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babbo
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| HitokiriShadow wrote: | | I believe FYE/Suncoast did the figure-less version for volume 2. |
You're right o,o;;
Strange that. Must be cause I didn't feel like bothering with it what with the lack of the art book >.> |
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CCSYueh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:10 pm |
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| ikillchicken wrote: | MokonaModoki:
One large question would be how exactly the licence to distribute Hellsing Ultimate will fall into the hands of another company. Will they make some kind of deal to cancel the licence in exchange for a partial refund? From there another company would have to re-licence it. At that point, do they automatically get everything Geneon had produced? Or does that remain property (useless propety mind you) or Geneon? It seems possible that may put them at square one, with nothing but the Japanese version just like when a company licences anime normally.
Or possibly Geneon might arange to sell the licence directly to another company. This would seem like the ideal solution since they would be more likely to then inheret all Geneons work on it, but unfortunately I would think this would require at least the approval of the Japanese company. That could tie things up in alot of red tape. Also, theres always the unfortunate possibility that Geneon will do nothing and simply hold on to their licence even though they have no plans to do anything with it. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would automatically expire or anything just because of that.
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We've seen licenses change companies--ADV dropped the dvd release of Master of Mosquiton, but Mediablasters released it with ADV's dub. Their Giant Robo has 2 English dubs--the old one & I believe a newerone they chose to do. but I'm not sure. When ADV landed Slayers Premium, they flew in Crispin Freeman for Zelgadis & I believe there was some fuss about Funi using all but one of the original Tenchi VA's when they took over the series
So yeah, possibly whoever licenses it will change VA's , but I think they would have to know how popular this dub is, so I do believe it's fairly safe. I could see something like Shonen Onmioji getting a different cast since I'm not sure how many US studios have dealt with Odex & at this point I'd take the remaining volumes of Shonen Onmiyoji, Kyo Kara Maoh & Story of Saiunkoku subtitled just to finish the series |
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ikillchicken
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:20 pm |
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| Okay okay, Im just saying that some people are acting like its set in stone. Yes there is a fairly good chance they will use the same VAs. Nothing is for sure at this point though. This is a unique situation and all we can really do is speculate. |
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snl67
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:39 am |
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| MokonaModoki wrote: | | The only real question mark for companies that might have an issue keeping the same staff+cast might be ADV (who I don't think have ever gone outside of Texas for ADR production), but even then I'd be shocked if they didn't make the effort. |
ADV HAS gone outside for ADR, in particular using Coastal Carolina for the YUA Movie and Mini Specials, as well as currently having NYAV Post dub Season 2 of Ah My Goddess. And although they didn't use Ocean, they did bring in some of the original VA's for the characters from Soultaker who were in their release of Nurse Witch Komugi. So to say ADV is the least likely to bring back the current cast is simply not the case. |
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MokonaModoki
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:59 am |
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' | ikillchicken wrote: | | Okay okay, Im just saying that some people are acting like its set in stone. Yes there is a fairly good chance they will use the same VAs. Nothing is for sure at this point though. This is a unique situation and all we can really do is speculate. |
Well, looking back through this thread I see that the strongest assertion that the same cast would end up getting used came from me, so I guess I should infer that I am "some people" here.
I am certainly not acting like it is set in stone, but on the other hand, neither was my post "all speculation". To support what I was saying I called upon current fact, historical precedent, and the opinion of the director of OVA IV that he would eventually get paid for his work on it. I wasn't taking notes so these aren't direct quotes, but the impression that I was left with after talking to him about it on Friday was that the dub for OVA IV would be available for purchase to anyone who got the license to distribute the show, and that the work was good enough that it would be stupid to pass up. It was posited as really being that simple.
My point was that there are no tricky legal issues associated with using the same cast after someone else gets the license. You just hire the same studio to do the work, and even if you don't do that you can use the same cast with your own studio. Getting the license in the first place is the tricky part. If someone decides to be so intransigent that no one is able to pick up these licenses, then the question of who would voice the characters on the non-existent product is irrelevent. You can call the situation unique because it is an entire company exiting the stage, and it is, but none of the underlying issues associated with what happens after another company gets the license to an individual show lack historical precedent. It's all happened before.
New Generation Pictures has completed a dub for Hellsing Ultimate IV, and Ocean Studios has completed a dub for Black Lagoon: Second Barrage. These aren't piddling little shows, they are money in the bank for whoever gets their licenses and their existing casts are ridiculously good. Unless the companies that get those licenses are spectacularly stupid they'll use the existing work. This is nothing like Funimation switching the cast for One Piece after they got it. That made perfect sense, but there's no apparent reason to do something like that here.
If you have some reason besides "rampant stupidity" that would preclude any company that got these licenses from using the same dubs/studios/casts+staff that Geneon had lined up then by all means -- please share it.
| snl67 wrote: | | ADV HAS gone outside for ADR, in particular using Coastal Carolina for the YUA Movie and Mini Specials, as well as currently having NYAV Post dub Season 2 of Ah My Goddess. And although they didn't use Ocean, they did bring in some of the original VA's for the characters from Soultaker who were in their release of Nurse Witch Komugi. So to say ADV is the least likely to bring back the current cast is simply not the case. |
I knew they had gone outside before, but I was really primarily familiar with Monster Island here in Austin (who went under after ADV took their operation went in-house), but your AMG example is an outstanding one for this scenario. I think I was also anticipating some taint associated with the fallout of the ADV/Geneon deal effecting their chances of acquiring the top shelf licenses (which truly is nothing but speculation). |
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Tony K.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:04 pm |
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People, please remember that Hellsing Ultimate was co-produced by Geneon USA along with Geneon Japan. Just because they have no means of distribution here in the US right now doesn't mean their license will drop. By default, Geneon will always own Hellsing Ultimate because they put their own money into the production.
If they go Kadokawa and simply become a licensor, then they'll just produce the DVD content as always, hire New Generation Pictures to do the dubbing, then hire a third party for distribution. It's just a matter of waiting. |
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ikillchicken
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:38 pm |
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Okay, I can see some people (thats you again MokonaModoki, just so were clear) are getting upset so I think I'll just drop this.
The bottom line is we don't know anything for sure at this point. |
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MokonaModoki
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:57 pm |
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I'm not upset, nor did I intend to sound that way. I was just trying to clarify the intention of my post which had apparently been taken as something it wasn't.
If Geneon would just get on the ball and clarify what it is that they are actually intending to do (if anything) it would be very helpful. Too many rumors are floating around that they are getting out of the US market completely, but as Tony mentioned, if they chose simply going the Kadokawa route it would resolve the issue easily. |
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nosferatuwolf
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:46 pm |
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I picked up the DVD yesterday when I realised it had come out. But when I scanned the back cover, the first thing I noticed was a typo.
Kudos to anyone who finds it~~!! |
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HitokiriShadow
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:49 pm |
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Okay, my copy arrived and I watched it yesterday. Sweet, glorious violence. Watching Alucard slaughter the SWAT team was fun.
I also just read volume 8 of the manga. Oh god, I can't wait for this to be animated (assuming they ever get their, given Geneon USA's issues and the fact that they are helping finance the whole thing). |
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babbo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:10 pm |
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| HitokiriShadow wrote: | Okay, my copy arrived and I watched it yesterday. Sweet, glorious violence. Watching Alucard slaughter the SWAT team was fun.
I also just read volume 8 of the manga. Oh god, I can't wait for this to be animated (assuming they ever get their, given Geneon USA's issues and the fact that they are helping finance the whole thing). |
Well 4 is coming out Nov 5th at least so ya never know. Then again I guess that's exactly how it is with Geneon stuff atm @.@ |
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HitokiriShadow
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:03 pm |
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| The last I heard was that the release date for volume 4 had come and gone and it hadn't come out. I didn't know if there was another date for it yet. If so, that's good, but I'm still worried about anything after that. |
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babbo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:50 pm |
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| HitokiriShadow wrote: | | The last I heard was that the release date for volume 4 had come and gone and it hadn't come out. I didn't know if there was another date for it yet. If so, that's good, but I'm still worried about anything after that. |
Well I am talking japanese release it was originally slated for october...on second check it looks like nov 5 was a dumbass rumor >.> Still says XX.XX.2007 on the main site(I swear this semester must be getting to my head, first I think best buy was selling the volume 2 exclusive edition and now this @.@) ;.; But last time I checked it was delayed cause they were adding more content, not sure how geneons situation would run into this, maybe they'll just end up releasing it at the original planned length (or something closer)? |
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HitokiriShadow
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:34 am |
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| Quote: | | Well I am talking japanese release |
Uh, yeah, so am I. |
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CCSYueh
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:45 pm |
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| I watched it the other day. It was glorious. My teen & I both laughed so much at the humor--we were waiting for the Harkonan. |
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