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AstroNerdBoy
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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Location: Denver, CO
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 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:56 pm |
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| poehitman wrote: | | I'm thinking they will relaunch, because parts of the site are still online as of 3:47 am ET on 7/22. I know the user profile section is still up, as are the forums and the clubs main page. However, unless you have them directly bookmarked, you can't get to them, as trying to go to any other page will automatically redirect you to the message that they are done with the beta testing and will relaunch at a future date. |
Hmmm...that's sounds like some poor web design for a major company (either that, or they didn't flush the cache, which is also very possible, but poor work as well). I work for a major IT/IS company who supports and hosts a number of major business websites on the web. I can promise you that when we take down a site and throw up "maintenance pages," you aren't getting to any page on the site even if you have a sub-page bookmarked. No matter what you do, you'll get our nifty little splash page as the original pages are not online.
| Quote: | | The one thing that does piss me off is how they handled the series-wiki contest this final week. When last week's ended and this week's contest began, no mention of any shutdowns were made. They aren't going to convince me that Navarre called them up at noon on Friday and told them all to be gone by 6pm because they were shutting down the site. They HAD to have more notice than that. I put in a good 18-24 hours of updating, which was usually good enough to win at least 1, usually 2 DVD's out of the 7 per week up for grabs. They waited till that week's contest ended, and then closed down the site. However, they never announced the winners. That means all the people who did updating to their series-wiki did it for nothing. They could have at least awarded the final weeks DVD's before they closed down, as a thank you to their loyal members. |
I would guess you've never worked for a major corporation before have you, especially one where there is a parent-child company relationship. I have, twice. In both cases, there were instances of the parent company suddenly making decisions that the child company (the acquired company) was not made aware of. In both cases, it had to do with getting rid of departments and people.
The company I currently work at was going along just fine we thought. Then one day, our department lost six contractors without any advanced warning as the company began slashing jobs in a sudden desperate attempt to cut costs. A month later, the company wiped out entire support teams and sent the work to other similar teams because on paper, "an SA is an SA" and no consideration for account uniqueness was given. So I found myself in the middle of a major SEV 1 outage for a major U.S. retailer (with both online and brick-and-mortar stores) and suddenly one of the support teams for the account is no longer there. The account management hadn't even been told this support team (which only did this account) had been axed.
So yeah, I can believe Navarre did crap like this because from the begining, they've struck me as morons. The only reason they bought FUNimation was to have a cash cow to support their loser operations.
As to the site itself, I'm sad that I was never even aware of it (I don't watch bloody ads on FUNimation DVD's and I'm not going to start either). It sounded like a neat site for information. |
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poehitman
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:39 am |
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[bIf you bothered to read, it wasn't the fact that we didn't get free stuff that I was pissed about. It was the fact that a contest was ADVERTISED and they didn't bother even to mention it. All I (and others) wanted was a simple "Hey, here's what's going on. Thanks for contributing but we can't give out the prizes this week and here's why." I would have been satisfied with that.[/b]
And I was happy to get what DVD's I did get. I'm disabled with no income, so by doing that was the only way I got any DVD's. I'm not sitting here with loads of money and whining that I didn't get something for free. Besides, I didn't get any of those DVD's for "free". I worked for them. If I did absolutely nothing other than get my name picked at random out of a drawing, then you might have a point. So if you really want to knit pick, they could be sued for false advertising for advertising a contest, accepting "entries" that met the criteria, and not issuing prizes. But I'm not that petty. Like I said before, all I wanted was a simple post saying "Here's what's going on with the contest. We can't award prizes this final week because we weren't given the resources to do so. We're sorry, but we thank you all for your effort.". How hard was it to post something like that.
And so what if they lost their jobs. Get over it. They got PAID to do what they enjoyed. I'd kill for a job like that. And if something happened and I was no longer employed, I'd be thankful for being able to work a job I actually enjoyed for a little while. When I got let go after I was injured and permanently disabled AT WORK, I didn't a bunch of people espousing me with how much they appreciated what I did. I got a "Tough break, now get lost!". They're still healthy and will most likely have job offers rolling in in the near future, if not already rolling in. So pardon me if I don't shed a tear.
And I'm pretty sure you don't know the entire set of facts surrounding all this. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:49 am |
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| poehitman wrote: |
And so what if they lost their jobs. Get over it. They got PAID to do what they enjoyed. I'd kill for a job like that. |
I'm sorry that the circumstances in your life did not enable you to do what you wanted to do.
But that does not entitle you to piss on anyone who lost their job doing something that you'd rather do than whatever it is your life lead you to.
That your life has been hard does not mean that everyone who has ever worked a job you'd like to have deserves to lose it or should not be upset at having lost it.
You strike me as a very bitter and selfish person, someone who doesn't care to empathize with others because you're too busy feeling sorry for yourself.
The world owes you nothing. |
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poehitman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:55 am |
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| Once again, a poster who cannot comprehend what they read. |
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SakechanBD
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:06 am |
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| poehitman wrote: |
And so what if they lost their jobs. Get over it. They got PAID to do what they enjoyed. I'd kill for a job like that. |
Ya know, you *can* get a job like that. A lot of those jobs can be done from home, with just a computer and an internet connection. You should start a blog or something, maybe try your hand at some freelancing, keep your ears open for jobs like that. If that's what you really want to do, do it. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:07 am |
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| poehitman wrote: | | Once again, a poster who cannot comprehend what they read. |
Respond to what I said or defend your comments but this "sigh I'm smarter than you" bullshit isn't going to fly.
You're mad because you didn't get free DVDs and then said that everyone who lost their job deserved to do so because you're disabled and would kill for a job like that.
You have no reasonable perspective on the issue. |
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Psycho 101
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Location: In the Grumpmobile with Grumpyman fighting crime one pot of coffee at a time.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:27 am |
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| poehitman wrote: | [bIf you bothered to read, it wasn't the fact that we didn't get free stuff that I was pissed about. It was the fact that a contest was ADVERTISED and they didn't bother even to mention it. All I (and others) wanted was a simple "Hey, here's what's going on. Thanks for contributing but we can't give out the prizes this week and here's why." I would have been satisfied with that.[/b]
And I was happy to get what DVD's I did get. I'm disabled with no income, so by doing that was the only way I got any DVD's. I'm not sitting here with loads of money and whining that I didn't get something for free. Besides, I didn't get any of those DVD's for "free". I worked for them. If I did absolutely nothing other than get my name picked at random out of a drawing, then you might have a point. So if you really want to knit pick, they could be sued for false advertising for advertising a contest, accepting "entries" that met the criteria, and not issuing prizes. But I'm not that petty. Like I said before, all I wanted was a simple post saying "Here's what's going on with the contest. We can't award prizes this final week because we weren't given the resources to do so. We're sorry, but we thank you all for your effort.". How hard was it to post something like that.
And so what if they lost their jobs. Get over it. They got PAID to do what they enjoyed. I'd kill for a job like that. And if something happened and I was no longer employed, I'd be thankful for being able to work a job I actually enjoyed for a little while. When I got let go after I was injured and permanently disabled AT WORK, I didn't a bunch of people espousing me with how much they appreciated what I did. I got a "Tough break, now get lost!". They're still healthy and will most likely have job offers rolling in in the near future, if not already rolling in. So pardon me if I don't shed a tear.
And I'm pretty sure you don't know the entire set of facts surrounding all this. |
Ya know you're acting like you're somehow entitled to these dvds and they robbed you. It's a contest, that's it. You make this sound like some written contract signed in blood that was violated as they kicked you into a garbage pile while it's snowing outside. You're more worried about your stupid dvds then the fact plenty of people lost their jobs. As someone who was supposedly told to get lost from their job themselves one would think you'd be more sensitive to a subject like that. Instead you're pouting and having a temper tantrum because you didn't get some dvds. I'm sorry life has dealt you a crappy hand but to quote your own words, get over it. Don't use it as an excuse to take it out on others. So you didn't get some dvds, life goes on. |
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Steventheeunuch
Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:42 am |
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| poehitman wrote: | | Once again, a poster who cannot comprehend what they read. |
And in typical internet form, someone who doesn't understand the nessecity of continued employment.
While I sympathise with your situation, there is more to your job than whether you like it or not. Despite that, you still need to make repayments on your car/house/whatever, or rent, or food, or whatever else. Steady employment supplements these things, and it's never good when it is taken away from you.
So take this wikipedia-updating, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it. |
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Eos
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:05 am |
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| starcade wrote: | | How cold and selfish have we become as American anime fans? |
From what I've observed, not very. Considering the number of cons all over the country every year, community/school anime clubs, and even fandom message boards, all run by volunteers who don't expect swag in return, I don't think American anime fans as a group are selfish. |
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Folie Eternelle
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:23 pm |
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I'm deeply disappointed to see the news, I didn't even get a chance to be there on the day of the shut down. As others have mentioned, it was the best place to get any sort of anime news, information on Japan, newly licensed material, and what not. I never really got the magazines on their regularly scheduled basis, so this was a way for me to keep better well informed. Also being that my resources to anything anime related is so limited.
But, anyways, I've been reading almost all of your posts. And to say this, not in a disrespectful way or to be of any offense, but in your own way, you're all hypocritical. I could go more into detail, but.. I'd rather not waste away my day on such trivial dilemmas. Although, I will say this. I myself frequented aO daily (oddly enough, not on the last few days), but knew quite a lot of matters being discussed and events happening. So I can relate to some of what poehitman is discussing. I can also relate to the others points. But must you bite each others heads off for such small things? I don't know if I'm certainly butting in and imposing my ideals/thoughts/etc. on a topic I just wanted to declare my sorrow on, or just being obnoxious on saying you people are rather harsh when responding to another. Either way, I don't care. I just wanted to include my thought on your discussions. I apologize if anything I wrote is grammatically unintelligible, or irrelevant to anything. Thank you if you happen to glance over my opinion. |
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starcade
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:58 pm |
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| Eos wrote: | | starcade wrote: | | How cold and selfish have we become as American anime fans? |
From what I've observed, not very. Considering the number of cons all over the country every year, community/school anime clubs, and even fandom message boards, all run by volunteers who don't expect swag in return, I don't think American anime fans as a group are selfish. |
Not from my experience or observation.
In fact, most of the people I've seen who volunteer and the like are either in it to refund their entrance fee, get swag, or find crash space.
If there were more like you say, then the discussion about the "necessity" (is there?) to offer free stuff for wiki-content probably would be unnecessary or irrelevant. |
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Yoda117
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:02 pm |
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| starcade wrote: |
In fact, most of the people I've seen who volunteer and the like are either in it to refund their entrance fee, get swag, or find crash space.
If there were more like you say, then the discussion about the "necessity" (is there?) to offer free stuff for wiki-content probably would be unnecessary or irrelevant. |
I agree with your sentiment, but I also feel the need to state that there are several folk within the anime community who do it for the love of the genre and for the community itself.
These people are nuts.
I wouldn't have them any other way, as they always manage to bring a smile to my face.
Not to disagree (as I don't... to many folks out there are selfish bastards, else we'd not be hearing half of the con horror stories), but just wanted to take the opening to recognize those that are actually altruistic in their motivations.
There simply isn't enough of them.  |
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starcade
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:21 pm |
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| Yoda117 wrote: | | starcade wrote: |
In fact, most of the people I've seen who volunteer and the like are either in it to refund their entrance fee, get swag, or find crash space.
If there were more like you say, then the discussion about the "necessity" (is there?) to offer free stuff for wiki-content probably would be unnecessary or irrelevant. |
I agree with your sentiment, but I also feel the need to state that there are several folk within the anime community who do it for the love of the genre and for the community itself.
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I made careful to say "most", not "all". (A trap I can fall into from time to time.)
I do think that is a serious problem with most conventions, especially as it gets to the larger ones. You need people who actually can know what they're doing from long before the convention starts.
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Not to disagree (as I don't... to many folks out there are selfish bastards, else we'd not be hearing half of the con horror stories), but just wanted to take the opening to recognize those that are actually altruistic in their motivations.
There simply isn't enough of them. |
That's right. I just wanted to make clear that I said "most" "from my observation". |
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Yoda117
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:06 pm |
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| no worries, we're all clear on the use of "most", lol |
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