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| Zac ANN Executive Editor  Posts: 4298 Location: Death Star Cocktail Lounge |
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That's the thing; the already incredibly small niche-within-a-niche audience for this show doesn't anticipate buying the show, they anticipate complaining about the DVD release. It isn't that they want it licensed because they're excited about buying Kanon, they're excited because it allows them to get their torches and pitchforks out. |
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Mohawk52 Posts: 3858 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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Nebs Posts: 313 Location: University of Illinois |
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YouTube version: ^^ http://www.youtube.com/ |
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CloverKuroba Posts: 504 |
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| I really love Kanon, I like it better than Air. Actually, after watching the first Kanon, I got a better appreciation for Air. This is a strong indication that ADV has it, which is great. | ||||
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Clodus Posts: 407 Location: Kansas |
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| thanks nebs
well i just got my this months newtype magazine and they had the first episode of Air on there. i thought the voices were pretty dam fitting which gave the same vibe as the original. since they are basing the voice actors for Air to Kanon as well. i was actually quite confused with Air so due to my ability to not understand, im on my second run through. I personally loved Kanon and i plan on buyin it either way |
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| SkritNa Posts: 3 |
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| As a continual viewer of visual novels turned anime, I feel inclined to state that I intend to purchase Key's licensed works. If I so happen to be part of this tiny niche that people in this topic have been talking about that claim to love Kanon and Air and whatnot then it would make sense to actually support the R1 releases. I can complain all I want about translations, English voice acting, poor subtitling, or not wasting my money. The point, however, is that I want to support the companies. I buy anime that I enjoy and will continue to do so. Having video files on your computer just isn't the same as actually owning the product. | ||||
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Avacado Burger Posts: 77 |
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I hear ya on this post, but Lucky Star is beyond anime marketing. As good as it can be sometimes, I have never seen a studio shamelessly plug their own works than in this series. Seriously, there's a Haruhi reference almost every single episode. Prove me if I'm wrong if there's a series that shamelessly plugs its own studio more than Lucky Star. I'm thinking that Lucky Star should have gotten licensed before or at the same time as Meloncholy, just for the viral marketing factor. |
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| Ari-chan Posts: 158 Location: Florida |
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That is a great way of thinking, I wish all fans thought that way to some extent. I happen to love Kanon and Air, so I plan on buying both (I actually had AIR on pre-order as soon as ADV had it up). I'm glad ADV managed to get Kanon 2006. I think they tend to do a great job with the series they pick up. I do feel they should have at least waited a little longer for this though. Unless they are already aware of how Air will sell (which I doubt), there is no way to tell if bringing Kanon over will be a good idea. like said most of who would be interested are hardcore fans of the title already, who probably wouldn't buy it anyway because they're cheap. I think if they really want this to sell, they need to start with the advertising now, rather then hoping it sells itself. |
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HitokiriShadow Subscriber Posts: 4908 |
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| I hope they announce it officially soon. But if they have a trailer on their site, I think the odds that they have it are pretty high. And by "high", I mean "practically guaranteed." | ||||
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| Ari-chan Posts: 158 Location: Florida |
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| I hope they announce it soon as well, now that they have put out a trailer. I also hope they get it out here fast. Not like what they are doing with Keroro. Did they ever say when that was coming out yet? | ||||
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| james039 Posts: 87 |
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| It's hard to say how well a show like this would do until they get it out into the market and get some numbers. History has shown that internet banter does not reflect the success/failure of a product (Snakes on a plane?)
I'm a bit of an obsessive purist about my anime, but I've got my preorder in for AIR, and I suspect I'll be doing the same for Kanon if/when it becomes available. As far as keeping the likes of me happy for an R1 release, I only ask that they include everything that was on the R2 DVD's (extras/commentary) and the original Japanese OP/ED in place (not just in with the extras). It's all about the presentation being as *authentic* as possible. |
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Richard J.Subscriber Posts: 2931 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see everything stay in. Unlike some people that gush about how great ADV's thinpacks are because they're cheap and sans "useless crap" extras, I love the extras on anime DVDs. (Though I'd personally love to see more for the English cast. If you can't get the extras from Japan, at least make some yourselves.) I'm just saying that you might be expecting more than is possible with some extras due to the trouble negotiating for them. The type of fan Zac was talking about, I think this is what he means at least, is the kind who complains when something is licensed because the fansubs went away, curses English dubs the way most would curse child molestors, and generally nitpicks the R1 on a level that only the most anal-retentive type would understand. In other words, they don't want a good release, just a good excuse to not pay for their anime. (Please note, not all people who watch fansubs are like this. We just hear a lot more from the idiots because they're "louder.") SkritNa's post, I think, is an example of the opposite of the type of person Zac was talking about. The same with you. You want the release to be high quality, but you're not going to let something like, say, a misplaced comma in the subtitles or a single different piece of cover art (or the presence of an English dub) get in the way of you buying a series you enjoyed and want. |
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| darcerin Posts: 211 |
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Is it bad that the trailer made me cry? 
*goes off to watch it again* Here's to hoping. As long as ADV keeps the original intact I don't care - I don't have *anything* against dubs, but I loved that show in Japanese very much. *edit* Just to clarify, I will be buying the R1 releases, if and when they come out, because I will support this series in every way possible.  I'm not one of those morons that screams I got it for free online and then doesn't support the release for some stupid reason.  |
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| crilix Posts: 180 |
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Personally, I'll buy both Kanon and AIR simply because they are two of my favorite shows. However, I always expect commercial translators to do a better job than fansubbers. I'll buy the DVDs regardless of the translation quality; reviewers usually don't have a clue what they're talking about when it comes to translation, anyway. Mistakes happen even in the R1 world, yes, but when you have at least two fansubbing groups with more than solid translators behind the titles, good quality control teams to boot, and a show that isn't riddled with complex dialogue, mistakes in the commercial release just don't cut it. With every mistake a localization company makes, they give less purchasing incentive to fans who are still deciding, especially to fans abroad. Mind you, if I didn't want these releases of a "niché within a niché" to succeed in NA, I'd just stick to my AIR R2 DVDs + fansub subtitles and be a happy little purist. EDIT: Whining about commercial DVD releases isn't a genre-specific practice, I'm afraid, so Zac is wrong on that one. The percentage of those Naruto fans who whine about purchasing Naruto DVDs is most likely the same when talking fans of visual novel anime adaptations as well. The only difference is the latter is a smaller market. Nevertheless, Kanon and AIR are high-profile properties that most likely will not achieve successful sales numbers. ADV may be losing money with these two, but their reputation will undoubtedly gain a few positive points from having two high-profile properties in their catalogue, which will most likely help them with other Japanese partners and perhaps with future sales of other titles when our market won't be as Narutard-centric as it is today. |
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| Fellistowe Posts: 3 Location: Nottingham, England |
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| *little cheer for Richard J and everyone else supporting Air and Kanon*
I'd agree that it's a bit harsh to say that Air and Kanon are only appealing to that small niche of hardcore visual novel fanboys; what about us 'Armchair softies'? (and by that I mean those quiet gentle folk who don't rant and rave but instead like to settle down on a nice comfy chair with a warm cocoa and watch something that makes you get all emotional  )
I personally love the likes of Kanon and Air, a type of series I never would have discovered if it wasn't for fansub. My DVD collection (400+) is decidedly action based because, well, that's the "bread and butter" genre for anime in the west. I'm glad I'm now having the chance to change that. If it wasn't for companies like ADV taking a risk on high cost licences covering niche genre's, then those genre's will always stay niche. I'd love for these series to be out of the hands of the pitchfork wielding fanboys and into the blue open sky's of the greater anime loving masses
I love the huge diversity of styles and tastes found in anime (as I'm sure most of you do), and I wholeheartedly support anyone who takes a risk in opening up that diversity and give people a taste of something they would never have considered before. You never know, one day even the likes of Aria may end up over here  |
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