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configspace
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It's one thing when people decide what they want to do for themselves, which I wholeheartedly support. But that is almost never the case when you say that. What really happens is that people are actually deciding what they want to do to other people, whether it's 51% dictating what 49% others do, or 99% to 1%, or the complete reverse, or the state dictating to its citizens. Speaking out against use of force--tangible, adverse, involuntary/non-consensual action--as well as supporting individuals to defend or get away from such force is never meddling. In fact one can call it anti-meddling! That's right when you say one country shouldn't meddle with another. But replace "meddle" with force since that is exactly what it entails. And if you're principled about that, you'd have to be consistent, to apply it at any scale or level. Therefore people--a single individual, a group, a city, a country--shouldn't "meddle" with, aka force another, anywhere. In fact one idea lost today is governments operating only with the consent of the governed, but "the governed" isn't one homogenous group of people who agrees 100% on everything. So if you really, truly, want to support "letting NZer's decide for themselves" or any country's people decide for themselves--and again, if you're principled about it--then that means advocating what each individual New Zealander decide what he/she wants for him/herself. Maybe one citizen wants to watch these porn videos, great. Maybe another doesn't, great. Maybe one citizen wants to build a gay club, great. Maybe another wants to build a mosque, great. Maybe one wants to practice self-flagellation and fast, great. Maybe another want to get high, great, and so on. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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And that *is* how I view things, just as you described it. Politically, I'm pretty close to being a libertarian, and the same is true socially, too. I think grown adults should be able to do whatever the heck they want, so long as they don't harm others in doing so or force to do things against their wills. To me, that's what freedom is all about. If individuals choose to do something and it turns out to have negative ramifications, then they need to accept that, learn from it, and move on. At most, the State (or other people) should warn them -- I support informed decisions -- but no force or coercion should be involved. I think the people of New Zealand are wrong for allowing this law to exist, but it is not my responsibility to change it. I am not a New Zealander. I would be happy to see it changed, but ultimately it is up to those involved to decide to change it. |
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Spotlesseden
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So are you ok with Malaysia sentenced sentenced an American to death for owning Marijuana? As a visitor to Malaysia, is he subject to Malaysia laws as a whole? |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
Posts: 3524 Location: Bellevue, WA |
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Of course. That is why if you intend to visit a foreign country, it's a good idea to be aware of what sort of laws/government it has, because you *are* subject to those laws while inside the country. Some countries have agreements with one another about how to deal with citizens from those countries, but barring such agreements, you're totally subject to the laws of the nation you are in. |
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TCJJ
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Maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of New Zealand laws are dumb. They tend to make up things that are more detrimental than they realise. I'm sick of living in New Zealand because the government never seems to know what on earth they're doing, no matter who the Prime Minister is.
Maybe it's worse than anyone could imagine, but it seems like the guy's "crime" is being made out to be a lot worse than it is. |
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Jedi Master
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Too late... 
On a serious note, I find it sad and ironic that this guy probably worked hard for years to get out of China, a country whose government many hold in contempt of various human rights violations, only to potentially get his life ruined by an intellectual thought crime law. With his visa suspended, he could very well be headed back to China. |
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TarsTarkas
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Really think the U.S. should issue travel restrictions on travel to Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. Computers, laptops, storage media, DVD's, flash drives, books and magazines should not be allowed when traveling to those countries. Obscenity laws by their very nature are subject to interpretation, so when nations start enforcing their obscenity laws at the border and start arresting travelers for their personal use media, red flags for travel to those countries should be raised.
Especially for nations that routinely randomly scan laptop drives and other media as part of the customs procedure. |
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