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Levitz9
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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Location: Puerto Rico
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:40 pm |
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I dunno...I'm kinda sad about this. My Uncle had the channel, and if I was ever alone around the house, I'd check up on what was on (managed to see E's Otherwise and Nadesico: The Black Prince this way).
This just makes it one less reason for me to watch T.V. anywhere (something I haven't been doing a lot of, lately). Oh, well... |
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MageofFire
Joined: 01 Aug 2007
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Location: Edmonton, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:43 pm |
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To Primus, I meant on basic cable. I don't have the other channels you mentioned. (I have Teletoon and MuchMusic and watched 1 and a half episodes of BECK up to where it butchered the song "Moon on the Water that plays a lot in the series.)
I tried to watch Akira on friday but ended up turning it off. I give Teletoon props for showing anime again but I can't stand comercials every 20 minutes so if it's a new movie I prefer to rent it first and then when it comes on tv then I'll watch it.
That would be cool if we had our own anime channel but it will probably be on digital cable only (like the Teletoon Retro channel I've heard about sigh) |
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Time and Space
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Southampton of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:52 pm |
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | davidlaw1985 wrote: | I was surprised to learn about propeller TV also running an anime slot, in th UK we haev only just recently caught a dedicated channel (and all it plays currently is bleach) but it was very hard to find out about other channels running it, I had never given propeller a thought before as it was a nameless channel.
Of course I am now sad that they are stopping the service, dag. |
Anime Central, Sky channel 199. There, you can't see you didn't know now. We in the UK, who have a Sky box and dish, watched ANUK religously and we are very upset that it folded up without so much as a "thanks for everything". We just showed up to a vacant lot. Be thankful that you in the US still have their VOD service as we are obviously not worthy. Nice of Ledford and Greenfield to keep their fans and customers informed of their plans and new services. ADV must have grown into such a big corporation to treat their customers like one. |
Yes, painful, another blow to the virtual non-existence of an anime presence in the UK. Propeller did do a dire job of advertising its anime. Known as a quirky channel that shows little more than student films (or something like that), it didn't and probably couldn't advertise the anime except on its own channel, which isn't or wasn't likely to pull in either new or existing anime fans. The fact that it didn't explicitly indicate which anime was showing was also just annoying on a practical side, and would certainly put off anyone unfamiliar with anime. Oh well, there's still the meagre anime central. Goodbye copious amounts of cash, and hello DVDs, (also, bye-bye giga-bytes and hello fansubs, heh  ) |
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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:16 am |
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| Time and Space wrote: | | Yes, painful, another blow to the virtual non-existence of an anime presence in the UK. Propeller did do a dire job of advertising its anime. Known as a quirky channel that shows little more than student films (or something like that), it didn't and probably couldn't advertise the anime except on its own channel, which isn't or wasn't likely to pull in either new or existing anime fans. The fact that it didn't explicitly indicate which anime was showing was also just annoying on a practical side, and would certainly put off anyone unfamiliar with anime. Oh well, there's still the meagre anime central. Goodbye copious amounts of cash, and hello DVDs, (also, bye-bye giga-bytes and hello fansubs, heh ) |
To be fair to Propeller, they are a not for profit educational channel and so do not take advertising, and do not advertise themselves. Any advertising was the responsibility of ADV which was highlighted to them, but apart from word of mouth and a half page ad in our UK fan mag NEO, that was it. Anime Central has failed to put the word out to the general public about it's existance just as much so one wonders just how long they will last too. |
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HSaabedra
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:39 pm |
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The problem with this is the fact that ADV is hedging their bets on VOD when everything is stating otherwise in terms of viewership figures. VOD only works when you have a coherent process and ADV has so far proven that they don't know their left hand from their right.
The Anime Network only works as a linear channel if outside advertising is allowed and they didn't even do that.
They offered the channel as a part of a larger bundle with other niche channels hoping for the viewership to cover the cost by paying for higher tiers of programming instead of either selling the channel as a premium service akin to HBO/Showtime/TMC/Starz etc. or offering the channel to national carriers Time Warner/Comcast as a part of basic digital cable or even standard analog cable if the capacity was there.
The majority of fans that know about the channel can't even sign up for cable/satelite service in their own name let alone afford anymore money for The Anime Network as a VOD service.
The mobile streaming service isn't any better as I currently pay about $7 a month on top of my normal cellphone bill (amortized through a service credit) to watch a never ending cycle of older shows that don't interest me. I had high hopes for The Anime Network, but once again ADV manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. |
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MageofFire
Joined: 01 Aug 2007
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Location: Edmonton, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:50 pm |
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| HSaabedra wrote: | | The Anime Network only works as a linear channel if outside advertising is allowed and they didn't even do that. |
Isn't that a generalization? Family Channel (probably the Disney Channel in the states I don't really know but it runs Disney stuff in Canada) doesn't have outside advertising at all and it's still running. |
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HSaabedra
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:49 pm |
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| MageofFire wrote: | | HSaabedra wrote: | | The Anime Network only works as a linear channel if outside advertising is allowed and they didn't even do that. |
Isn't that a generalization? Family Channel (probably the Disney Channel in the states I don't really know but it runs Disney stuff in Canada) doesn't have outside advertising at all and it's still running. |
The Disney Channel moved from being a premium channel to ad supported basic cable in 1998 with the complete acquisition of the company by ABC, which in turn bought the old Family Channel (then then Fox Family) from Rupert Murdoch's News Corp in 2001. The Disney Channel and all related Disney networks all sell adspace to advertisers as well as promote their own products.
This is why the Anime Network as a linear service was losing money on top of the fact that ADV didn't really want the channel to begin with. |
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metalformer
Joined: 23 Dec 2005
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Location: Puerto Rico
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:44 pm |
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That is a sad thing.  The same is happening to me now but with Animax (Latin America). My dish provider just dropped the channel some months ago without making an announcement. |
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MageofFire
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Location: Edmonton, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:57 am |
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| @HSaabedra, I'm talking about a channel in Canada that as far as I know isn't associated with ABC or Fox (I know these have their own family channels I've seen commercials for them on ABC and Fox, we get the 4 mafor US networks in Canada too). You do have a valid point about how ADV's linear channel failed. |
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HSaabedra
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:15 pm |
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| MageofFire wrote: | | @HSaabedra, I'm talking about a channel in Canada that as far as I know isn't associated with ABC or Fox (I know these have their own family channels I've seen commercials for them on ABC and Fox, we get the 4 mafor US networks in Canada too). You do have a valid point about how ADV's linear channel failed. |
The Family Channel you were thinking of was the same exact channel in the US prior to 1998. The history gets murky after 1998 because of the massive amount of consolidation in the media industry at the time in the US. In any case, I'm glad we came to an understanding.  |
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kid_nichi
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:20 am |
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| Crawly wrote: | | DClark wrote: | | If they remove any more older episodes without first fixing the player they'll probably lose quite a few viewers who haven't been able to catch up and don't want to try to guess what happened in the episodes they missed. |
If those viewers weren't motivated to go buy the dvds after seeing the first few episodes, I doubt they care if they go. Likewise, if people want to see the episodes they're missing, they can go buy the discs. Free viewing isn't doing ADV much good if people aren't buying the discs or otherwise paying to view their properties. |
it wasn't visionary. MTV changed the WHOLE record industry.
if they give it another try, i hope they get some hipper consultation.
the backgrounds just sat there...there was no packaging to it, MTV had veejays...of course it quickly went too far and became a caricature of itself. ah, well. |
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kid_nichi
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:12 am |
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I think the Anime industry would hope not. Because if that is true, that means that the anime industry would never get new fans in, because the only ones that are going to the Anime VOD sections, are usually going to be only anime fans, the same with the websites.
you know who doesn't want the anime industry to get new fans in?
well, demons... |
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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:20 am |
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| kid_nichi wrote: |
you know who doesn't want the anime industry to get new fans in?
well, demons... |
Demon, thy name is 1337157. |
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kid_nichi
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:33 am |
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nah....the demon's name is corporate negligience. that's just a bunch of numbers. (but i see what you mean.)
i think there is just a sort of sense that people are 'owed art' and as such...the anime network didn't do much that was over the top in terms of working hard to succeed...they had a pimp attitude, and that's trendy to talk about but is not actually cool per se.
and making the art has to do with at least one person who is totally devoted to craft, and usually a LOT of others. and when the corporate end sort of wants to just sit back and profit as much as possible...they won't hire people who would fill out a network like the anime network.
as you see in music industries all the time, when industry people with no talent sit back and rake in bucks...usually they get artists who put their whole lives into developing their craft.
people who are not full time artists tend not to understand this -- but corporate negligience is a great way for the corporation to make some money -- and if people stop paying, they cut loose and go sell widgets or furniture or canned ham.
it's boring, and you know, it's like this: demons HATE it when people tell how they do their evil magic. wow. |
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