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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:08 pm Reply with quote
britannicamoore wrote:
Zac wrote:
Wanna tell me what manga you're talking about here? Because I have no idea.


Negima. the scene I brought up was from vol 15 period 137

Ah. It goes something like this.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:19 pm Reply with quote
Last I heard Gene Simmons is vehemently anti-drugs, but I haven't really kept up since the early 90's.

Metalocalypse reminds me so badly of Lemmy Killmeister. Motorhead had like 1 song they kept rehashing & it was so braindead...
I never much liked thrash--Megadeth ws about as far as I went that direction. I think I have an old Anthrax cd. Dio, Whitesnake, TNT, WASP, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Omen, Lizzy Borden, Azlan, Crimson GLory, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, LA Guns, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken, Metallica, Waysted, Rainbow, Tesla.

I'll watch Spinal Tap anyday over Metalocalypse.

I never thought of the vamp in Negima in that light. She's one of those games like Interview With a Vampire-a child's body, but she's older. "She's not a minor" technicality (She's legal).
Of course, I gave up on Negima in Vol 1 because it seemed to be Love Hina extreme--a shouta boy lead & a bunch of borderline (14-they're not 12, right?) young girls? It seems to be just one step in that Jikan slope-Negima was obviously topping something, then something has to top Negima & there will be something down the road that has to top Jikan-maybe a 5 yr old?
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ultrapostman



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
ultrapostman wrote:
So, in order keep myself interested, I'm switching to the anti-Knj/lolicon side. My opinions haven't changed in the slightest; I'm just doing this for kicks.


Thanks for publicly announcing that you're basically trolling and are now "switching" to another side of the argument "for kicks". I'd be happy to boot you out of here for this, so consider this your "don't do that" warning.

If you're tired of the conversation, go read a different thread.


Trolling= deliberately making inflammatory statements that have no conversational merit in order to piss people off.

What I'm now doing= taking a different stance in an arguement because I'm tired of repeating the same thing to people who obviously won't change their minds.

I admit that saying I'm doing this "for kicks" could seem like trolling, but I'm genuinely interested in debating with a new opinion in order to see what it's like. Like many others, I've grown bored of the perpetual debate on lolicon, but instead of giving up, I decided to instead try and defeat the very arguements I used to use. I understand that you fervently oppose lolicon, Zac, so you probably can't imagine defending it, even if it wasn't serious. I'm not going to post some crap like "Teh lolicon is 4 pedos! Rolfchopter!!". I intend on condemning it just as well, if not better than, yourself. Or are you upset because I'm not serious about an online debate?

If I actually start acting like a troll then feel free to ban me, but until then please don't jump to conclusions.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:25 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
I never much liked thrash--Megadeth ws about as far as I went that direction. I think I have an old Anthrax cd. Dio, Whitesnake, TNT, WASP, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Omen, Lizzy Borden, Azlan, Crimson GLory, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, LA Guns, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken, Metallica, Waysted, Rainbow, Tesla.



Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that Black Sabbath is thrash metal?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:49 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:

ArielTsuki-

Even if one's superiors want to sweep it under the carpet, one can go outside their power. Aoki Sensei could take her to a shrink. Obviously whatever he's doing hasn't changed her behavior, has it?
Not to mention, is it that CPS in Japan is a joke, or media portrayal is? How many Medical Examiners are like Quincy? I was watching Cold Case the other day & the medical Examiner in that segment said it's a joke how they're portrayed in the media. She's never done any of that stuff-chasing down the suspect or whatever. How many laws does the average tv cop break in any given episode of any crime drama? I thought Japan at least pays lip service to supporting all those child protection standards of the UN even if their entertainment industry has genres undermining it. We saw crack-downs on risque manga aimed at girls. I hear the Japanese PTA is a force to be reckoned with-Bobobo allegedly met an early demise after attracting their attention.

As an adult who has had to teach her own child, at some point most adults will put their foot down & say "STOP IT!" No blushing. No mincing words. A few times may be cute, but once it gets to be completely irritating, an adult orders the child to stop. He has more power than she does. It wouldn't continue for chapters.


It's not in his power to take Rin to a shrink. This is NOT America. Stop trying to think that the school system works in the same way. It doesn't.

I wish it was just a media portrayal but the faculty is really like that in Japan. I would recommend you to read a blog, Gaijin Smash, about a guy who spent years in the JET programme in Japanese middle schools, which they find people to help out English teachers in Japan. You would see that what I say is depressingly true. Plus the increasing bullying in school in Japan isn't some joke, it's happening and teachers AND parents don't do anything because they rather not discuss it or acknowledge it. That's why there is an increase of suicides among young people in recent years.

And they do protect children in real life. That doesn't or shouldn't cover for fictional children because they are not real. I mean, damn, they might as well to stop showing people shooting people because it endorse people shooting others... oh wait.

Aoki-sensei does firmly but his foot down, but no one takes him seriously (he IS a newbie teacher after all). Reiji, Rin's uncle, is too focused on his own issues. So there's no one to really discipline Rin
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:35 pm Reply with quote
I said he looks like Gene Simmons, not that he acts like him. I've never really been a big KISS fan though. I suppose we have different tastes in metal. While I certainly love Black Sabbath, Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica, G-N-R, and some random Hair Metal. I guess I'm more of a fan of Thrash/Death/Groove/Power Metal, although 3 of the above bands are thrash. Sepultura, Slayer, Pantera, Ankla, Lamb of God, Black Label Society, DragonForce, Daath, Machine Head, Soulfly, Chimaira, Arch Enemy, DevilDriver, Obituary, etc.. Its all good though. Rock On! /m/
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:21 am Reply with quote
ultrapostman wrote:

Trolling= deliberately making inflammatory statements that have no conversational merit in order to piss people off.

What I'm now doing= taking a different stance in an arguement because I'm tired of repeating the same thing to people who obviously won't change their minds.

I admit that saying I'm doing this "for kicks" could seem like trolling, but I'm genuinely interested in debating with a new opinion in order to see what it's like. Like many others, I've grown bored of the perpetual debate on lolicon, but instead of giving up, I decided to instead try and defeat the very arguements I used to use. I understand that you fervently oppose lolicon, Zac, so you probably can't imagine defending it, even if it wasn't serious. I'm not going to post some crap like "Teh lolicon is 4 pedos! Rolfchopter!!". I intend on condemning it just as well, if not better than, yourself. Or are you upset because I'm not serious about an online debate?

If I actually start acting like a troll then feel free to ban me, but until then please don't jump to conclusions.
You know? I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. I was going to argue in favour of loli com, but everytime I tried my food kept coming up into my throat and I had to swallow it back down really hard like. That's how is affects me, and I can not change that, not even in jest.
No one can be a parent to a child, whether girl, or boy , and actually want to view anything like this in any media. If they do, they should have their child taken from them in the interest of that child's safety.
Until you have children of your own you will never understand that, and by supporting it you become every parent's nightmare.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:53 am Reply with quote
ultrapostman wrote:
CCSYueh wrote:
I never much liked thrash--Megadeth ws about as far as I went that direction. I think I have an old Anthrax cd. Dio, Whitesnake, TNT, WASP, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Omen, Lizzy Borden, Azlan, Crimson GLory, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, LA Guns, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken, Metallica, Waysted, Rainbow, Tesla.



Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that Black Sabbath is thrash metal?


No. as a chick, I was probably more into "hair bands", but I went for bands based on their vocalists. Black Sabbath I got into after discovering Dio since he replaced Ozzy & I never really listened to much of theirs outside of the albums he was on. I did get a couple Rainbow he wasn't vocalist on.
KGB had a show on everyweek called metalshop so I heard a lot of bands & had over 500 albums & cd's. Being San Diego, they pitched Megadeth (Mustaine spent time in Lemon Grove) & Ratt (originally from San Diego, but by the time they hit it big, they were more LA locals) & I believe TNT had a San Diego lead singer.
Thrash just sounds like so much goblin-speak. It seems more for people who like the music over the words because it's really hard understanding the words.

Slayer-I bought 1 lp because, like Motorhead, they only had one song that jumped out at my tastes. Machine Head I've heard of. Pantera I may actually have an old lp of....But the cool think about metal is it is less poseur--more whatever the listener is looking for, not rainbows & teardrops & stream-of-consciousness. It doesn't give a rat's rear about what critics or outsiders think of it-just the fans.

ArielTsuki-

Japan is a very foreign place to most of us. I've read stuff like GTO & thought they were extremes (speaking as someone who had her share of being bullied in the past. 6 months in a school where each class maybe had at the most 5 white kids & having to be driven to & from school when I lived 1 block away because the kids threatened to beat my "White paddy" ass after school only taught me prejudice is stupid no matter what color the face spitting it out is. And I never saw the point in self-murder.

Yes, we all know avoidance is a big thing in Japan. I just thought they really backed all that "protect the kids" stuff, however it does make sense their culture is more powerful. I've had social workers come here talking about the difficulty of working with this or that community (Chaldean, Hmong, etc) & getting past their beliefs to report family violence, etc. We even have the same issues-how our CPS swings from leaving the families intact, then a kid dies, then they remove all the kids, then a foster parent kills a kid, so CPS jumps back to leaving the family intact.

So I obviously couldn't read Jikan. I gave up on Boys Over FLowers, went back, gave up....Jikan would piss me off. I couldn't playthat game.
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:55 pm Reply with quote
Case wrote:
I am not the least bit surprised. This is virtually the definition of the word "bias"


I'm bemused by your insistance that there is an editorial bias against moe and loli on ANN. Not only have you not actually managed to point to any instance of this alleged bias outside of opinion pieces but you also seem not to have noticed that ANN is buried under an avalanche of J-List adverts - and J-List seems to make a pretty large chunk of its income pushing child abuse and rape porn in the form of hentai manga, anime and computer games.
Surely if the editorial bias you suggest existed, ANN wouldn't be even peripherally involved in the promotion of pedophile pornography by hosting such ads?

Case wrote:
and it's what I've been complaining about among ANN's reviewers for some two years now.


Don't you have anything better to do? Two years is a long time to try and persuade a group of people who aren't pedophiles that your child sex porn hobby is actually pretty acceptable. Think how much better off you'd be if you'd spent that time in therapy instead.

Case wrote:
because the environment is such that I don't feel comfortable discussing my own viewing habits in these forums anymore.


Then don't. That would seem to be the sensible solution to your problem.

Case wrote:
I can go to almost any other anime site to talk about what I'm currently watching and not worry about being told that what I enjoy is garbage.


If you can go elsewhere and be welcomed, why would you keep posting on ANN in the full knowledge that many people will take issue with what you have to say? Do you like banging your head against a brick wall? Or are you just basking in the spotlight of notoriety?

Actually, now that I come to think of it, ANN is hardly unique in having reviewers who don't favour productions featuring the sexualisation of children. I've seen anti-loli reviews on both Anime Jump and THEM Anime Review in the past few months.
Face it, you have a niche fetish that most people in our respective societies find pretty grotesque. Why would you expect to be lauded for your good taste and judgement on mainstream anime sites?

Case wrote:
Ask John wrote an article on this very same topic


While your favoured columnist and fellow lover of sexualised infants may share your tastes, he at least has the sense to suggest that the loli minority jumping up and down and shouting as loudly and as often as possible about their fascination with pre-pubescent school girls is not great for the (Western) anime scene in general. Possibly you should take note.

Case wrote:
I am thinking back to the Strawberry Mashmallow review that called that show "pedo-licious"


And your point is? I had the misfortune to read the first volume of the manga and it was clearly designed to titilate pedophiles. I was unsuprised when - after I'd read it, binned it and washed my hands thoroughly - I read online that its author's previous work involved the production of explicit pedophile hentai. So what's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

Case wrote:
And you wonder why I can never stop ranting about anti-moe sentiment on ANN.


Good Lord, yes - I really, really do.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:42 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:

I never thought of the vamp in Negima in that light. She's one of those games like Interview With a Vampire-a child's body, but she's older. "She's not a minor" technicality (She's legal).
Of course, I gave up on Negima in Vol 1 because it seemed to be Love Hina extreme--a shouta boy lead & a bunch of borderline (14-they're not 12, right?) young girls? It seems to be just one step in that Jikan slope-Negima was obviously topping something, then something has to top Negima & there will be something down the road that has to top Jikan-maybe a 5 yr old?


Negi is 11 (I think) but all of the girls are at least 14 (though the twins look close to 10, but they get virtually no fanservice; Evangeline usually looks like she's about 10-12 but, well, you seem to know about her already).

The fanservice is at its worst in the first few volumes, but theres much less of it by around volume 7. Its still there, but its not nearly as bad and much less frequent. I don't think volume 9 had a single pantyshot, breastgrab, or any nudity. The story isn't very good for the first two volumes, but it gets better in volume 3 which is an entire story arc and gets better from there. It's no Monster, but its better (IMO) than the average shonen action series.
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