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CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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That's 1 store manager. The guy who runs the anime shop in the valley told me about 6 months before Kerero Gunso was licensed it would NEVER be licensed. He wrote One Piece off about a year before 4Kids announced they were dropping their dub. There's another store owner opinion for you. (I suppose that counts as store manager) I spoke with a store manager of a Suncoast back when Hellsing was being released (2003?) & the person HATED Hellsing, claimed it wasn't selling for her store & she could see why with the crappy art. daedelus-- THat's Amazon's sales ranking. The number of dvds pressed has squat to do with that. If 1000 people order a dvd from Amazon, Amazon will get it's hands on 1000 copies. The sales rank shows how many people are ordering When They Cry from Amazon & it's obviously less than Kyo Kara Maoh which is an incredible title. I commented somewhere aobut the cliffhangers they always managed to end the dvds at for awhile & someone else commented they noticed it also. It's a fun & exciting alternate world title in it's way plus it has the whole bishie harem & yaoi thing going for it (We all know slapping the cheek is the standard way to ask someone to marry him, don't we? So almost the bishiest bishie of the title(really toss-up with Guenter) in the title has been engaged to our Demon King Yuri from the-what 2nd ep?- of the show. I mean, Wolfram saved a bunch of sick guys just with his looks, didn't he? But that also relates to Kenotic's comment about the wait. 2 months is STANDARD. ADV has been known to bump up releases to about 6 weeks at the end of a title. Viz can make one wait 3 months, or put out 2 of one title every other month. When Conrart died protecting Yuri at the end of one of the dvds back there, all of us Kyo Kara Maoh fans had to wait for the next dvd 2 months later (&, in fact, did we get anywhere on Conrart on that one? Did we have to wait longer? We dragged that whole thing out for something like a year, didn't we?) As I said, Kyo Kara Maoh loves ending the dvd exactly in the worst place (Bishie bleweding to death? Tune in 2 months later to find out what happens) HitokiriShadow- So maybe Geneon thought if fansubs are advertising as all the downloaders always insist, they didn't need to advertize it. I knew about Shonen Onmyoji from Newtype so when Right Stuf listed it, I dropped it in my cart where it sat for maybe a month until I put together a deal with their Got Anime coupons. I didn't need to see an ad. If fansubs are advertizing, then it being announced as licensed was on all the usual places (ANN, Anime on DVD) so it shouldn't need an ad, right? All those downloaders should just buy it if they loved it enough to be downloading it? I know I did watch a few titles on ADV's anime on demand & very rarely did it influence me to buy something I didn't plan on buying. Madlax was a title I really didn't think I'd like & I made it thru 6 eps before I abandonded the effort. Tutu I did like, but I probably would have bought it thinpak as I just did Kaleidostar 2(1 was too damned fluffy) So maybe it shows downloading isn't as much of an advertising tool as some insist it is. Fewer downloads of Saiunkoku, yet the title has done worse than a shojo title half as many people should be buying. Maybe it's a reflection of the largely female target audience that maybe fewer gals download, or maybe more gals who download buy what they see. I know the comment I've seen from retailers is the gals go in, grab what they want & leave. (These are the shoppers, not the teens using the bookstore as a library which is more similar to downloading in its way). I don't have the time or desire to run all over town looking for a good deal-been there, done that in the dark days of Hellsing & CCS being released hitting Wherehouse, Best Buy & Game Stop just trying to find a copy (never seemed to be out on the release date. One Best buy clerk informed me to come back in a few days, stuff like anime wasn't high on Best Buy's "Get it on the shelf" like the hit movie being released that week. Whenever they get to the box...) I don't particularly remember seeing any more ads for Shonen Onmyoji than for When They Cry or Saiunkoku. Maybe the reasoning Geneon used in licensing these "loser" chick titles was the fanbase was loyal. Maybe gals are willing to gamble that first dvd purchase more than guys? Less picky, more willing to accept whatever harem bone an anime licenser is tossing our way? ADV & Funi still don't seem to have it. ADV licenses a lot of younger girl titles & seems to use that as their indication female titles don't sell (Yes, Princess Tutu is an incredible title. I'll still take Kyo Kara Maoh, Saiyuki, Shonen Onmyoji, or Saiunkoku over Tutu anyday. Hell, I'll take Fushigi Yugi even with the having to wade past Miaka-Duck is probably just as annoying in her way. More Bishie for the buck) ADV & Funi still seem to feel guy titles are the way to go & it probably is since gals will buy them. Yes, guys buy shojo, but it seems more a guilty sneak-it-in-the-house-watch-when-no-other-guys-are-around thing. I've seen the beating guys get when they admit on a aboard to enjoying Gravitation (it is really funny). |
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ikillchicken Subscriber Posts: 2513 Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go! |
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Wait though, whats the confusion here? That sounds completely correct to me. "they will not be restocking shelves with Geneon product even if it is in warehouse storage for distribution. Geneon product that has not been completed and is not relicensed by another US distribution company will end without being completed." As it stands now this is true. It omits the fact that Geneon could still find a new distributer. However, at this point that seems unlikely. Its really more of a hypothetical as I see it. |
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| CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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My point was more
Stuff in the warehouse will be sold somehow, someway. The company won't eat the loss, even if we see one last blowout sale somewhere so that even if they're taking a bath, it won't be as much of a bath. Hellsing Ultimate 3 IS being distributed on 10/16. It isn't going to sit in a warehouse somewhere. |
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| ikillchickenSubscriber Posts: 2513 Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go! |
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| Theres a few things that haven't yet been released, but which will be shipped uppon release. However the only stores getting those will be the ones who have aready placed orders for them. But as it stands Geneon is not taking any more orders than those already placed (for both existing and soon to be released products). Its possible that Geneon will have some kind of final sale to clear out any left over product they have, but right now there is nothing definite planned. It could all potentially just get "tossed out" if Geneon lacks the recourses to organise a clear out sale. | ||||
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| CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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| Sure they could just toss out stock, but usually business will sell it. Even if they don't exactly distribute it & just sell the lot to someone else sort of like when we saw that one place clearing out a bunch of CPM titles for a buck each a year or so ago. Sort of like bankruptcy sales--Lot 1 going to the highest bidder. | ||||
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| ikillchickenSubscriber Posts: 2513 Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go! |
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| okay okay, Im just saying though that there is currently no way for stores to aquire more Geneon stuff. Who knows how it will happen, there very well may be a way in the future. There isnt going to ever be a way for them to restock and maintain Geneon products on a regular basis though. Plus nobody knows when or exactly how Geneon would sell its excess stuff off. Possibly (maybe even likely) they will at some point be able to get some more Geneon titles. For now though they can't so thats what they're telling people. | ||||
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daedelusSubscriber Posts: 655 Location: Texas City, TX (ajd: 6/11/05) Bio on page 18 |
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Well, I bought the 3rd volume of Hellsing Ultimate OVA LE with the Anderson figure yesterday(Sunday) at my local Best Buy, so it is already being distributed. 
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it sitting there on the shelf.  |
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| ikillchickenSubscriber Posts: 2513 Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go! |
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| Yeah that doesn't suprise me a bit. Now that Geneon has stopped taking orders they just want to get everything shipped out and done with as soon as possible. Also as soon as stores get it they're gonna put it out there for sure. | ||||
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doc-watson42Subscriber Posts: 776 |
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Note also that (IIRC) Amazon.com's sales ranking is compiled daily, and is not cumulative, and so is not a good indicator as to an item's sales. (If anyone has information to the contrary, please—prove me wrong! ^_^ )
I'm one of those guys who buys shōjo and does not sneak it into the house (except when I'm feeling guilty about not yet paying the rent to my housemate)—but I'm weird; I like pretty much every genre/demographic of anime. (However, shōnen ai and yaoi—such as Gravitation—tend to make me want to slap the cold, apparently emotionless seme upside the head and shout at him "He loves you! You love him! So show him, GODAMMIT!" Though of Gravitation, I've only seen the OAV.) |
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| CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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| Yeah, I noticed because when I looked yesterday When They Cry dvd 3 was #6521 while 1, 2 & 4 were in the 20,000 (meaning it could be a scarce volume on the streets so people turn to Amazon when their local Best Buy doesn't have it).
I had planned to buy the set of Basilisk, but then my teen insisted we had to get the cool wooden box since we missed getting it for SDK so I had to scramble to get the limited editions she wanted with the cards & I think I missed #2 so it's the regular edition in my set. We're probably seeing something similar here-people who were waiting for the box trying to put it together. |
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| guardiansun Posts: 2 |
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| This is precisely why people need to wise up. The industry as a whole is changing, and we can thank the people who do nothing but download fansubs for this. If you don't put your money where your mouth is and support the companies putting out the material, they will have no material to put out. Companies don't have the money to add the bonus material anymore, because cost to put out extras on a dvd are a stretch for these companies.
I hope that the general public starts to wise up on this subject and begins supporting the industry, or things are going to change in ways that no one will like. |
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Porcupine Posts: 1033 |
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| I don't know if someone mentioned this already or if this is important or not, but I already saw Hellsing Ultimate 3, lots of them, on Suncoast/Sam Goody shelves everywhere yesterday. I didn't see the Fate Vol 6 with Clock though, so I just bought the regular edition of Fate Vol 6. At Best Buy today I didn't see anything remotely new, not even Fate Vol 6. I think it just depends on your particular Best Buy store and whether or not they like to put things out early or not. Some do and some don't.
On a slightly different note, something recently occured to me. Is it possible that these last-generation Geneon releases (Fate Vol 6, Hellsing 3, etc) will end up being very short-printed in a sense? Because if Geneon is closing down distribution right after these titles are released, the initial shipments are all that there is ever going to be. That makes me think that in the end, far fewer copies of these volumes will be put out, and things might turn out to be annoying in the future even though these titles did release. I also picked up the Geneon Popotan boxset yesterday, no idea if this show is good or not but the spine picture made me buy. |
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Varkyle Posts: 8 |
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One can also make a better compare and contrast arguement than to state an obvious sarcastic reply... What I was hoping is not Geneon to make a thin pack, but in hopes that if whomever else does decide to pick up the license to it would in fact make a thin pack for it. I've read that ADV might consider picking up some of the titles that Geneon might loose. B) Seriously check your facts =P Geneon has released some thin packs. Tenjou Tenge got released a thin pack... Tenchi Universe got a completed box set recently... you sure you've done your homework on this? http://www.imageanime.com/ |
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| doc-watson42Subscriber Posts: 776 |
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It was reported by a poster on the AoD Retail forum that they have yet to receive their special edition of Fate/Stay Night Vol. 6, and they inquired of TRSI's Shawne Kleckner when they might expect it. IIRC, Dark Lord Kleckner had not replied as of early yesterday morning. (My memory of the inquiry is a bit fuzzy, so I refer readers to the TRSI threads in that forum for the full story.) Also, Fate/Stay Night volumes 3 and 5 are apparently already sold out at a number of the more prominent on-line retailers, per another AoD Retail thread. |
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| Varkyle Posts: 8 |
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Awwww... I just ordered Fate/Stay Night volume 1 and the limited edition of volume 6 from another site other than Geneon... *crosses fingers* hope they hold up to their name and actually have them in stock to be delivered. Man I'll need to shop for volumes 2-5... *goes through the links* *edit* Yippie... ordered volume 2-5 for 19$ each... which is slightly better than the price of 24.99$ that Best Buy has them for... |
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