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danth78



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:07 pm Reply with quote
Hey all.

I haven't read all 12 pages of this thread, so I'll say something that I know nobody else has said.

Maybe Japan should stop producing anime that appeals to spoiled brats who think they should get everything for free? When I got turned on to anime 20 years ago, anime was artful, intelligent stuff. It appealed to intelligent people valued art. New anime is mostly overly angsty, poorly written, poorly drawn garbage about little brats who always win against evil adults despite no had work, preparation, or training. No wonder it appeals to spoiled punks.

Just think about what type of people One Piece attracts. Think about it. Do they like it for the art?

I remember when artbooks used to be a big deal. Because, you know, the character designs in anime were lush and beautiful, and fans would pay to be able to look at them. Today's character designs are so simple and unattractive, I guess to make them easier (cheaper) to draw. And then there's the cheap animation with very little movement and computer shortcuts. I could go on, but it'll suffice to say: when you make art, you'll attract people willing to pay for it.

That said, I buy my anime (older titles), and I look for deals. I will download old stuff that doesn't exist on R1 DVD or VHS, like L Gaim or Layzner.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:15 pm Reply with quote
Spoiled brats tend to not have money, this is the main reason they aren't buying it. It is true they might should try to appeal to older audiences, but I like what they do now (I'm 26), and I have money so they'll get money from me if they keep it up and don't annoy me by acting like the RIAA.
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Goodpenguin



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:18 pm Reply with quote
danth78 wrote:

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Maybe Japan should stop producing anime that appeals to spoiled brats who think they should get everything for free? When I got turned on to anime 20 years ago, anime was artful, intelligent stuff. It appealed to intelligent people valued art. New anime is mostly overly angsty, poorly written, poorly drawn garbage about little brats who always win against evil adults despite no had work, preparation, or training. No wonder it appeals to spoiled punks.


C'mon with this a bit. I'm as big an old-school booster as there is, and completely sympathetic to older fans who feel 'passed-by' by the focus/style of a lot of current anime, but anime (on the whole) was never notable for being well-written or striving for 'high-brow' themes. I was just watching 'Photon' the other day and admiring a time when even a throw-away show like that could display notable animation, an honestly funny sense of humor, and the assumption that young males still produced enough testosterone to not break down into uncontrollable sobs at the sight of a boob , but nothing (for the most part) from the days of yore was itching to show up on 'Masterpiece Theater'.

I believe in general what your getting at is you preferred anime from a time where more emphasis was placed on visual composition, and the field had much less of todays omni-present, angsty 'teen-soap' driven content. I'd agree, but times change, and the modern market (whether Japan or here) overwhelmingly prefers the latter. I don't think modern content enables fansubs one way or the other, that's just an issue of technical innovation making fansubs much more ubiquitous then they were 10 years ago.
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missing_soul



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Goodpenguin wrote:

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I don't think modern content enables fansubs one way or the other, that's just an issue of technical innovation making fansubs much more ubiquitous then they were 10 years ago.


... in the good old time of VHS tapes with no copy protection whatsoever.

Besides you are not wrong about the quality of the average manga or anime. On the other hand no one ever succeeded to sell real bad TV shows or movies on DVD either. It's not the music industry where you can sell white noise.

So why on earth the anime industry insist to sell everything regardless of quality? I will buy something to put it on the shelf and watch it again (while the last copy to rent was destroyed by entropy anyway). Quantity makes the fan remember his hobby, while he will happily buy the quality for the shake of his shelf. Just like TV and cinemas.

The industry's problem appears to be real simple: the guy who bought the license of the "blockbuster" is not the same who has the the license for the rest (Geneon, again).

About quality of anime: you can find an interesting amount of good scripts here and it's far from complete:
ANN's poll of the Best 50 anime titles even if we don't count the recent buzz generating attempts
spoiler[Gurren-Lagann and the Melancholy]

(I still don't speak English so have mercy and don't judge me by the number of my grammar faults)
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:07 pm Reply with quote
danth78 wrote:
When I got turned on to anime 20 years ago, anime was artful, intelligent stuff.


Dominion Tank Police was artful and intelligent? The original Vampire Hunter D? Rolling Eyes

The majority of anime then was bad and the majority of anime now is bad (though admittedly often in different and rather more nauseating ways) just as the majority of releases in every other entertainment medium are bad - but it's just as easy to find good stuff now as it was then. You just have to have a bit of critical discrimination...
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HitokiriShadow
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:55 pm Reply with quote
danth78 wrote:
Hey all.

I haven't read all 12 pages of this thread, so I'll say something that I know nobody else has said.

Maybe Japan should stop producing anime that appeals to spoiled brats who think they should get everything for free? When I got turned on to anime 20 years ago, anime was artful, intelligent stuff. It appealed to intelligent people valued art. New anime is mostly overly angsty, poorly written, poorly drawn garbage about little brats who always win against evil adults despite no had work, preparation, or training. No wonder it appeals to spoiled punks.

Just think about what type of people One Piece attracts. Think about it. Do they like it for the art?


Nobody else said it because nobody else had rose-colored glasses big enough to say that with a straight face. I'm sorry, but Fist of the North Star, Ranma 1/2 and Go Nagai giant robot series were not any more "intelligent" and "mature" than the average stuff of today. Stuff like Akira and Wings of Honnemeise (I'm pretty sure I spelled that wrong) were the exceptions, not the norm, just like today.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:07 am Reply with quote
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... in the good old time of VHS tapes with no copy protection whatsoever.


Not true, ya see.. there is this thing called macrovision. Aside from that vhs copies are not digital->digital so quality loss is very large in comparision even to transfers between lossy codecs.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:27 am Reply with quote
Xanas wrote:
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... in the good old time of VHS tapes with no copy protection whatsoever.


Not true, ya see.. there is this thing called macrovision. Aside from that vhs copies are not digital->digital so quality loss is very large in comparision even to transfers between lossy codecs.


Also unless theres some method I'm unaware of, copying a VHS requires you to play the entire thing through for each copy you make. It by no means prevents copying but vastly limits the scale to which something can be copied.
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missing_soul



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:59 am Reply with quote
Xanas wrote:
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... in the good old time of VHS tapes with no copy protection whatsoever.


Not true, ya see.. there is this thing called macrovision. Aside from that vhs copies are not digital->digital so quality loss is very large in comparision even to transfers between lossy codecs.


Although I made just a remark but everyone merits a response.
Macrovision Demystified

Google is sure a great tool. It was my second hit I am sure you can find a more recent one, but it's quite accurate about "the good old days of the VSH era" and anyway VHS seems to be the past.
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