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Renaisance Otaku
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 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:34 pm |
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Touche.
Though one post by an extremest is hardly worth crying over.  |
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LydiaDianne
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:39 pm |
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| Renaisance Otaku wrote: | Touche.
Though one post by an extremest is hardly worth crying over. |
I wonder what's being said on some of the other anime forums though. Wanna bet there's TONS of screaming going on there? |
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ikillchicken
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:41 pm |
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| Oh Tobey, first Spiderman, now Macross...You're such a nerd. |
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Renaisance Otaku
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:52 pm |
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| LydiaDianne wrote: | | Renaisance Otaku wrote: | Touche.
Though one post by an extremest is hardly worth crying over. |
I wonder what's being said on some of the other anime forums though. Wanna bet there's TONS of screaming going on there? |
Nah, just thoughtful discussion and expressing of concerns.
Though I haven't checked RT.com, I can say that MacrossWorld is being good. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:29 am |
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| Renaisance Otaku wrote: | | Touche. |
It's spelled "Renaissance". |
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Renaisance Otaku
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:40 am |
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I'm aware of that. My keyboard had a hiccup and it was confirmed before I could correct it. If I could fix it, I would.
Shall we not resort to such low tactics. You're better than that. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:47 am |
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| Renaisance Otaku wrote: |
Shall we not resort to such low tactics. You're better than that. |
You're pulling the whole "is anyone sick of the people complaining about the complainers" thing when I'm the only person who expressed frustration at the fact that the instant reaction to any press release like this is "OH GOD HOLLYWOOD WILL SCREW IT UP OH MY PRECIOUS [anime]".
I don't really think i'm out of line pointing that out or expressing the fact that I'm sick of the lazy-ass "hollywood sucks always no matter what" drivel that apparently passes for cynicism that's informed and reasonable these days. |
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Renaisance Otaku
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:04 am |
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Um no. There were several others after you. The only reason I addressed you is you made the statement when all of maybe two people made a blanket statement. Most of the discussion was about legal issues and the concern of how this being an adaptation of an adaptation would fair. You were backed up by several others who also seem to think a little cynicism isn't justified. So you weren't "the only person". Heck, there were about as many people expressing your frustration as those saying the film will suck.
So I'd say we're in the same boat. I was basically saying complaining about people complaining is rather unneeded. We're both tired of people complaining about stuff we see no reason to complain over. I apologize if it looked like I was targeting just you.
Resorting to poking fun at a typing error in my screenname was uncalled for, however. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:27 am |
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| Renaisance Otaku wrote: |
Resorting to poking fun at a typing error in my screenname was uncalled for, however. |
I appear to have overestimated your sense of humor. My deepest apologies sir. |
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Renaisance Otaku
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:34 am |
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| You appear to have overestimated plain text's capability to convey such humor. That's what the emoticons are for, I suppose. Your posts could be read either way. Apologies as well, sir. |
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hikura
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| ABetterTimeandPlace wrote: | | hikura wrote: |
To a degree Macek did come up with characterization for the entire series of robotech.He developed the story arc for robotechnology,protoculture(the power source) and the the whole masters plot line involving the invid which did not exist.Also to a degree Robotech itself is orginial to a point.Yes it is derived from three different shows it was put together to create something new |
Again, we're seeing the inherent conflict of Robotech. It is simultaneously praised for being both original, and yet praised for being accurately derived from something else. At best, it is partially original, and partially accurate.
| Quote: | | Like taking barely,hops and water and getting beer. |
The barley, hops, and water analogy implies that the three original anime series were raw, unfinished products. A better analogy would be taking one acclaimed hit story and two much less popular stories and merging them with sometimes inconsistent editing. Because, that was exactly what it was.
| Quote: | | The macross saga of robotech was not to hacked but other parts was. The inconsistencies of the science part is part of a fictional story.Fictional science is just that..not real..fake..hence why it is called science fiction. |
Robotech added more inconsistencies on top of the stories that was already there. A plot point would be described in one episode, only to be described as something else entirely in the next episode. The added narration would either over-explain the story--accidentally spoiling a plot surprise, or contradict what is actually seen onscreen. People's ranks and unit organizations would changed within the same scene. Being science fiction is not a blank check for adding internal inconsistencies or plotholes. |
I never said it was a fully independent story.I am fully aware of it's roots.But without someone putting together it wouldn't have existed.I personally never really liked how the story in general was handled(hence why i prefer the orginial japanese).
Once again.Please know the defination of fiction.It isn't meant to be 100% accurate.No science fiction is.It is meant to be a story.Your suppose to enjoy a story for the entertainment value. While yes i do agree there was plot holes and inconsistencies. |
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ABetterTimeandPlace
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:31 am |
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| hikura wrote: | | Once again.Please know the defination of fiction.It isn't meant to be 100% accurate.No science fiction is.It is meant to be a story.Your suppose to enjoy a story for the entertainment value. While yes i do agree there was plot holes and inconsistencies. |
No one said fiction had to be 100% accurate, and no one here defined it as such.  The issue is that Robotech added more unnecessary inaccuracies--ones that did not serve the story or make it more entertaining. They were just dubbing or editing mistakes. Fortunately, those weren't in the AnimEigo and ADV's releases of the original anime. For one reason or another, many of those mistakes were not corrected in the remastered version of Robotech.
Those are separate from internal inconsistencies and plotholes, which Robotech also added. Again, being science fiction--or even just fiction--could be an reason for some external inconsistencies, but it is not a blank check for internal inconsistencies and plotholes. |
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zetsuie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:38 am |
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i like robotech because they have airplanes that transform into giant robot's as long as there is that the movie will be good enough said
plus i might get a new robotech game for the 360 and that's always a plus |
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Renaisance Otaku
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:30 am |
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| ABetterTimeandPlace wrote: | | [For one reason or another, many of those mistakes were not corrected in the remastered version of Robotech. |
Heck, I remember watching episode 27 of the remaster (I was vehemently opposed to it, and still think it the biggest insult to both fandoms). They actually created a new one. Basically RT originally cut Hikaru's admission of love, and the remaster restored it. The problem is that in a later scene they have him thinking about how he should, but just can't, admit his love to her. So while this work's in RT the Remastered doesn't because he's worrying about something he's now already done! |
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sailornyanko
Joined: 22 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:02 pm |
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But will the spaceship battles be well animated?
Few pieces of animation ever made and WILL ever be made can beat the awesome space battle scenes of the Macross: Do you remember love? movie.
Knowing how Hollywood likes to crank up battle scenes a la Resident Evil 2 where your eyes get so dizzy you just want the action to speed up so that you can actually see something, this part of the film will definitely be a stinker.
I can kinda imagine Tobey as a good Ricker Hunter. The guy has the word NERD written all over his forehead.
But, who could make a good Max Starling? That guy is a BISH.  |
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