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NEWS: Man Pleads Guilty to 'Anime' Pornography in New Zealand


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configspace



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:19 pm Reply with quote
bigAzman wrote:

Please don't lump New Zealand in with the insane laws of Australia.

For example the legality of Pornographic materiel from wikipedia
< ... >

It's still not assuring at all since it only covers "softcore". Many live action porn and hentai sold in the US and Europe are still illegal in NZ. Obviously what's criminal or not is left up to puritanical whims. For example, in New Zealand these are banned:
Puni Puni Poemy
Ikki Tousen Dragon Destiny

See http://www.censorship.govt.nz/DDA/Pages/Screens/DDA/WelcomePage.aspx
and use the Search function.
Even pure text stories are not spared. And you'll notice that the banned list grows every month. And that's the stuff they become aware of incidentally, mostly through travelers; which is why the banned list has items like computer picture files and text files, and misc. games.

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Also from the news article something the judge said,
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He said the nature of the material was "extremely disturbing", but the fact that it was cartoons put it in a different category from other pornography that involved real victims.


So at least the Judge recognized the difference between cartoons and real people.

While it's some good news for his case, allowing some discretion since he's not a citizen, it still doesn't change the law, where NZ citizens don't have the option of deportation. It's not even a rational reason in the first place, since there are still absolutely no victims with all the commercial live action porn in the rest of NZ's extensive banned list.

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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:23 pm Reply with quote
AnimeDuelist15 wrote:
This is just stupid. As long as it is Hentai and it is not Loli Hentai, he should be let go.

Although ikillchicken already said something about it...

ROTFLMAO

Going to be good reading tonight.

As for the topic at hand, please refer to the bold above.
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ArthurFrDent



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:58 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
I'm more surprised people still buy porn (outside collecting doujinshi, which is perfectly fine). Seriously, the only people I can think of who would are old people who don't know about the internet and are computer-challenged.


And this makes precisely no difference. If it's illegal to possess it, it's also illegal to view it... because your browser makes a temp file while you are viewing it. You just never know when you will be part of a sting op. where they would come after you for viewing stuff.

Seems like a fairly draconian law... I wonder what they would do if you brought a copy of the fisherman's wife woodblock from hundreds of years ago from Japan. Would they consider it art? Or burn it?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:58 pm Reply with quote
The country which gave us Meet the Feebles has no right to be prosecuting this guy.
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Psycho_Despair



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:08 pm Reply with quote
Kinda sad, the poor guy must have been looking forward to watching them at home. Just shows that males can't fap in peace anymore.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:32 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Bestiality? The only ero anime I know that has that in true form (not monsters or tentacles) is Family of Debauchery episode 1.

DocWatson's Hentai Fetish Database does list some more (although a lot of them as "pseudo" animals)
http://www.editgrid.com/explore/user/docwatson/H_genre_lists_20090115

PurpleRan wrote:
This is ridiculous. What's the problem with a man's choice in porn? Hentai or not, loli or not; it's his own goddamn choice. The guy's 22, he's perfectly apt to chose what to masturbate to.

TitanXL wrote:
AnimeDuelist15 wrote:
This is just stupid. As long as it is Hentai and it is not Loli Hentai, he should be let go.

Yes, as long as these fictional drawings are of a legal age, then it's perfectly fine.

If it is against the law of the land then it is illegal whether you, he or I thinks it is or not. It doesn't have to contain underage sex to be obscene.
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ScruffyKiwi



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:48 pm Reply with quote
AnimeDuelist15 wrote:
This is just stupid. As long as it is Hentai and it is not Loli Hentai, he should be let go.


Anything glorifying rape has always been illegal in New Zealand. And why would it be ok if rape was shown on an adult but not a child?

Note that there can still be rape scenes in movies in New Zealand .. it just can't be graphic or seen to glorify rape.
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Dagon123



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:01 pm Reply with quote
*sits back, grabs bag of popcorn*

Its times like this where I feel more and more like Guy Fawkes, lol
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peachsncreamsoda



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:53 pm Reply with quote
How did anyone find the videos?
I didn't see it in there anywhere....


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"cartoon films, known as 'anime', [that] depicted scenes of rape, abuse, and bestiality"


I've heard worse cases.

Though bestiality.... yeah...
('course that could have just been some minor part in, whatever it was he was watching/had and really, was just added in there for simply being there in the video.)

Aside from that, just seems like your normal hentai stuff.
(though I disagree with the whole rape/abuse thing, I do consider that relatively normal in a way)

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However, Judge Raoul Neave did not grant the discharge, noting that he was concerned about issues raised in Zhang's pre-sentence report,


Wonder what that coulda been.
Probably nothing, but I hope it wasn't like some sort of serious mental health issue that would be cause for concern, or something where he might actually be, not so normal. Which so far is what this all seems like to me.

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The judge is giving Zhang time to address the issues before he hands down a sentence, so that he might consider discharging Zhang without a conviction.


The judge actually sounds pretty understanding. Which I think is just awesome because lately... you just havn't been seeing that from people when it comes to anime and the law.

I feel really bad for the guy. I imagine he must be a tad embarrassed by all this Sad . Totally hope everything goes smoothly and this guy can catch a break and finally get back to normalcy.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:01 pm Reply with quote
Another idiotic thought crime. And make no mistake, that's just what this sort of thing is: thought crime. It's not really the drawings, it's what someone is *thinking* while viewing those drawings that the authorities are oh so anxious about. Getting off on the wrong sort of imagery? You are obviously a danger to society! Decent folk don't look at... at *that*!

Yeah, another puritanical law aimed at making the self-righteous feel good about themselves. Pathetic.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:26 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
AnimeDuelist15 wrote:
This is just stupid. As long as it is Hentai and it is not Loli Hentai, he should be let go.


What? Why?. I can at least understand when people come in here and claim that all these things should be illegal (even if I think they're dead wrong) but why on earth would you make one legal and not the other. That's just wildly inconsistent.


i think as long as you don't hurt anybody. it should be ok to watch whatever that you want. All the Laws are make by people, and those people can be wrong too.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:30 pm Reply with quote
As a New Zealander I am ashamed that this has happened. A Chinese student who wasn't hurting anyone has now been humiliated and may well be punished for possessing something that should never be illegal and probably isn't. It's persecution against someone who has done nothing wrong.

The judge may be pretty understanding compared to others from similar cases but he should have thrown this case out immediately.

I've snuck things past both New Zealand and Australian customs before and never gotten caught. Not DVDs mind you (let alone pornographic ones), and nothing too illegal, but for example stuff that contravened both country's biosecurity laws. Same thing in America, where I could (and did) get away with . . . things, whereas a Hispanic friend I was travelling with on Amtrak got repeatedly harassed by the police.

My point is, racial profiling is everywhere, and New Zealand is no exception. If Xiran Zhang was actually a white New Zealander he never would have had his DVDs checked let alone been arrested. If you are Caucasian you can get away with a surprising amount, up to a point. Then you have to be rich, ha hah.

Oh wait, that's not a joke. Damn.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:25 am Reply with quote
Psycho_Despair wrote:
Kinda sad, the poor guy must have been looking forward to watching them at home. Just shows that males can't fap in peace anymore.


just males?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:02 am Reply with quote
Spotlesseden wrote:
i think as long as you don't hurt anybody. it should be ok to watch whatever that you want. All the Laws are make by people, and those people can be wrong too.


'course, the people who think the laws are wrong, they're just people too.

But that never seems to get mentioned.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:29 am Reply with quote
nargun wrote:
Spotlesseden wrote:
i think as long as you don't hurt anybody. it should be ok to watch whatever that you want. All the Laws are make by people, and those people can be wrong too.


'course, the people who think the laws are wrong, they're just people too.

But that never seems to get mentioned.

Yeah, because that goes without saying. People who actually make laws should be a little more accountable for their dumb opinions.
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