| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
|
Splitter
Joined: 19 May 2003
Posts: 511
Location: Knockin' on Heaven's Door
|
 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:05 pm |
 |
|
| Tyrenol wrote: | | Can it be true? Is Japan finally manning up? |
How is preempting an episode "manning up"? The way I see it, it looks like cowardice. Even if the show is related to the events, how does that make it responsible? Someone already mentioned Jack Thompson so I won't bring that bag of crap up for everyone to sniff. Look, fictitious works are just that. Fiction. Not real. It's this own stupid bitch's fault for letting herself be influenced by a cartoon if that really is the case!
| Quote: | | The anime industry should stop joking around. They need to stop pushing the envelope of bad taste like the rap industry. |
Anime's been pushing the envelope for ages. Berserk aired the Eclipse nearly ten years ago. Elfen Lied went unpunished despite scenes of child molestation and graphic vengeful amputation. Higurashi isn't violent for the sake of violence. Anyone who's been watching the second season could tell you they've been taking much, if not most of the series thus far to flesh out the story. This isn't just a killing spree. This is a complex intellectual mystery and deserves more respect than you seem capable of giving it. |
| Back to top |
|
|
blind_assassin
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
Posts: 755
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:12 pm |
|
|
| Tyrenol wrote: | Can it be true? Is Japan finally manning up?
The anime industry should stop joking around. They need to stop pushing the envelope of bad taste like the rap industry.
And while it's sadder to see "When Cicadas Cry More" get stalled than "School Days," people over there must regain control of themselves.  |
You're being ironic right? Please tell me you're making a joke.
| Quote: | Back in 2001 the first run of FMP was delayed for almost half a year due to the 9/11 attacks.
|
Yadda yadda cue me saying "FMP should've been canceled for other reasons than 9/11" or something so I can discuss this seriously.
Being reasonably poorly informed about the actual murder and the impact of said murder is part of the reason I care so little. So far all I've been getting (due to my lack of looking for anything else) is "axe murder = ruined week of anime" and though I don't have much empathy or real sympathy for those involved I would kind of like to know what the whole story is.
I bet that after all the dust settles we'll all find out that the murder really have absolutely nothing in common aside from involving teenagers. Considering that Higurashi took flak too I'd say that Japan is just sort of flailing around and doing random things that don't really have any effect on what happened. |
| Back to top |
|
|
Inoji
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:14 pm |
|
|
| hara wrote: | There was hardly any violence in Higurashi second season so far, that's why I cannot understand why they would need to delay it.
Seriously, I read that every day a person is killed in New York - and Hollywood's still continuing producing action movies. And Japan is making such a fuss about one tragic incident (it is a cruel thing but it's not like Higu Kai is responsible for it). |
The upcoming episode WILL be violent for Higukai 12.
This isn't just one tragic incident. News have said this girl dressed in black before attempting to murder her father. Do you remember anyone in black in School Days?
Yes, I understand about the United States. No one cares if one person dies unless it's an important figure. In Japan though, with crime rates rising a bit, it is a big problem to them. It was big news when the English teacher from Europe was murdered as well. In Japan, they take murdering very seriously.
These days in Japan, there are crimes of kids killing parents and parents killing kids. Japan is trying to be as safe as possible. |
| Back to top |
|
|
DmonHiro
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
Posts: 394
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:24 pm |
|
|
Yes, and I am sure that delaying anime will make the world a safer place. Look, how many people in Japan even watch anime, except the otakus and kids? And this whole "she killed couse she saw an anime about it" is a load of bull
If I come to you once day, and tell you to jump of the Empire State Building, and you actually do it, is it my fault? No, it's YOUR fault for beeing a crazy SOB and doing what some random idiot tells you to do. Actually, anime does not eve do that, it does not come and say "Hey little girl, go kill your father with an axe like in last weeks episodes of Higurashi". Even if it did, it would STILL be the fault of the dumb bitch for listening.
PS: We had "Nice Boat", now we have "Good Dinner", any bets on what's next?
Last edited by DmonHiro on Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
| Back to top |
|
|
angel_lover
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 645
Location: UK
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:27 pm |
|
|
| Inoji wrote: | | Japan is trying to be as safe as possible. |
In that case, they should ban all television, movies, games, websites, etc.
There's insensitivity and there's downright cowardice. Maybe showing 'Towering Inferno' on 9/12 would have been insensitive, but putting 2 series on hold because of what 1 crazy girl did is just cowardice. The station bosses should do the honorable thing...
Last edited by angel_lover on Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
| Back to top |
|
|
tasogarenootome
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 261
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:27 pm |
|
|
I can't blame Tokai for the preemption, they did what they thought would be best given the situation.
But still...damn! After last week's episode with evil Droopy, things were about to get very exciting.
Oh well, Higu's a 26 episode series, they'll prolly just air it next week. |
| Back to top |
|
|
CCSYueh
Joined: 03 Jul 2004
Posts: 1911
Location: San Diego, CA
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:44 pm |
|
|
Jeez, so they delay an ep of a frickin anime out of consideration to someone or something. They did it with that Buffy ep(was it Columbine?) & when they finally aired it months later with warnings all over the place about "viewer discression advised", I saw no similarityes to a Mayor turning into a dragon/demon & a melee ensuing, but they still had the right to pull the ep. Look at 9/11. My teen loved Invader Zim & 9/11 saw that title pulled for weeks & it never really made a comeback. We had several shows delayed.
I'll tell you, my husband died of a heart attack just a few weeks before the Buffy's mom dying ep & watching it was really, really weird. Japan is somewhat more insular than the US & I'm sure more than one news station carried this so the ep airing doesn't JUST affect the immediate family. What about friends/schoolmates of the girl? Are they all NOT going ot watch tv for a week out of respect for yuour seeing this episode? How about the cop's co-workers? None of them can watch tv & thus feel this might be in bad taste? Screw their feelings? You aren't even part of the picture for Japan to even care since I assume this is all the download crowd crying. Why should Japan worry whether you can watch this show on schedule or not?
You'll see your stupid show. Can't you just respect the feelings of others once in awhile? Even if the station is over-reacting & there are no similarities & they're just covering their butts so they won't get a ton of hate mail. (Or the sponsor. How do you think they'd appreciate "Dear Raman-maker, Your commercial running during that episode was horrible taste & I will never buy your product again!")
If you're that upset, start your own letter campain to let them know how incredibly thoughtless it is of them to pre-empt this show you've been downloading for weeks & deserve to see the ending of. |
| Back to top |
|
|
Inoji
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:48 pm |
|
|
| angel_lover wrote: | | Inoji wrote: | | Japan is trying to be as safe as possible. |
In that case, they should ban all television, movies, games, websites, etc.
There's insensitivity and there's downright cowardice. Maybe showing 'Towering Inferno' on 9/12 would have been insensitive, but putting 2 series on hold because of what 1 crazy girl did is just cowardice. The station bosses should do the honorable thing... |
You live in the US or some other countries similar. This is your reason on your opinions. People in the USA or other countries similar are completely used to the fact that if one person died, they wouldn't care. The only time they would care is when an important figure dies.
Like I said, crime rates are slowly rising in Japan. That one crazy girl did exactly what Kotonoha did. In a black dress, she got an axe (supposed to be a saw) and sliced the right neck or whatever on her dad while she witness him dying. Similar to School Days the game? Yes. Then again, I can't argue with the bunch of anime fanatics who loves this stuff.
I blame it on the kid who absorbs what she sees, experience, and plays. 
quote from the girl-"I did it because I hated him." "I didn't like his relationships with women."
I don't know what the dad did, but people said he was a good father especially his wife and daughter.
quote-"He was a kind and calm loving father." |
| Back to top |
|
|
DmonHiro
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
Posts: 394
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:54 pm |
|
|
| CCSYueh wrote: | Jeez, so they delay an ep of a frickin anime out of consideration to someone or something. They did it with that Buffy ep(was it Columbine?) & when they finally aired it months later with warnings all over the place about "viewer discression advised", I saw no similarityes to a Mayor turning into a dragon/demon & a melee ensuing, but they still had the right to pull the ep. Look at 9/11. My teen loved Invader Zim & 9/11 saw that title pulled for weeks & it never really made a comeback. We had several shows delayed.
I'll tell you, my husband died of a heart attack just a few weeks before the Buffy's mom dying ep & watching it was really, really weird. Japan is somewhat more insular than the US & I'm sure more than one news station carried this so the ep airing doesn't JUST affect the immediate family. What about friends/schoolmates of the girl? Are they all NOT going ot watch tv for a week out of respect for yuour seeing this episode? How about the cop's co-workers? None of them can watch tv & thus feel this might be in bad taste? Screw their feelings? You aren't even part of the picture for Japan to even care since I assume this is all the download crowd crying. Why should Japan worry whether you can watch this show on schedule or not?
You'll see your stupid show. Can't you just respect the feelings of others once in awhile? Even if the station is over-reacting & there are no similarities & they're just covering their butts so they won't get a ton of hate mail. (Or the sponsor. How do you think they'd appreciate "Dear Raman-maker, Your commercial running during that episode was horrible taste & I will never buy your product again!")
If you're that upset, start your own letter campain to let them know how incredibly thoughtless it is of them to pre-empt this show you've been downloading for weeks & deserve to see the ending of. |
Hey.....it's you again.....I missed you since the Kodomo No Omocha thread. Your posts still amuse and I thank you for that.
I will agree on the networks covering thier butts, that's only natural. But I think is DUMB to not air something because of "similarity" to an acutal case. I find it hard to belive that the only thing "cancelable" was School Days/Higurashi. What, were those the only shows in Japan to have young men and women kill eachother with axes. I'm exagerating cause neither SD not Higu is a killing fest. It's well developed plot that ALSO has axe murders, but that's not the central point of the show. The central point is a jerk screwing women/someone ploting the demise of somthing (still not clear Higurashi on that one) |
| Back to top |
|
|
who_is_friend
Joined: 06 Oct 2006
Posts: 259
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:55 pm |
|
|
| CCSYueh wrote: | Jeez, so they delay an ep of a frickin anime out of consideration to someone or something. They did it with that Buffy ep(was it Columbine?) & when they finally aired it months later with warnings all over the place about "viewer discression advised", I saw no similarityes to a Mayor turning into a dragon/demon & a melee ensuing, but they still had the right to pull the ep. Look at 9/11. My teen loved Invader Zim & 9/11 saw that title pulled for weeks & it never really made a comeback. We had several shows delayed.
I'll tell you, my husband died of a heart attack just a few weeks before the Buffy's mom dying ep & watching it was really, really weird. Japan is somewhat more insular than the US & I'm sure more than one news station carried this so the ep airing doesn't JUST affect the immediate family. What about friends/schoolmates of the girl? Are they all NOT going ot watch tv for a week out of respect for yuour seeing this episode? How about the cop's co-workers? None of them can watch tv & thus feel this might be in bad taste? Screw their feelings? You aren't even part of the picture for Japan to even care since I assume this is all the download crowd crying. Why should Japan worry whether you can watch this show on schedule or not?
You'll see your stupid show. Can't you just respect the feelings of others once in awhile? Even if the station is over-reacting & there are no similarities & they're just covering their butts so they won't get a ton of hate mail. (Or the sponsor. How do you think they'd appreciate "Dear Raman-maker, Your commercial running during that episode was horrible taste & I will never buy your product again!")
If you're that upset, start your own letter campain to let them know how incredibly thoughtless it is of them to pre-empt this show you've been downloading for weeks & deserve to see the ending of. |
For the record, that Buffy episode was "Earshot", which dealt with someone bringing a gun to school. It was preempted for that reason. Nothing in the next Higurashi episode will deal with kids killing, and nothing in the next batch of episodes will deal with axe murders. Episode 12 isn't the ending of the arc, episode 13 is (and will deal with the titular Minagoroshi, Massacre). |
| Back to top |
|
|
therealssjlink
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 112
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:21 pm |
|
|
Hey, at least you'll actually be able to see the episode eventually.
When Pokemon preempts an episode, the episode NEVER gets aired. |
| Back to top |
|
|
Ramadahl
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 323
Location: MK, UK
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:25 pm |
|
|
| Splitter wrote: | | Don't compare a screwed-up girl to a world-shaking tragedy involving the loss of thousands of lives. |
He didn't. He mentioned another occasion where an anime airing was delayed due to real-world events.
| CCSYueh wrote: | | You'll see your stupid show. Can't you just respect the feelings of others once in awhile? Even if the station is over-reacting & there are no similarities & they're just covering their butts so they won't get a ton of hate mail. |
Um... well, yeah, respecting people's feelings is nice and all, and I'm sure we all do that. However, I also try to give people respect by not treating them as if their skin is so thin it'd struggle to block alpha radiation.
So I'd probably say that even if the station itself isn't being a little silly by going OTT, the situation where it has to take such measures to protect itself is stupid in the first place.
Still, I'm not bothered - the stuff'll show later anyway, it's not as if it's like, I dunno, a relatively harmless manga series that gets such a fuss kicked up about it the distributors drop it, or anything... |
| Back to top |
|
|
Chrno2
Joined: 28 May 2004
Posts: 1272
Location: USA
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:37 pm |
|
|
I checked out the story of 'School Days' just to get an idea of the story. Never would have thought that a show that was labelled "drama", "romance" would have some crazy-assed ending. I guess things aren't always what they seem. And I had to watch some 'Higurashi' just to find out what all deal was with "killer lolis" and that one girl that's always smiling with a meat cleaver in her hand. WTF, was that all about? I now know but not enough.
But my gawd! What the hell goes on in some people's heads these days? Guess this ranks up there with that one guy who killed those girls and they blamed his actions on his "tastes" in reading. This is the type of craziness that causes various types of media to get banned because they believe that it causes some sorts of psychological problems.
I mean does it seem today that people are just having reasons to be looney? Is it that some people are affected by what they see while other's aren't? We all grew up watching violent shows, but has anyone felt the need to just hack someone up because they felt like it? Or because they got the idea from a show? It seems this is all we're hearing these days. If it's not the video games it's TV shows or cartoons. Especially anime. Because you know those Japanese they're all a bunch of pervs, because their cartoons are violent and feature nudity, especially underaged nudity.  <sarcasm>  Better ban that 'Totoro' cartoon it's got minors bathing with a grown man. No wait that's their father. Even worst.  Oye vay! Cripes!!
WACO, Oklahoma, 9/11, Columbine, Virgina Tech, Beavis and Butthead and every other ***ed ups story you can come across... I wish I really knew what goes on in the minds of people these days. We're going backward, forward, backward, forward...and on and on and on for as long as the world exists.
Or maybe we are all a little crazy. |
| Back to top |
|
|
naruto fan 09812
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 499
Location: Chicago,IL[english second lang]New motto:Why even bother?
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:41 pm |
|
|
| I do not care what people said that certain violent shows do not make you do violent acts in real life. Because,its do and not everyone is the same. Sure,maybe you do not go on a violent rampage when you see an ultra violent show. But some do and this material sometimes cloud their judgement. And that why things like this happens. |
| Back to top |
|
|
Ramadahl
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 323
Location: MK, UK
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:54 pm |
|
|
| naruto fan 09812 wrote: | | I do not care what people said that certain violent shows do not make you do violent acts in real life. Because,its do and not everyone is the same. Sure,maybe you do not go on a violent rampage when you see an ultra violent show. But some do and this material sometimes cloud their judgement. And that why things like this happens. |
Uh, you didn't just say "See, TV made her do it!" without any detailed knowledge of the case, and also ignoring the general messages of both the articles referenced and the thread itself, did you?
Thank goodness I know well enough not to bother trying to debate it with you... |
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Anime Castle
Robert's Anime Corner Store
AAA Anime Distribution
Big Bad Toy Store
