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| dormcat Encyclopedia Editor  Posts: 7336 Location: Hsinchu City, Taiwan, ROC |
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(Sigh) Do you guys know what's the first step to animate a series? Finding sponsors! It's not like Miura-sensei or editors at Young Animal carrying the manga around and ask if someone wants to animate their manga. Question: there are tons of manga-adapted anime with lots of materials not yet animated, so why people keep asking about Berserk only? Even Nausicaä has no more than 1/10 people doing the same thing, not to mention 12K, Ouran, and many other anime with their original manga/novel still ongoing. |
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ichiro3923 Posts: 167 Location: hiding in your closet watching you |
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| About fansubs:
I have to be honest, I actually watch fansub episodes of Naruto Shippuden shows and manga posted on youtube And the reason is probably because of what Zac said: I'm cheap; I wouldn't plan to buy a dozen DVD's of Naruto to watch all 300+ episodes of the whole series  . (And because English version Naruto is around 5 or more seasons away from Japanese versions of Naruto) |
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Sir Hamilton Posts: 63 Location: Massachusetts |
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| That rant was terrific I whole heartedly agree.
On part of fansubbing I sort of agree. The first fansub I watched, Kannazuki no Miko, I loved the series so much I bought it, the whole thing. I wanted to be able to hold the collection in my hands and say with pride that I owned a physical version of it. Then there have been other times when I watch a series and find out it's complete crap and I don't buy it. For example Kashimashi. If I didn't watch the fansubbed version I would have lost all that money to that crap. I hated it sooo much at the end. I was very disapointed with the way it turned out I'm thankfull to that fansubber. Then the third scenerio is when I rent something from netflix. In this case ROD I got the first DVD and I loved it soooooooooo much that I just had to go find the fansub to find out what happened. It was very good and I loved it however I had other things in my list that I wanted to see so I just deleted the rest of the series off my list. I think that a good solution to the problem which might raise the sales of R1 DVD's up is to realease the whole series at once with a reasonable price for it. maybe 50 bucks? I really like the thin(was it slim?  don't remember) pack idea from ADV but if they released the whole series on one release day as a thin pack. Also maybe they could cater to hard core fans aswell and put out the same exact packaging as they had in Japan with all the same offers.
For example for the first 77 days that NANA came out with their volume one dvd the price was 707 yen. that may iliminate the whole series in one day plan but hey more people would buy it wouldn't they? :3 (I deffinately plan on buying NANA) I know that NANA was a special case because of the 707 ordeal but what if all dvd's had a few days (not even 77 maybe even 10? or 5? maybe even just the first day) right when it was released where the price was alot cheaper than it is normally was? How many more people would buy it?! I think it would probably add up to the same or even more amount of profit that the DVD's bring in at this moment. I may be wrong, I am no marketing genious but just something to consider. Last edited by Sir Hamilton on Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:27 am; edited 1 time in total |
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JoshuaStChristopher Posts: 351 |
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I would also venture to guess that doing any more Berserk anime would be very difficult, since the animated series omits important characters like Skull Knight, thus trying to continue the story after the end of the TV version would either have to retcon the heck out of things, ignore the TV series altogether and adapt the manga, or come up with some entirely new plot devices. Still, I'd imagine Berserk must be fairly popular since it's been running for some 30-odd volumes, and the near unanimous internet-hardon (of which I belong to) would make one assume it's not totally niche. And this is all kind of unfortunate, since--if you ignore the more explicit parts of the comic--it seems quite marketable what with all the European-medieval-fantasy and asskickings. But hey, the manga is readily available here in the US and highly recommended. I doubt any studio could accurately replicate Miura's art in animation form without blowing a lot of yen, anyway. |
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Kenotic Posts: 131 |
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| Unless there are citations and direct quotes, it never hurts to take "trivia" and IMDB's forums with a grain of salt. For example, Disney seemed to have no problem with the family bathing together in Totoro (which is a lot more than what happens in Only Yesterday). Heck, they even dubbed Pom Poko, which had a blue joke or two.. Even Kiki got to keep its "naked?" joke in. Menstration talk? It may have been a factor, but likely one of many factors.
OY is one of my favorite movies, but I could understand how it might be a tough sell in the US. It would be difficult to dub, due to a number of cultural idioms and turns of phrases. More so, cultural issues (stepping outside barefoot, the role of a father in Japanese culture) as well as the dating of the movie -- which partly takes place in the 60s -- may make this a hard sell. Since this is Disney, infamous for creating sequels for 60+ year old movies as well as hyper-extending the Pirates of the Caribbean: License to Print Money franchise, it would make sense that they shelve the one anime movie that would be the most difficult to translate for a US audience. That being said, I hope they release it here, even if it's just a simple sub with zero features. At the least, it'd make Disney look good -- and the company can use some good PR beyond Pixar. However, if you want to watch this movie, there are two easy ways. You can buy it from England, where it is available from places like Amazon. There are region issues, but it played in my computer with zero problems. The other option is to check the schedule for Turner Classic Movies, where it airs occasionally. |
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ikillchicken Subscriber Posts: 2509 Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go! |
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I don't think this is entirely acurate. In many cases Fansubs come in idividual episode or several episode groups. In those cases, you can use them as a preview. |
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| Nobuyuki Posts: 450 |
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At first glance I thought the polar bear cub was stuffed and mounted.  |
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jetz Posts: 2013 Location: Manila, Philippines |
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| I'll only comment on the fansubbing part, mostly because that guy goes to the SAME UNIVERSITY as me (yes, I'm a Lasallian - not a proud one) and I can relate to him as a Filipino anime fan.
What Answerman was saying about fansubbers getting a fanbase overseas is true. I know a lot of people who download fansubs mostly because: 1. The Philippines is a "developing" country, we can't afford a lot of imported DVDs (I buy imported DVDs occasionally, but I watch fansubs too) 2. Tagalog dub sucks - sometimes 3. We don't have anime rental shops here 4. We're pretty impatient 
I do agree that fansubbing is a form of piracy, but I find myself thinking that maybe for Filipinos (and other third world countries) it can be a bit justified. I literally have to starve myself for weeks if I wanted to buy DVDs (they cost P2500/item) and I'm not dirt poor. |
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| Axaul Conners Posts: 11 |
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| Well for the shonen jumps style movies, that's what you get for getting interested in those series. (I am proud to admit that I HATE all Shonen Jump series, manga or otherwise) And these movies are almost always pointless. I remember sitting through an entire run of that Naruto movie with the Ice princess or something, I don't really care cause not only don't I like Naruto, that particular one bored me to tears on it's own terms. Then again, that's just me... I don't regard myself as the anime fan I once was...
And that fansub thing? Well most of the anime I bought I just researched from other viewers and reviews of the show. Only about 3 times have I ever watched a fansub to determine whether I'd purchase it or not. And Zac is right about previews. If these fansubbers were TRULY only giving a preview then they'd only do the one or two episode. And straying into Anime Bootleg territory, I remember posting a topic about this on Madboards a while back and someone suggested that you pay the anime company in Japan for a special sticker which you'd put on your bootleg DVD saying that "This is endoresed by (insert company name)". I'll leave it to you to figure out the flaws in that strategy... |
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| Axaul Conners Posts: 11 |
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I believe that something similar was discussed in an earlier post regarding access to anime from developing countries which may be rife with piracy of all kinds. Sometimes this justification is used, but the people who use this argument the most are from countries like the US, the UK and other well off countries. It can be justified on an anime fan's terms, but not on legal terms with the companies who own and create the property, especially if they decide to take action against people who fansub (Aniplex comes to mind), in which case we have NO RIGHT to complain about it. |
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| ichido reichan Posts: 196 |
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| Okay, let's not get repetitive here...
-FANSUBS: we are all pirates yeah, next step on the industry is to have $25.00/ 35.00 complete boxsets and to air on national TV the anime series, which I already see, anime network and ImaginASIAN are giving away tons of fairly new series for broadcast for free, and fansubs still will be there, perhaps with better technology, people will trade complete series with the touch of a button, people don't buy much cds for their Iphones or cell phones... anime is already on the MP3 value. -ONLY YESTERDAY: not licensed by disney not because of the controversy or obscure reasons, because is too long and boring for kids and too unknown for parents, the movie is great but is not for everybody, it targets the same audience for "driving miss daisy" "kolya" and "Nobody knows" slow, tender and nostalgic nowadays is not very marketable. -The best anime in the world is ALPS NO SHOJO HEIDI, done by miyazaki and takahata and the only country it wasnt shown was in USA. -BERSERK & HELLSING anime? why? we have the manga now, screw fillers and bad animated sequences, and if you want an update of "when they gonna continue BERSERK" that's easy...the company that animated BERSERK just finished a crappy little anime called DEATH NOTE. -the rant: yeah..parents watch your children and leave alone anime & games...nice pick Zac...something a little more original next time? -and I don't watch fansubs anymore cause besides 2-3 titles, the rest of the anime in 2007 SUCKS. even on fansub on tape I was able to find so much quality stuff, nowadays, not even for free there is stuff I would watch I haven't seen before, we can't save the anime industry from lack of originality |
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| Cain Highwind Posts: 109 |
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| About Anime movies: Yeah they are essentially filler, but I think a big draw is seeing your favorite characters kicking ass in high quality animation. In the case of DBZ there's Brolly who ends up becoming a HUGE character with the fans, namely for video games.
In the case of One Piece, many fans like to cite the "Star Trek rule" in that all the even numbered movies are best (considered dead with Movie 8. I'd like point out OP Movie 6 though when they use Non-canon movies to try something completely new (artstyle and tone). Also with OP, they tend to make new music for the movie which they then use for the series saving it for some of the big Manga based scenes. And that's always a plus. About the Rant: It's funny there's a reference to "Manga" and the Library. Several months ago, there was an article in the paper about Manga becoming popular in the school classroom and library. They had a photo of a young grade schooler boy, about 10 or so looking, holding up a Chobits Manga. It made me wonder if he was just holding it up for the camera or if they were really letting him read it. |
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| Zalis116 Moderator  Posts: 4812 Location: Tana Village |
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| Anime movies: I'm no Pokemon fan, but I've found myself tolerating or liking all the movies I've seen, 1-7 IIRC. I kind of like the more "epic" plots that go beyond the day-to-day training and battles of the TV series. The Utena movie is good if you know the series already, but the Escaflowne movie...imo you're better off watching it before the series, so that all the radical character personality changes don't piss you off. At least there's been a good parody fandub made of it.
Haruhi Suzumiya Broadcast Order: If you don't want to get the LEs, you can always read up on the numbering of broadcast vs. chronological order, and just shuffle from DVD to DVD once you have all four. Or maybe just three out of four. Fansub debate thread #38720:
Video quality improvement is a given thanks to new codecs/technology, faster Internet connections, and cheaper storage on external hard drives & DVDRs. Translation quality...well, my Japanese still has a long ways to go, but based on my knowledge and direct comparison to DVD subtitles (assuming the pros get it right, which isn't the case 100% of the time), I'd say translation quality has improved. If you compare something like Kiddy Grade from 2002 to the more recent releases from those two groups, there's a lot of improvement.
Besides, even if the miracle scenario did occur and fansubbing ceased overnight, there would still be enough illicit avenues of anime procurement that the people who absolutely refused to pay would find ways of not paying. It wouldn't end piracy, but it would decrease the overall awareness and pre-release "buzz" for the series that come out on DVD. I can't say if that's a good or a bad thing, or if it even matters.
But maybe a few more C&Ds are in order for the more transgressive of fansubs, though Viz found out how pointless it was to send them with only two episodes left to air of Death Note. ADV's always been aggressive about taking action against groups and trackers that distribute their properties, so I'm surprised that they didn't do anything about Le Chevalier D'Eon, which was announced as of episode 8-9 but still finished by not one, but two groups that have a history of subbing licensed anime. But at their AX panel, they said it was "commercially successful." The Rant: I'd be more disturbed by the apparently drug-hallucination scene featuring a rather, uh..."affectionate" tree in The Last Unicorn than by swearing or anything else. |
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| Paploo Posts: 556 |
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Well, I imagine we'll be seeing it sooner or later- supposedly there is a lot of competition over the title, and comments at industry panels at cons make it sound like someone has it. We probably haven't heard it announced yet because dates are probably imposed on announcements. I don't watch fansubs because anything and everything has a chance to be licesned, and it's just a matter of waiting. If it really does take forever, then I'll settle for an R2 dvd, but I've yet to had to do that, because there's so much new anime that makes it over here anyways, in so many genres, and so many older titles I've yet to see. |
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| Paploo Posts: 556 |
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But they're supplementing that with DVD releases. Which is where the money needed to continue producing the shows is made in ADV's case- ImaginAsian's is an experiment of sorts, made possible by being subonly.
Ummm..... it is licensed by Disney. They made the subbed version. They aired it on TCM. They even did release it on DVD in Japan [Buena Vista=Disney]. I imagine the reason we haven't seen it is moreso that they're waiting for the next Ghibli movie to be finished [2008-ish?, so they can release it, OnlyY, and Earthsea on DVD at the same time in 2009, along with other stuff mabye [Ocean Waves please!]
There's actually an R1 french language release available here in Canada, fyi |
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