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crilix
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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:14 am |
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| Zac wrote: | | ~in before someone makes a stupid "in before" comment that characterizes everyone who doesn't like this show as a tired stereotype |
~in before someone makes a stupid "in before" comment that fails to recognise Kanon as one of the founding fathers of the genre which spawned all the 'stereotypical' series distinguished ANN editors know and hate oh-so-bluntly. |
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Calculusman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:19 am |
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| angel_lover wrote: | | Shiroi Hane wrote: | | "When they Cry" and "Rumbling Hearts" were both pre-existing English titles or subtitles for the properties in question and their use was mandated by the Japanese licensors. |
That's kind of the point I was trying to make, but evidently failing badly  Although "Kanon" seems like a perfectly good title, who knows what Engrish monstrosity the licensors might come up with.
BTW, I'll give you Kiminozo but not Higurashi - I didn't think the "When They Cry" title was pre-existing. |
"Rumbling Hearts" was pre-existing as well I believe. |
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Grico
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:57 am |
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| Glad to hear it, I was delaying getting the fan subs because I would prefer to be somewhat surprised when it is coming out in the US and I am buying it (although having seen the original series the basic plot will certainly not be much of a surprise). Hopefully they do the every month release strategy they are doing with Air, as it is hard to even wait that long between discs for Air. Air has been alot more enjoyable this time around than on the fansub (even though I did like it the first time) and the much better picture quality certainly doesn't hurt. Who wants grainy fansubs when you can get dvd quality video? |
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HitokiriShadow
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:37 pm |
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| Calculusman wrote: | | angel_lover wrote: | | Shiroi Hane wrote: | | "When they Cry" and "Rumbling Hearts" were both pre-existing English titles or subtitles for the properties in question and their use was mandated by the Japanese licensors. |
That's kind of the point I was trying to make, but evidently failing badly Although "Kanon" seems like a perfectly good title, who knows what Engrish monstrosity the licensors might come up with.
BTW, I'll give you Kiminozo but not Higurashi - I didn't think the "When They Cry" title was pre-existing. |
"Rumbling Hearts" was pre-existing as well I believe. |
Er, he said that. I'm not sure on When They Cry but I'm pretty sure it was used in relation to the series at some point in Japan. And it's not much of a name change anyway. It's a translation, although a tricky one that attempts to capture the ambiguity of the Japanese title.
In any case, since it's a one word title in English, just like Air, and neither of the other examples were ADV titles or Kyoto Animation/Key titles.... I'm not sure what the point was. There is no reason to believe that ADV will release it as anything other than "Kanon". The "2006" or "'06" was only used by fans to distinguish it from the original and was never part of the title.
| Quote: | | Wow. Geneon is under the gun, while at the same time, ADV releases Air and acquires the license to the Kanon remake. I'm pretty sure Daryl Surat of AWO is going to have some really funny opinionated remarks in the next episode of the podcast. I can't wait to listen to it when it's posted. I surmise it's going to be hilarious. |
Yeah, maybe he'll try to be real witty and call everyone who likes it a pedophile again. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:38 pm |
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| crilix wrote: | | ~in before someone makes a stupid "in before" comment that fails to recognise Kanon as one of the founding fathers of the genre which spawned all the 'stereotypical' series distinguished ANN editors know and hate oh-so-bluntly. |
If you're just referring to me, that's fine. I'm allowed to not like this show.
But don't characterize everyone who works here that way. Bamboo, our managing editor, routinely gives these shows good scores in her column, Shelf Life.
So let's not make blanket statements, okay? |
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Mohawk52
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Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:42 pm |
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| ~in with a bucket and mop to clean up all the moe/lolicom drooling, salivating, and excretions of any other bodily fluids. |
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Ongaku_no_tenshi
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:31 pm |
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| HitokiriShadow wrote: |
| Quote: | | Wow. Geneon is under the gun, while at the same time, ADV releases Air and acquires the license to the Kanon remake. I'm pretty sure Daryl Surat of AWO is going to have some really funny opinionated remarks in the next episode of the podcast. I can't wait to listen to it when it's posted. I surmise it's going to be hilarious. |
Yeah, maybe he'll try to be real witty and call everyone who likes it a pedophile again. |
I don't know. In their review section in show number 59, they were all pretty much in agreement that "When They Cry: Higurashi" was a show that was really good and was worth buying. I would be lying if I said that I wasn't shocked to hear that from them.
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But don't characterize everyone who works here that way. Bamboo, our managing editor, routinely gives these shows good scores in her column, Shelf Life. |
Hey Zac, I was just curious. For the sake of conversation and also relevance to this topic, I wanted to know what your views on that statement was. I always wondered myself if there is an "air of exemption" from moe/lolicon accusations surrounding female anime fans who like shows like this that male anime fans could never be considered of having. After all, it is my personal opinion that not all male anime fans who like shows like To Heart, Air, and/or Kanon watch them for their "moe-ness" or whatever other terms maybe thrown in with that. Let me know what you think.
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CloverKuroba
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:30 pm |
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| WOO-HOO! Kanon 2006 got liscensed! Yes! I love this series, it's better than Air (which is pretty good, but not great) IMO. I'm extremely excited about this and I can't wait to hear a preview on TAN (which will probably happen). Again, yay! Thanks ADV. |
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tasogarenootome
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:16 pm |
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| angel_lover wrote: | | BTW, I'll give you Kiminozo but not Higurashi - I didn't think the "When They Cry" title was pre-existing. |
"When They Cry" is the subtitle that appears in English under the big logo and the 07th Expansion Presents on the games. I think that's why Geneon was asked to use it.
Good news for Kanon fans, saw the Toei version and wasn't impressed, but still it's nice that ADV is taking a chance on a niche show. If it shows up on The Anime Network, I may just have to watch... |
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CloverKuroba
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:19 pm |
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| tasogarenootome wrote: |
Good news for Kanon fans, saw the Toei version and wasn't impressed, but still it's nice that ADV is taking a chance on a niche show. If it shows up on The Anime Network, I may just have to watch... |
While I enjoyed the Toei version, I have to say 2006 beats it bar none. I'd reccomend you give the 2006 version a chance. |
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darcerin
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:04 pm |
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HOORAY! While I"m not totally shocked, I'm thrilled it's been confirmed. 2006 was WAY better than the original, and I think I cried 10x harder at the end of this version.  |
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tempest
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:43 pm |
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| crilix wrote: | | 'stereotypical' series distinguished ANN editors know and hate oh-so-bluntly. |
Well, we probably all (all 3 editors that is) hate the stereotypical ones. And the genre unfortunately is rife with stereotype. But not make the mistake of thinking that we hate the genre.
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Ahasuerus
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:46 pm |
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Ongaku_no_tenshi,
| Quote: | | After all, it is my personal opinion that not all male anime fans who like shows like To Heart, Air, and/or Kanon watch them for their "moe-ness" or whatever other terms maybe thrown in with that. Let me know what you think. |
I know you asked Zac to weigh in on the larger issue (and hope he does), but allow me to confirm your opinion: You are absolutely right.
I picked up on Kanon after watching Lucky*Star episode 22 (Kanata's story), after someone compared the emotional content and story of both as being of very high quality. As you infer, it had NOTHING to do with "moe" or "loli" or whatever convenient genre people can think of to pigeonhole things into (to save them the trouble of actually thinking for themselves).
It seems so easy for a cynical person to glance at promotional pics, then criticize the series as if they'd actually WATCHED it. I didn't even watch L*S for it's loli-ness (or whatever LOL) but for the randomness and insight into Japanese culture. But that one episode told such a heartfelt and bittersweet story that resonated with me (and a LOT of people) and so I moved on to Kanon after the recommendation. That was the reason. One idiot said it was "a sissy anime" so one can safely assume that he (and others like him) missed the point due to his very narrow mind, cold heart, and calloused nerves. He isn't alone.
Its strong, emotional storylines win the day for me; I laugh at those who decry it for being a loli-fest. More fools they; they missed a wonderful, touching story. But people like that are most likely thick-as-a-brick types and wannabe machos, and therefore emotional, deep stories will fail to impress or move them, so they stoop to the much easier schoolyard tactic of mock/deride/castigate. So lame.
The lovely character designs were intended to be girls (and GUYS) of high school age, so it really should come as no surprise that they look their age  Honestly some people will say and do anything to denigrate that which other people like but they do not. Therefore, they should be considered biased and their opinions irrelevant with regard to (y)our enjoyment of a genuinely evocative story such as Kanon's. Look at ANN's encyclopedia entry for it, and tell me, who do you think is "right"? 
I won't watch an anime BECAUSE it has loli content or moe-ness, but if an anime happens to include those aspects within the confines of a great story, I won't let it stop me. Story is EVERYTHING. But I won't stoop to categorizing things in order to appear superior  Would these people be happier if creators stopped putting small, cute, female children in their animes just because some simps don't like the word "loli" and point to any character like that as being one? It's so tired already 
If one person don't like another's taste in anime then that's fine, but ridiculing others for it is just grade-school
Ironically (as to the animes mentioned in your quote), I have both Air AND ToHeart lined up to watch tonight  First time for both, based on Kanon's story-type recommendations, thus again proving your point.
Apologies for this post''s length; you touched a nerve I'd been wondering about myself lately, what with "loli" Higurashi, "loli" L*S, "loli" Kanon and so on ad infinitum ad nauseum. Talk about a word that's lost all meaning
Regards. |
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bci110
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:55 pm |
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I didn't see it posted on this thread yet, so I'll share some information I discovered about the Kanon release:
According to David Williams as revealed at AWA, ADV plan to solicit the first volume of Kanon in January 2008. The series will have a monthly release schedule just like its sister series Air. No information was revealed as to whether there will be an artbox for the series, but I would probably say that it's highly likely that there will be an artbox for Kanon.
As far as the English dub track is concerned, when Mr. Williams was asked whether the actresses that played the three Kanon characters that made cameo appearances in Air (Jessica Boone as Nayuki, Brittney Karbowski as Ayu, and Tiffany Terrell as Makoto) will be in the series, he gave the infamous "neither confirm nor deny" response, which as most of you know means that he has information that they (ADV) do not wish to divulge just yet. I'm also assuming that Kyle Jones will be the ADR director for Kanon since he directed the English dub for Air. I'll be very surprised if Kyle (or another ADR director) did not get the same VA's to reprise their roles, but you never know. |
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tasogarenootome
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:15 pm |
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| CloverKuroba wrote: |
While I enjoyed the Toei version, I have to say 2006 beats it bar none. I'd reccomend you give the 2006 version a chance. |
I think I'll take you up on that reccomendation, the animation is lovely and I'm hooked on Last Regrets! ^-^
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Its strong, emotional storylines win the day for me; I laugh at those who decry it for being a loli-fest. More fools they; they missed a wonderful, touching story. But people like that are most likely thick-as-a-brick types and wannabe machos, and therefore emotional, deep stories will fail to impress or move them, so they stoop to the much easier schoolyard tactic of mock/deride/castigate. So lame.
...(sorry, cut for length)
If one person don't like another's taste in anime then that's fine, but ridiculing others for it is just grade-school
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You said you don't like people to ridicule others for their tastes, but you appear to be doing just that to those who are vocal about not liking this genre? This genre sure attracts a lot of passion on both sides apparently, which is what turned me off to it in the first place (heaven forbid you speak ill of Air on teh interwebs.)
Don't worry about those who "ridicule" you for the genre you like, just enjoy it and let the show's quality speak for itself. |
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