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OGT
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I addressed this in the bit you quoted, actually. I'm still a bit unclear on the Akio Watanabe/Poyoyon Rock thing, so thanks for clearing that up. edit: Also, I heard it from Internet Rumor Machines, which grind away daily and never stop. The Industrial Revolution at its finest. |
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Chrno2
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Well, I was talking about that too, which is why I said "forced". But you're right. Haha. But blatant rape should have been my biggest gripe and it is. Gawd, my mind is not in great shape this week. I need sleep. Last edited by Chrno2 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:35 am; edited 1 time in total |
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PaladinBlue
Posts: 63 Location: Billings, MT |
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Unless I missed something along the way, I've seen no one mention the Abh women in the Sekai series. They're just plain-old badass, even the ones who don't get much screen time (granted, there may be exceptions; been a while since I saw the TV series, but there are none in the first two Crest novels). Of course, as per the description of their race, most of them are also very attractive.
Madlax (from her namesake series) is also quite the strong woman, yet, for wearing military-style field clothes most of the series, remains quite feminine. She does fight a couple of times in an evening gown, and appears nude a couple of times (+ all the closings), so the fanservice is there as well. And I should not go by without mentioning the ladies in Nanoha. Hayate, Nanoha, and Fate are near-ruthless during combat, and are all extraordinarily powerful (the DBZ guys would bow before those three). Subaru, Teana, and Caro aren't that shabby either in their individual disciplines, and neither are Hayate's Wolkenritter. Now, you want some bad Asian cosplayers? Here you go. Straight from the streets of Harajuku. |
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Bika-chan
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Anthy is more Indian than Black and Nadia believed that she was born in Africa and wanted to go back, which was her goal for the most part, but yeah... |
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Iconoclast
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I'm shocked you haven't mentioned Balsa from Seirei no Moribito, Answerman. Have you not seen this show? I never seen a stronger and more positive female in anime ever.
 That person should totally show her daughter this show.
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The Xenos
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Damn. There was a really crappy Japanese cosplay of V for Vendetta. It awesome to see a Japanese cosplayer do a crappy version of an American comic book character. (Well, I guess British / American character.) Wish I remember where I saved it. |
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fuuma_monou
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Well most shoujo manga editors are still men, despite the manga-ka being mostly women these days. Not that many female anime directors either. |
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Jerseymilk
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Yes I admit that that pic you linked is very weird.  Yes I've seen those types complained about. The other examples I've seen people mention as "remotely human" that they don't like are the ones where the person looks extremely ethereal. Like where the picture is so hazy and the person so completely free of any flaws on their face and body, that they look "angelic". But as I said, it doesn't bother me personally.
ikillchicken:I wonder if it's something I'm giving off tonight that makes people misconstrue what I'm saying.... :/ When I mention "accurate as possible", obviously the majority of the human race doesn't weigh 100 pounds and have 42 DD breasts. Or has a chest the width of a blackboard. I was referring to those sorts of unrealistic physical traits that a lot of anime characters have in their designs. As for examples of good North American cosplaying: http://www.pikminlink.com/EndlessRealm/endlessrealmcosplay.html http://www.just-a-dream.net/galleries.html http://www.limebarbcosplay.com/cosplay/costumes.htm http://stacy.deviouskitty.com/ http://www.tristencitrine.com/costumes.html http://www.aimeemajor.com/images/costumes/ Lots of galleries there for you to peruse. And my statement was in direct response to you saying you've seen little evidence of good cosplay from Americans. That was the point I was making. |
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Axe-336
 Posts: 143 Location: Springfield, VA |
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Oh, while it was a little biased I think, that article still hurt my soul.... Hurt it with its truthfulness. But I've seen dang good american cosplayers before, its just that the convention goers take pictures of ANYONE and so people don't feel a need to put in a ton of money and effort. Oh, as to the third question, that is 100% true and I think I know why. I think that men and women feel like they know jack squat about the opposite gender and our culture creates media barriers of what is appropriate. Those barriers disappear with anime. Think about it, like Zac said the American anime community is very big into not caring about target audience (Which I think stems from it starting as "Watch what you can get") so people within the community aren't going to care what you're watching and those outside won't know what you're watching. If someone walks in, and you're a guy watching Gilmore Girls, you're gonna get teased or laughed at probably. However, a non-fan walks in and see's you watching, say Fruits Basket, without knowing what genre it is or anything, they won't know, they might even be tricked into watching it. As a result of the barriers disappearing, while fans originally watch shows of the intended audience originally, I think they eventually gravitate towards shows that explore the opposite sex if for no other reason than they haven't ever read or watched a story in that area before and so its new and interesting. So yeah, guy's liking girl elements and girls liking guy elements is totally normal. Heck, why do you think so many people like Escaflowne? The first episode is first half Shojo last half Shonen and the series goes back and forth throughout. |
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Jaebird
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Gokusen. I love this show. Nothing like a female teacher (or so she's trying to be) who's also a mob queen basically. As others have mentioned Sailor Moon & Wedding Peach, I'll throw Pretear into the female role model recommendations. Himeno is a strong role model, I think. And unlike a lot of other series, the guys need her help, more than she needs theirs for anything. |
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UtenaAnthy
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I do complain about male characters being portrayed as sex objects all the time (though not on this particular forum because I don't post here that much), also one of the driving ideas of feminism is that behavior should not be treated as masculine or feminine, as a feminist I don't object to knitting or the colour pink or other things that dumbasses think are feminine, I do object to the notion that if I like to wear trousers or play sports I'm somehow less of a person because of it. It's deeply prejudiced to suggest that all women must be feminine, femininity is a bunch of bullshit social conventions meant to oppress women and have them look as though they love it. There are some things that some people think are feminine that are underrepresented in anime, such as talking about problems instead of fighting over them, but this is something that everyone should be doing, not a show of femininity for women. |
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ArielTsuki
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Because all BL titles are feminine looking men, amirite? There's plenty upon plenty of BL titles that the men look like men. Still attractive? Yeah, but that's not the problem we're discussing here. It's not the problem that the girls in mang/anime look attractive but being attractive as their only purpose for fanservice or whatnot. Besides, most women are more attracted to guys that look a bit more androygous side. And all not of BL is all about the forced sex either nor it used literally but figuritively most of the most time (nor forced sex is exclusive in BL since hentai and yuri do the same thing too). But like I said eariler, that is just one small thing in a big picture. If you read enough BL titles, you would notice that the relationship, most of the them are on an equal balance, or at least striving to be on that level despite what sexual position they end up in. Most of shoujo don't even bother since most of the time the main heroine is looking for a prince on a white horse as the ulimate wish-fulliment dream or in shounen, women tend to be useless or damsel in distress. I remember someone on this thread talking about wish-fulliment fantasy for each sex and how they equally unattainble. I kinda disagree on that one, find a sensitive male is a lot more easier than finding a helpless woman, especially nowadays, men are allowed to show and express emotion because it's a human trait, although most have a problem in that ara since they're taught it's "maniler" to suck it in. I find it alot less insulting than a helpless woman, which more likely not to exist, especially nowadays. People keep saying that men are treated as sexual object but never really explain it. MorwenLaicoriel explain it a bit, although that is a small part of a big community and it's really up to one's own interpretation. Last edited by ArielTsuki on Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:15 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Swissman
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Portrayal of women in anime is usually, for western standarts, conservative, even in case of characters which on the surface seem strong-willed and masculine, like San in Mononoke Hime. By that I mean that the japanese culture industry is permeated by patriarchy and female characters in anime usually are mere representations of what japanese patriarchy thinks of femininity. Patriarchy deals on a narrative level trough the voice of female characters what femininity is supposed to be (or not), or the characters are put in situations which makes them more "feminine" or reinforces ideas about femininity (for example, many strong-willed main heroines loose, sooner or later, faith in themselves or show other weaknesses which makes them more fragile, more "feminine" and in touch with what japanese society sees as appropriate for women overall. Another hint of reinforcment of the feminine is a bond with nature).
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ichido reichan
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well, do you want female heroines? Gallforce? Bubblegum crisis?
come on, is not THAT hard to look around.... |
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RodimusBen
Posts: 25 Location: Harrisonburg, VA |
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I frankly fail to see what the problem with so-called "sex object" female characters is. As a previous poster said, anime is meant to idealize reality. An anime like Witchblade is targeted at a male teen audience, so why wouldn't they want to make her as sexualized as possible?
I consider myself a strong feminist and I have no problem with women being used for fan service. I do distinguish between the frail, submissive women (I can't stand them) and powerful women like those in Witchblade, Ghost in the Shell, and many many more. It seems to me that people think "power" in women has to happen with the absence of sexuality. |
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