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NEWS: 2 Adult Anime Labels Team Up to Fight Illegal Download

I think Kleckner's problem (and most anime companies) delusion is that what is available on the internet and whom actually download it are huge in percentages but actually are miniscule compared to the number of dvds that they sell. It's like the RIAA and MPAA-2 paranoid groups that would have us belive that internet piracy is rampant and is seriously cutting into their inflated profits-sorry-facts just don't bear this assumption out. So if Kleckner wants to get in my face-I say bring it on.

According to everything I've ever seen published or managed to dig up, that's entirely incorrect. Simply factually inaccurate, not supported... um, wrong.

So what you got? I would love to see some kind of evidence. Anything, really, ot back up a statement that dvd buyers outnumber downloaders, especially that they do so significantly. But everything I've ever seen says the exact opposite.

So. Source, please.

I would simply suggest you do a google search on that subject and read all the items on it-I have and belive me-it's true.

I've done google searches, library searches, journal searches, asked people, chatted up anime store managers. You made the claim, do the google search for me, and prove that you're correct.

browse

I like hentai, but if it's between the choice of normal porn which I can get for free LEGALLY on the internet and hentai, which charges anywhere from $20-$40 for a DVD with 2 episodes or less on it and in some cases isn't even unedited from the original japanese version, I'll stick with normal porn and fansubs.

That's too much to blow on something which I'm not even sure I'm gonna like. I can't return it if I'm not satisfied with it. Would any person with common sense pony up $30 for something without knowing if they really will enjoy it? If I REALLY like it, I may pony up for it if I have the money. But at those insane prices, the ones I buy are few and far between.

I think it reflects highly in CM's connection with fans that none other than Mr. Kleckner himself is willing to get into a thread arguing over illegal downloads and defend his property. It doesn't seem right to compare this action to the blatant extortion the RIAA has perpetrated on music downloaders (and sometimes old ladies who never touched an mp3 in their lives!) I don't see a broad net being cast here, or a team of angry lawyers itching to pounce on anyone who looks like they might've clicked a link they shouldn't have, but rather a plea to fans to help pinpoint websites who are offering direct rips of the product which Critical mass and Adult Source have on the market.

This isn't even like ODEX, who basically attacked anyone they thought might be downloading anime, including content they didn't even have rights to!

All noble fights considered... With all calls to "End The Free Rides" aside...

It's the "You Saw Them, Now Pay Up" mentality versus the "Don't Want To Be The Last Kid On The Block" mentality.

The latter: The argument was right when it was like, "We see it on TV for free here. So why put money on it?" But then that argument's been countered. I got a few more good counters.

Cable is one example. You pay every month to see more shows that are better than on TV. The producers for cable shows state that it's okay for them to gather under four million viewers (because they still get paid). Around four million for syndicated TV shows; and said shows that aren't doing well will get cancelled like it's title is "Arrested Development."

Another example is when anime, like Moe-tan and Dokuro-chan, have either these "no-shows" or "longer censoring (than necessary?)" respectively. These producers, directors, and syndicators KNOW that these shows are popular. So why do their fans favors while money can be made from them? An underhanded tactic, yes. An underhanded tactic that works? Depends of the shows and how people feel about them.

Finally, there's human nature. Sex and something for free (without one's own effort). That's what people want, naturally. Atleast the second part. So yeah. Of course the people who want everything for free are going to be paranoid over the idea (or fact) that they're gonna be dragged from their homes and forced to pay thousands of dollars.

Me? I atleast paid for the DVDs when I get the money. (1 to 3 titles per month, mainly adult, a graphic novel or two...) And I'm saddened that there aren't more people like me who have enough monetary power to influence the decision-makers over at the Japanese anime industry.

Hell. I couldn't even get the money to go to "JETRO's Roundtable Meeting" in San Francisco. Sad

So yeah. I'll continue to repeat this: "Pay for what you like."

The adult anime industry had lost Green Bunny. Pink Pineapple had shut its doors to the R1 market. And everyone else who cares are either doing worse than what they should (on purpose), or postponing their releases until... ...um... ...maybe never.

NezuChiza-
It really helps to look at the post count. The regulars here can be rough. Dormcat is a huge contributor to this site & probably can be counted on to be right about stuff. I think he's at or near the top for contributors to the site if you go over to encyclopedia & click contributors.

And whoever I was arguing with a couple pages back (I kill chicken?), I don't have a problem with fansubbers outside of the fact I see it as something that has outlived its usefulness. In the old days (trudge thru snow story)-most of the fanzines I subscribed to were typed. If the person was lucky, they had a word processor. There's a dif between a fan in the '70's lovingly transcribing the dialogue from homemade audiotapes & sending them out to people. maybe at a modest price to cover the cost of printing the material & mailing it to other fans when videotape was non-existant in the home market. In the dark days of anime when people passed around their home-fansubbed copy of this or that anime. when it still had the friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend word of mouth fragile existance, when you would show it to a roomful of your friends or clubmates, it was a very, very different thing to translating a title & putting it on the internet for people the fan-subber will never, ever meet in their lifetime(& probably doesn't want to). It is that blatant theft that galls me. John Animefan1990 had a far smaller impact than Joefansubber2007.
Not only that, but the number of times liberties are taken, then som poor little "fan" who doesn't know any better comes to these sites screaming about how the fansubs are superior becuase the official dvds censor the foul language that was added by the fansubber to make it cool or relevant. I've seen screencaps where the DBZ crew are swearing like sailors. That may be fine & well for the younger set, but I seriously question the language we'd hear used by some of the DBZ characters. Vegeta was a prince with a large ego & an alien to boot. Like the old Battlestar Galactica(have never bothered with the new) or Mork & Mindy, a swear to Vegeta would probably sound like jibberish to us.
So not only are they taking something that isn't theirs in the first place to offer to people which they have no right to do, they are altering a piece of art. As someone who appreciates artwork, I don't really like people making these kinds of changes. If one watches the subtitles on DBZ, one will notice Goku & Chichi speak in a rather uncultured "hick" style while Vegeta & Bulma use a more proper manner of speaking. It actually reminds me of a passage from Fred Saberhagen's "Thorn" I believe where Merlin has become a street person & has fallen to all the foul language & not washing, etc, as a way to distance himself from those who knew him in his glory before he was cursed--when he is located by Dracula, he catches himself swearing & reminds himself he is once more moving in polite society where such language isn't acceptable. I have far more faith in the licensees, who often have access to the original script, catching such a subtle difference than fan-sub groups racing to see how fast they can post their translation.

THere is no need for fansubs to advertise titles any more than people should be making copies of any of these titles & selling them, even for a minimal price, on the net. Just because you're a starving student or whatever, you don't have the god-given right to anime, a piece of art someone else has created.
It's also pretty much a no-brainer that it's cheaper to pay a couple starving actresses to writhe around on film than it is to animate a couple eps of an anime so if all you want is sex, the live stuff is probably cheaper, though maybe more difficult to portray all the stuff you may want to view (tentacles?) . Ultimately, it's probably also cheaper to buy porn anime/movies than a prostitute considering the number of times one can view the porn vs uses of the prostitute (usually per act from what I've heard)

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