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Kruszer
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So far I'm really enjoying the show. It has everything I loved from the previous Last Exile series, an entertaining story, good high-flying visuals, great music, and some interesting characters.
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Beltane70
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I enjoyed the first episode as well.
spoiler[The only thing that I questioned though was the Ades fleet so readily following false signals and opening fire on their own ships. Shouldn't they have still known their positions relative to the other ships, even with the smoke making visibility so low. I could see if they were given orders to break formation prior to being engulfed in the smoke, but they were apparently still at the same speed and heading the entire time.] |
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Penguin_Factory
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Watched a bit of the first episode a minute ago. I got about ten seconds into the intro- the part with the three female protagonists cavorting around naked in a river. This combined with the fact that the show literally opens with the blonde haired girl showing the audience her underwear made me bail out.
Look, I'm not trying to kick off the same old debates about moe and lolicon that have been repeated endlessly, my question is just this: why? Why does this stuff need to be in here? They had a perfectly good fantasy/ sci-fi premise with some really gorgeous artwork (love the colour palette), why do we need pre-teen fan-service? Did they not think the show would be popular enough without it, or has this stuff just become so ingrained into anime that writers and producers throw it in automatically? Comparing this to the first series really drives home just how much anime has changed over the last ten years. |
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MrTerrorist
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Finally saw the 2nd episode. If anyone thinks this series is lighter and softer think again after you watch this episode.
To explain: spoiler[Liliana is captured by Luscinia's assistant Alauda during the battle at the Turin capital. Luscinia also reveals to Fam, Giesy and Milia that this world is the original homeworld of the colonists who left in Exiles ships and Liliana is an Exile activator like Alvis where Luscinia recites a Mysteria which one of the planet's moon drops, revealing it's actually an Exile ship and destroys the Turan capital, killing everyone there including the King. What a horrible day for Milia, her sister kidnapped, her capital city destroyed and her dad is killed.] |
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leongsh
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Suggest not jumping to conclusions. spoiler[Look closer and compare and you'll find that the insignias are different. Look further into the website that there is now a Silvinius - a Silvania for this world.] There's more to come. Let the show play its cards first. |
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Unicorn_Blade
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The first episode was not match for the first episode of the previous series, but I can definitely see a lot of potential; the art is lovely, and the characters seem interesting enough. I am quite excited about it, I really enjoyed the first Last Exile, and this one definitely brings back the good old atmosphere.
However, I was also surprised at the first few minutes- the underwear shot- was it really necessary? I found it a bit pointless. |
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Kirkdawg
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They butchered one of my favored franchise into a moe-moe show...give me back the old Last Exile!!!
I don't think I'll be following this show unless it's drastically different then the impression I got from episode 1. |
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MrTerrorist
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Then watch episode 2 cause things gets serious. |
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Unicorn_Blade
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The second episode is a lot more interesting, still not quite there yet, but kept me interested. I did not really understand what happened to the older princess - and what provoked the reaction, and I was sorry to see spoiler[the beautiful city being completely destroyed].
Also, I did think it was not that necessary for the old kingspoiler[ to stay there and witness destruction and die- it seemed more like a device to make the viewer feel bad for Milia], I just thought he was a bit stubborn and unnecessarily over dramatic. |
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zaeris
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Reply spoiler[I believe the choice the King made are both common or at least represent the older people who are attach to their homes... ^^, I'm sure you've read stories of old people who would not leave their home even when a flood is sweeping their land away. Same with native who grew up and was raised in said village and usually it takes someone with authority to get people to leave in such circumstances.] |
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Unicorn_Blade
Posts: 1153 Location: UK |
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@zaeris- I absolutely agree- and I realised that when I watched it. But on the other hand, I could not help thinking that it was here used for the sake of being there. You know, a sort of device/element that has been over exploited and seen a number of times. Sometimes it looks believable, sometimes it looks like a cliche, the line is quite thin, and in Last Exile it looked like the latter. Not that it spoiled the whole episode, but it did not create an impression on me I think it was supposed to.
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zaeris
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Well you are correct that it is an overuse cliché which has shown it age through movies and books but on the other hand it is hard to depict realism without looking at the nature of the character who in this case is a benevolent ruler, could the king make an alternative choice which won’t go against his character. In my case I wouldn't change that scene. *(extended response) spoiler[This can be evident upon Milia arrival at the city and is love by her people as their shower her with greeting. I found it interesting normal citizen can simply talk to the princess without much boundary (guards, escort or literal distance from the princess) which shows the royal family is trusted greatly and held with great respect but also very involved with its country. In the end it is minor but it provides characters to the royal family and its citizen which is now destroy, never to be seen again ^^. I do believe the events occurred upon the arrival and departures of the princess are natural progression and believable enough where the audience can see the king’s character and decision are just if you consider how much the citizen trust the royal family. it makes sense to me that the king would choose to go down with his country. In my opinion I find it believable using the citizen point above, I don’t see it as being forced because I have no reason to believe the king could make another choice, to leave in this case. Lily (Lilliana) has shown she will reason with logic and prioritise other people’s life (her people) more importantly but also willing to sacrifice herself for her country. Her action and the king’s decision are both mirrored but I do believe age is probably another factor where he might consider passing the responsibility to his children (I should quote the king’s last word since that was his intention). I could imagine the king believing he would be a liable and a burden to others if he did escape. Now if Lillian was present being the older daughter who is more dutiful and bear greater responsible could change the king’s decision. As I mention earlier greater authority is required to override the decision to depart especially one kingdom. Only Lilliana in my mind is able to overcome the king’s decision in this case.] EDIT: Maybe I should be more direct lol, I don't believe the scene itself is trying to envoke or gain sympathy from the auidence but what occur is considered natural progression. In this case, the characters moved to a point where this was the obvious/only outcome. |
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Unicorn_Blade
Posts: 1153 Location: UK |
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I do agree with what you said, but on the other hand... The scene still did not work for me.
spoiler[On the one hand, the country as such did not die- the king himself said that as long there is a ruler, the kingdom will survive- except that by the ruler he meant his daughters. So technically, as a lot of citizens evacuated, the kingdom did not disappear, and there was no need for him to stay there (not knowing whether his older daughter will survive the battle- he could not bet on her making it back safe, could he?, and his younger daughter being too young and inexperienced to rule the people). Strategically, not a wise choice to be made. But then on the other hand, it just crossed my mind that not all citizens managed to evacuate the city- and I suppose the king would like to stay with the soldiers who protected whatever was left... Maybe he saw himself as a burden, maybe he did not value his life any more and /or wanted to perish with its physical remains and his long time assistant alongside with himself. We do not know. So all in all, I am not quite sure what to make out of this scene, or the king's character as a matter of fact. It was just a tiny detail that did not really work for me. ] In any case, I am looking forward to see an explanation of what happened with the older princess... |
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einhorn303
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So some people stayed behind on Earth when the Exile ships left. And now, there's a problem of sharing a world's worth of resources with many world's worths of people. Solution: mass genocide. That's a a good and reasonable villain motivation, I can get behind it.
So I guess, instead of the six moons this implies, they're just all crescent sized fragments of the single moon. The character and facial animation is really flat. Maybe I'm just spoiled by shows like Hanasaku Iroha, but there's a lack of liveliness to the characters. That, and many instances of foreground characters drawn at a level-of-detail more suited to background characters. To me, that's the most important part of animation. I hope it's a matter of an insufficient budget, instead of the budget being blown in the wrong place. Another interesting animation mistake is the scale failure at 12:06 and on, where we see Luskinia on the Lasas at a size that makes no sense with later shots. I like how, bucking the genre conventions, the protagonist's excessively risky and poorly-thought-out scheme actually went bad. It'll be interesting to see where the story goes from here...it sure is moving really fast! I wonder if it'll quiet down for a while, in the aftermath of big revelations. |
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ManOfRust
 Posts: 1935 Location: Seattle, WA |
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I think what happened is that she is spoiler[a "key" to activating one of the Exile ships, much like Alvis was in the original series. Right before she goes off, the main bad guy (I think his name is Luscinia) quotes a line that is probably what provoked her reaction.] I really enjoyed this second episode. There are definitely no concerns that the show might start out too slowly! To me, the animation is very pretty. It seems like a lot of effort has gone into the design work, and while the show can borrow some stylistic elements from the first series without having to start from scratch, I think they've done a nice job creating a look that is recognizable as Last Exile, but is still somewhat original. I also completely take back what I said before about any minor disappointment I had with the music. The music in this second episode was great, and sounded fantastic even through my crappy laptop speakers. I can't wait until I inevitably have this series on BluRay and can listen to it on my home theater system. Was there really no opening for this episode, or did I somehow miss something?
This didn't jump out at me as much as it obviously did you. I'll have to pay more attention to it when I rewatch the episode, but this second episode was very much devoted to a lot of big scenes of fighting navies and giant ships. There was a lot of action going on, but very little of it was character based. Hopefully, when we get to parts of the story that are more character driven there will be more attention given to the animation and expressions of the main characters. That thought also applies to the story for me. They have thrown a lot at us in the first couple of episodes, both in terms of how many characters have been introduced and in terms of what is going on in this new (to us) Last Exile world. I'm sure that the action will settle down a bit now and hopefully allow for some character development. One of the things I enjoyed so much about the first series was how we grew to know and care about so many of the characters while at the same time being involved with the bigger events going on in the world. I'm hoping that a good balance between character development and the big picture story will also be a feature of this series. So far, so good, as far as I am concerned. I'm looking forward to future episodes. |
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