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| hikura Posts: 228 |
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In this thread this is the first time i have heard of jsevakis and read his review of shadow chronicles.He summed up pretty much summed up my feeling of shadow chronicles.No where in the review does he bash anyone in paticular.He express his/her opnion of shadow chronicles.If he is in a country where freedom of speech is allowed then he/she is allowed to express it.So what is your beef with jsevakis?Sounds like to me you have a vendetta against this person? |
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| pat_payne Posts: 168 |
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After reading the review, I don't know what kind of "threatening language" you think he used there. Unless comparing Shadow Chronicles to a nutrition bar suddenly became this generation's "someone should hang him from the highest yardarm" overnight and nobody told any of us about it.
Oh, knock it off. He was reviewing the POS, and actually in a fairly witty way. Believe me, people have thought much worse about Robotech in general. I suggest if you're that thin-skinned, stay away from MacrossWorld. You'd probably have your eyes pop out at the opinion of Robotech we hold there at times.
Even if your crackpot premise is correct that somehow a bad review has mystic powers to raise ire and bile and spur on assault (only once do I know of did it nearly do that -- when President Harry Truman read a bad review of a performance given by his daughter [Truman wrote back to the reviewer offering to punch his lights out]), buddy, remember that under the current interpretation of US law, even then Mr. Sevakis wouldn't be on the hook for what the cretin KhyronPrime did. He didn't find this Khyron yahoo, put a pie in his hand and tell him "go throw it at Tommy Yune." That is what a court wound need to rule incitement. Merely saying that he holds a low opinion of a movie doesn't even make the first cut. No, KhyronPrime is the arbiter of his own fate and should take whatever medicine's coming to him. Hopefully, that is whatever the current jail term is for misdemeanor assault and battery. |
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Anime World Order Posts: 193 Location: Florida |
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While that is indeed a problem, the MUCH BIGGER problem is the fact that Anime Expo saw fit to take away the guy's badge and ban him from the convention permanently. Not only that, a lot of people in this very thread are saying that was the right move to do and that charges should have been filed. Over a friggin' PIE? Give me a break. I have strong doubts that the Anime Expo staff considered the intent of the action at all. Given the decades of tales relayed to me about the Anime Expo staff/security, something tells me that even if this guy did what he did as a joke for the sake of having a funny Youtube video, he would STILL have been banned for life from AX.
"Clown pistols"? What are these "clown pistols" you speak of? If AX responds this severely to a pie in the face, what do you suppose their reaction would have been were Mr. Yune to have been shot by one of these "clown pistols"? And what do you suppose would happen were someone to say, deploy one of these devices upon Carl Macek? Just wonderin'. Last edited by Anime World Order on Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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hikaru004 Posts: 1831 |
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| Actually, I think that Yune was lucky to be hit with a "normal" whipped cream pie. He could have gotten hit with something a lot worse.
So what was security doing when AX's precious guest was getting assaulted? I would have filed charges. Banning this guy won't get rid of him and he could get more dangerous imo. |
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| pat_payne Posts: 168 |
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No, over a friggin' assault and battery. He committed a crime. Which part of that assertion have people accidentally uttered backwards in Babylonian? That maniac broke the law, con policy and any tenet of civilize society. How hard is that to understand? If you disagree with someone's views, you don't attack them out of the blue, no matter if it be with a pie, a lead pipe, a pistol or a bazooka. That is no way to have a civilized argument. O Diu Immortales -- he risked going to jail over a series of drawn pictures. Even Henry Thoreau or Ghandi would say he was out of line, I'd wager. What if that pie had been concealing razor blades or broken glass -- would you still be so sanguine about it? What if he had hit hard enough to have broken Yune's nose or put out an eye? "Just a pie" is not "just a pie" and the security people by right have to take any such incident seriously. Further, AX can take away badges any time they want. It says right on the badge that it can be revoked at any time with no explanation given to the holder.
As well he should, for the reasons mentioned above. in this day and age, they CANNOT take chances. Not even with "just a pie." The intent means nothing, the action was taken and has to be dealt with because people could genuinely have been injured. That really is one of those things that has to be nonnegotiable at a con -- the safety of guests and attendees has to be preserved. |
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| Yoda117 Posts: 254 |
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Could be worse... smack a guest with a pie? That's a paddlin  |
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| tempest ANN Editor in Chief  Posts: 7054 Location: Montreal |
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Excuse me? YOu think they should just let him get away with it? No punishment at all? That would send the very wrong messages to people, these messages would be "Go ahea, pie the various industry people here, we won't do anything about it," and "If you plan on coming to Anime Expo, and someone out there doesn't like your company, expect to be pied." Every industry person at AX has at least one person who doesn't like them, most likely many, many more. Personally, this guy is lucky that he hasn't been charged with assault. If anyone threw a pie in my face I'd be pressing charges. -t |
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| Anime World Order Posts: 193 Location: Florida |
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Dude, that would be TOTALLY AWESOME. Getting pied is what America is built upon. You see? To oppose the practice of "all those whom you feel nerd rage for shall be subject to clown pistols / pies in the face" is to oppose the foundations of the republic itself! Only Stiffly Stiffersons like Ann Coulter press charges after getting a pie in the face. And they pretty much missed her anyway! As an important announcement: the list has been UPDATED, baby! Wikipedia is such a powerful website. |
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| pat_payne Posts: 168 |
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Fine. Let someone pie you. Then tell us how "awesome" you feel. Here I thought America was built upon civilized society and the rules of law and common sense, as well as the freedom to discuss, to do, to do well and to create for the betterment of all. I guess I was wrong. It was built on sods running around with pies smacking everyone they disagree with to get them to shut up so that the pie thrower can win an argument through argumentam ad baculum that he would not be prepared or willing to contest in a fair debate. Yes. How American. Silence your opposition by humiliating them. Bravo. I just bet that Thomas Jefferson had that in mind.
How dare you? How can you have the unmitigated gall to somehow equate the health of the Republic with your petty, selfish privilige of assaulting and humiliating into silence someone because you don't like a cartoon movie? Well, buster, I don't like Robotech either, but I would never stoop to such an act. As long as he is not breaking the law, he does have the right to put that out there without someone attacking him. I abhorred the release of Nymphet, believing that it would be damaging to fandom in general. I advocated its boycott, but I would never have seriously or even jokingly endorsed an attack on Jason DeAngelis of any kind if he had forged ahead with publishing the title. Again, ASSAULT OF A PERSON IS NOT AN ACCEPTIBLE WAY IN SOCIETY TO EXPRESS DISPLEASURE WITH A LEGALLY-EXPRESSED VIEW, NO MATTER HOW REPUGNANT. Here, In California, we had the funeral for Cpl. Anzack (the kidnapped and murdered soldier) a month ago. I was concerned that those Fred Phelps morons ("God loves dead soldiers because America loves f*gs") would be there protesting his service at South High. In my mind's eye, I would loved to have run them down in my car for their repugnant views. However, I would not do that in real life, because they have, even if I don't wish to admit it, a right to be doing what they're doing, so long as they do not attack anyone else. I despise them with every fiber of my being, but they have as much a right to speak so long as they don't foment a riot as others on the other side. (Blessedly, they gave the event a miss.) But, by your lights, perhaps I should have run them down? Because taking your logic to the extreme, if we can hit a person with a pie and risk injuring them and yet not have to worry about consequences, then why can't we just deck them or kill them and really get them to shut the hell up if we despise what they say? Because society and civilization say no. It's the same point I tried to hammer into Steroid. You live in a society -- a community, and communities have rules, like it or not. One of those rules is you do not go hitting other people with any handy object merely because you disagree with their words.
What about Tom Cruise, who, IIRC, did likewise when a couple of pranksters squirted water from a fake microphone in his face? Is he a "stiffly stifferson," or does he get a pass because he's liberal? |
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| hikura Posts: 228 |
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So let me get this right.It is ok for a random person in a con to go up to any guest and hit them with a pie because they disagree with them?I swear you and sweta2 must know each other because your logic is way off.While it might have been only a pie it is the point of the fact that is not only uncalled for it lacks any sort of decorum.AX did the right thing by kicking him out of the con and banning him for he did.If they did not do that it gives permission to other people that they can get away with such things. The person who hit tommy with the pie(calls himself khyron prime) is by no means a normal person.I mean it is different if a friend or family did between each other but just to go up to someone and smack them with a pie because hey they did not like how you are handling a intellicual property is really stupid. Not only could the pie thrower got them self arrested but escaped from a possible beating.Tommy had his right to defend himself because he could have misconstruted the intital item coming his way in a way he could have felt threatened.Hence tommy could have threw a few punches or what not at the guy and would have been self defense. |
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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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You have obviously been missing the point of the whole situation. Tommy could have acted towards him in a totally different perspective, in fact, he might have had his ass whooped by the entire booth staff it had gotten out of hand. One more reason to make AX look bad, because he was obviously provoking him to get Tommy to look bad. But as we saw, Tommy was cool about it, and that guy is lucky to get away with only a permanent ban from AX, because he deserves more. Someone mentioned above that this guy could have used something else, and something worse could have happened to Tommy. That's why we need to be thankful it was only a pie, worse things could have happened. |
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indrik Posts: 365 Location: yonder |
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| I'm trying to think of a situation where I could justify not banning the guy permanently. Or not revoking is badge. I'm sure there are some.
Is there a policy against pies in general? How do you sneak an illicit pie into a con to use as a weapon? Maybe an empty pie tin and a couple of cans of Reddi Whip, I guess. I think they guy's nuts, either way. What sort of psychosis dreams up the idea that a cartoon is so important that it's necessary to take a perfectly good pie to a total stranger over the potential quality of that cartoon? I mean- really. Eat the friggen pie. Pie>Robotech. Acourse, I make good pie, so that could skew my thinking. And if there was nothing involved but whipped cream, then hey, that's not even a real pie. I can't quite get worked up to the point that I would think that charging the guy with assault is the right path to choose here. I think Mr. Yune handled it very well, much better than I would have. Maybe if there was actual injury, I'd change my mind. But I think hustlingthe pie man out and telling him not to ever come back is a good idea, especially from the point of view of trying to attract future guests. |
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Shii Posts: 89 |
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Unlike the myriad of crazy, almost intellectually blind fanboys and fangirls I totally expect to see there, I am traveling without a goal of having fun. Whether or not I have a good time is inconsequential; I will do my best to enjoy myself but, at the same time, remain on the balls of my feet, poised to seize the moment which has brought me here. When the video is released, Tommy Yune and Harmony Gold staff will likely denounce it as a humourous incident and one that was done in good humour. fudge that. The truth is that Tommy Yune and his people don’t seem to take anything seriously except for ‘Tommy Yune and his people’. They can’t see this as the non-violent equivelant of an assassination. Dude's a psycho. He's this close to shooting up his school. |
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| SDS Posts: 7 |
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| So I have to make sure you can follow me here, so I'll explain this carefully.
The difference between an assault and a pie to the face is that one involves a pie and the other does not. Repeat that carefully. |
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| Mr VacBob SPAMMER Posts: 2 Location: Atlanta, GA |
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What? Really, instead of some kind of "throwing pies at people means the terrorists win" argument, you should really just focus on how the guy who did it is some kind of crazy aspie.
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