within FIVE blocks? People unfamiliar with an area aren't about to go looking more than a few block away.


They're around the hotels.

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I saw NOTHING inexpensive between the Hilton and the Westin along Ocean, or along Pine between the water and the first block or so past Ocean. I wasn't about to walk farther.


I've seen a Hooter's, a Carl's and a Subway. Plus you can take the rail, if you're tired. If you're tired in Anaheim, though, you gotta wait 15-30 minutes for the bus.

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And you can "call BS" all you like but i personally witnessed two wheelchair-bound folks stranded, with the AX staffer AND the facilities staffer both unable to tell him how to enter the building.


They're supposed to be confused. They work for AX! Razz Rolling Eyes But anyway, just because they didn't know doesn't mean that there isn't a way inside the con.

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Because violent crime, muggings and casual theft are far more rampant in certain areas of a big city,


The deaths in the school shootings add up to the same rate of violence.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:28 pm Reply with quote
anybody noticed that there were four murders in Long Beach on Sunday July 2nd? one occurred right on Pine Ave
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I'm glad I left early. I'm not saying the Long Beach convention area isn't safe but the areas surrounding LACC is more closer to the danger. here are crimes that were reported around the LACC area within a 1 mile radius in just the past 3 days: crime report. around july 4th there will be a lot of folks roaming the streets and people do shoot their guns in the air late at night, I'm concern for the safety of the kids and also females who are going to cosplay, they might get preyed upon and targeted. I'm pretty sure I can handle myself but I'm worried about the safety of others.unless AX closes everything at 7pm but that's kind of taking away one of the aspects that makes AX so great.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:07 pm Reply with quote
ponlork wrote:
I'm glad I left early. I'm not saying the Long Beach convention area isn't safe but the areas surrounding LACC is more closer to the danger. here are crimes that were reported around the LACC area within a 1 mile radius in just the past 3 days: crime report. around july 4th there will be a lot of folks roaming the streets and people do shoot their guns in the air late at night, I'm concern for the safety of the kids and also females who are going to cosplay, they might get preyed upon and targeted. I'm pretty sure I can handle myself but I'm worried about the safety of others.unless AX closes everything at 7pm but that's kind of taking away one of the aspects that makes AX so great.


Perhaps AX will be in a position to change to a convention that only operates on a limited hours schedule. I mean it is an industry con and even though anime all conventions are by default 24-hour events, doesn't mean the rule is absolute. I would hate for AX to sacrifice late evening events for the sake of safety since really anime cons are one of the only types that run around the clock. If AX wants to be seen as more of an professional exposition I think those sacrifices will have to be made. Maybe that's why they want a venue like LACC to move away from fan oriented event and more towards a completely commercial organization (which they already are).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:39 pm Reply with quote
pon: Again, murders happen everywhere. The fact that you're alive shows it's not so bad, despite what the media is trying to make you believe.
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