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Vortextk
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| Yeah ok, I won't bother being civil. Thanks. |
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Dargonxtc
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:34 pm |
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| Well this is good news to hear. I imagine that these are tests for the big push that we have been hearing so many rumblings about. |
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Mohawk52
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| Vortextk wrote: | | Yeah ok, I won't bother being civil. Thanks. |
Shhh, don't let Zac or tempest hear you, but I must say I'm again not sure just what you mean. I meant making a copy of a copy, which is what DRM is suppose to prevent. I'm quite familar with the concept of downloading, as I have done so when it is legal so to do. |
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Fallout2man
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:49 pm |
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | I'll tell you what makes me laugh at people who shout and scream that things like DRM violate their right to copy something for free. They then go out of their way and buy more expensive software and hardware to add to their computer just to get round it, but yet cry they are too poor to buy that copy in the first place. |
It's illegal to make software that breaks DRM... and the rights it takes away, at least in the USA are legally rights we are entitled to. Can't say the same about the UK but I do think Canada has something similar to fair use rights.
The software that does exist is typically free to download seeing as they'd be painting a gigantic bullseye over their heads (bigger than before) if they tried to charge money. Some of the first people that got sued were the software sellers, like 321 studios who made DVD X Copy.
| Batman3777 wrote: | | But its not just temporary purchases, most people who download never buy a licensed copy. if they did, you would a predictable sales trend both up and down, depending on series popularity, which we don't; all we see are downward trends, for the most part. |
Well the problem is we really can't measure the economic impact of lost sales because of what I just said. Every download doesn't necessarily mean you lost a sale since some people would have never bought the software anyway. Which we have no real way of knowing. If they never would've bought it anyway but downloaded it then while you are obviously entitled to have gotten some money it didn't actually affect your bottom line in the least since no matter whether they downloaded it or not you wouldn't have gotten money.
It's cases like these that lead me to believe this kind of piracy is really more of a market trend and it becomes rampant when the price of something is severely out of wack with what users want to or are willing to pay. In olden times they would've done without and you might've gotten some holdouts to buy eventually, but in this case they download it instead. Either way though it's hard to truly judge the real economic damage piracy itself has since a decline in sales can be caused by any number of things. Though with anything significantly popular I'm sure there were at least a few real lost sales.
| Quote: | That being said, I agree with some of what you say, and disagree with some; in general I think we are on the same page. Regardless, at this point, all I can do is quote another post of mine from a different thread:
I think something we all need to realize is that "discussing" this on the animenewsnetwork forums, or any other forums, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, is not going to solve the illegal downloading issue, even if we could come up with great ideas, since no one listens.  |
I agree, but I enjoy these discussions. Debate and discussion is a way for me to challenge my intillect and my beliefs and at times blow off a little steam. No one may ever listen to us, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with it.
| Quote: | | SO, suffice it to say, I guess this is just a series of growning pains that the industry has to go through, and they'll figure out how to do things at some point. This will work out, eventually. Just like the dot com bust, things will get worse, and then level out, and we won't have to get all hot and bothered as much as we do so now. |
I don't know the exact trend but I think we will see an inevitable shift right now and that may have some reprocussions on some companies. Right now legally the law primarily favors the interests of large corporations that hoard properties and merchandise them ad nauseum like Disney. Eventually I think this will become a public concern (probably the next time someone seriously lobbies to extend copyright terms) if not here then elsewhere and it's goind to spread. Copyright law in its current state just isn't suited to the times.
When that happens, things will get shaken up. I'm not sure how but I do believe it'll be a big deal when it happens.
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Joshua-Sensei
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Second, Why should someone's hard work end up in the public domain? Now who is being a communist? There is NOTHING more communist than saying someone's intellectual property should go to the people for the "greater good" or whatever your justification is for such stupidity. Another communist idea? Making people pay taxes for services they don't need or want! I don't download! I can wait for it to be dubbed and put on to DVDs. I don't download! I don't expect to get someone's hard work for free! I will not pay for someone to be able to download anime to their computers, legal or not. I have no use for that in either case, so if you want to download, YOU PAY FOR IT.[/quote]
You'll pay if the government says you'll pay, and ranting and complaining otherwise implies a horrible misunderstanding on how the American government works.... I pay for things I don't use all the time in taxes, WIC, ect... get over it if it's passed you'll pay it bottom line.
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Pay for what you want. That is capitalism, pure and simple, and capitalism is the driving force behind the world economy. If you don't like capitalism, well, vote communist and good luck with that. And if you can't wait for it to come to the states, tough!!! Stop being such a whining crybaby. Get some perspective on life instead of being a walking fetus. You are violating laws of some kind or another, and don't think you're some kind of hero for doing so. Robin Hood stole for the sake of people's survival. You can live without anime and manga until you have money to purchase it legally. |
1. Why should I have to wait? When I know that some of the anime I enjoy will never be licenced in the state, same goes for the manga.
Elfen Lied, manga... never licenced in the state and we were lucky to get the anime.
Kodomo no jikan (say what you will about my taste I don't care) The manga was banned because America in it's vast knowledge felt it was not suitable for it's American viewers.. Tejou Tenge, was horribly butchered so it would pass in America.
We will never see Cuite Honey live action movie in America, nor will we see many of the live action series.. Mahou Sensei Negima anyone?
That was just manga and live action movies I mentioned... what about anime?
How long has 'He is my master been out? Since 2005 and has yet to be licensed and probably never will be.
Same for Gold Mars and the list goes on and on...
Why should I have to suffer because America does not want to lower the price of it's anime, nor does it want to show it on cable television.. If American cable companies were to show anime on regular tv stations, and I'm not talking about the kiddy crap on Cartoon network (although Code Geass and Death Note on AS makes me happy) then I bet you would see a drop in downloads.
Now on to the "being able to afford it comment"
I surmise that even you would have to agree that in America that the majority of the people who watch anime are between the ages of 12-30, (that's going a little high on the age bracket) in between those numbers are the ages of Highschool and college students, who I am sorry to say cannot afford to shell out 54+ bucks for anime.. hell they have to shell out 21+ for 4 episodes... how is that fair when SEASONS of Scrubs, House, Bones ect sell for 34.00.
The target audience is young adults people who can barely afford school let alone anime... and the industry knows this. They simply refuse to change... bottom line.
To surmise and please riddle me this; Why should I have to suffer because America does not show anime on main stream television? Why should I have to suffer because an industry refuses to change?
Why should I have to suffer because the American censoring BS is so rampant that decent manga and anime never get licenced?
Explain that and a box of kittens.
| Quote: | | This is exactly what I feared when anime became too popular. |
And it's only growing in popularity, like it or not fansubbing has become a part of the anime world, just as Doujishi did.. you're either going to have to get over it or just stop living in this world we call earth because it will never change.[/b] |
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CCSYueh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:43 pm |
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Because this has very little to do with downloading. The business model of television in particular is failing on many levels. People are skipping ads with their tivos, DVR's, PVR's, etc. The age of the 30-second ad is coming to an end (it has been for a while), and taxation will fund the future of entertainment. |
I really, really really don't see ads going away anytime soon. I see ads ll over this site & most every site I go to, ads in movie theaters while I wait for the movie to start, ads on my radio, ads in my magazines. I was at a Sports-bar restaurant this afternoon & low & behold, ads with my dinner (on sports shows).
I think you're in a case of exceptional wishful thinking
I didn't realize the National Endowment for the Arts was rolling in so much dough, they could pay for anime. Do you want anime makers to have to apply to some sort of World Arts fund for a grant to make the anime you want to download? Don't you think the same idiots out there saying Heath Ledger was struck down by God for playing a gay in Brokeback Mountain (Seen it already) would quietly accept the content of a lot of these anime titles?
Naive?
Again. 15,000,000 downloaders by your numbers vs 300,000,000 Americans. 15 out of 300. I'm lousy with math-is that 5%?
AT least social programs are allegedly providing for the wellbeing of our countrymen. Children are our future. That baby helped by the WIC program might become the doctor who saves your live when your'e older. How you going to pitch taxing what-food? Income tax? cars? tvs? computers?-to your grandparents so you can download for free? They walked to school thru 10 feet of snow or whatever hardship tales they have to tell (No internet when they were kids. No cell phones. No pizza deliver.)
I don't think it's going to play in Peoria.
I think most people would say let the people downloading pay the tax. I'm thinking most would say let anime go bye-bye, my taxes are high enough. |
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Moomintroll
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| ilikehotaznz wrote: | | I will refer you to the UK, where citizens pay 125 pounds a year in order to support the BBC-- the rest of the world is slowly shifting towards this type of economic model for several reasons |
Given that I'm English, you really don't have to reveal the existance of the BBC to me. Furthermore, I'm not sure you undertand how the BBC works.
The BBC is a public service paid for by the tax payer - as such it has to justify (to the government, on a regular basis) how its programming is in the public interest. In anime terms, that's fine for Ghibli and Kon movies but the vast bulk of the anime in the ANN encyclopeadia would be highly unlikely to make the grade.
And the BBC license fee is not a mandatory tax. If you don't want to own a TV, you don't have to pay it - so if that's your model, why should everybody pay for the downloading habits of a small minority of the population?
| Quote: | | You can joke around and pretend to roll your eyes, but this is a serious problem. |
I wasn't rolling my eyes at the problem - I was rolling my eyes at your World Entertainment Tax Collection Agency. What you're talking about would require every country in the developed world collaborating and pooling sovereignty in ways that surpass what the European Union has managed in four decades or so. And you want it all sorted out in one meeting!
The idea of an entertainment tax only works on a national (or in the case of the EU, regional) basis. Furthermore, it only works if you're willing to let the government decide what entertainment deserves funding and what doesn't because no government is going to spend public money (or raise a new tax) to fund horror movies, porn, violent computer games, Japanese cartoons or any other form of entertainment likely to leave them open to attacks from the press, the opposition or the general public.
Add to that the logistical impossibility of what you advocate (Samurai-with-glasses pointed out some of the difficulties) and your idea, whilst well intentioned, is a non-starter.
Oh, and comparing a person being fined a moderate amount for commiting an actual crime with people being shot or worked to death in Siberia on the basis of trumped up charges is utterly nonsensical. You don't help your case by shouting "Stalin!".
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| Joshua-Sensei wrote: | | Why should I have to wait? |
Why shouldn't you have to wait? It's not something you actually have a need for or a right to.
| Quote: | | Kodomo no jikan (say what you will about my taste I don't care) The manga was banned because America |
It wasn't banned. The publisher decided it wasn't appropriate. How is that being banned? If it had been banned, it would be illegal and you'd have even less right to it.
| Quote: | | Why should I have to suffer because America does not want to lower the price of it's anime |
How is not getting every anime and manga ever released in your hands for free within 24 hours "suffering"? You don't know the meaning of the word.
| Quote: | | If American cable companies were to show anime on regular tv stations, and I'm not talking about the kiddy crap on Cartoon network (although Code Geass and Death Note on AS makes me happy) then I bet you would see a drop in downloads. |
If there was a big enough market for it, it'd be there. You wanting it doesn't make it the broadcaster's obligation to give it to you. You have a vastly over-inflated sense of your own entitlements and importance.
| Quote: | | I surmise that even you would have to agree that in America that the majority of the people who watch anime are between the ages of 12-30, (that's going a little high on the age bracket) in between those numbers are the ages of Highschool and college students, who I am sorry to say cannot afford to shell out 54+ bucks for anime.. hell they have to shell out 21+ for 4 episodes... |
Anime is a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or wait for a sale. Or buy it second hand. Or rent it. Or join an anime club.
If just wanting something and not being able to afford it is enough of an argument, where the hell is my Aston Martin?
| Quote: | | how is that fair when SEASONS of Scrubs, House, Bones ect sell for 34.00. |
Fair?! How is imported non-essential item A being more expensive than domestic non-essential item B a question of fairness?
"Norwegian jarlsburg cheese costs more than English cheddar cheese - it's not fair!"
| Quote: | | The target audience is young adults people who can barely afford school let alone anime... and the industry knows this. They simply refuse to change... bottom line. |
Yeah man, ADV and Funi hate the kids and they want to deprive them of anime. That's why they charge so much for it. It's a conspiracy. Geneon hated the kids so much that they went out of business rather than giving away boxsets in playgrounds for a dollar a piece like they should have done. Screw you, evil anime industry!
| Quote: | To surmise and please riddle me this; Why should I have to suffer because America does not show anime on main stream television? Why should I have to suffer because an industry refuses to change?
Why should I have to suffer because the American censoring BS is so rampant that decent manga and anime never get licenced?
Explain that and a box of kittens. |
You aren't suffering - you're just being a teenager.
Anime gets censored in Japan too.
Decent anime and manga get licensed all the time.
If nobody pays for anime, they'll stop making it and then you won't be able to watch new shows for any price.
The kittens are your problem. |
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Batman3777
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| Moomintroll wrote: | | Absolute genius. |
You are the second or third English person to post today with the clarity and incisiveness that absolutely floors me. Thank you so much for such brilliance.
You have hit the nail right on the head, so, Kudos!
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Joshua-Sensei
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:37 pm |
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Why shouldn't you have to wait? It's not something you actually have a need for or a right to. |
Granted but at the same time it's my past time, I enjoy watching it. Why should I be deprived of a series because it was not licenced for whatever reason.
| Quote: | | It wasn't banned. The publisher decided it wasn't appropriate. How is that being banned? If it had been banned, it would be illegal and you'd have even less right to it. |
That's my mistake, I was informed it was banned in the US, my mistake, my misunderstanding.
| Quote: | | How is not getting every anime and manga ever released in your hands for free within 24 hours "suffering"? You don't know the meaning of the word. |
I know what it means to suffer but that's besides the point.
I would be willing to pay for the anime I downloaded if it were reasonably priced. Also who says I have to have it in 24 hours. I have been waiting 4 years for He is my master to be released in the Us and guess what never happened...
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If there was a big enough market for it, it'd be there. You wanting it doesn't make it the broadcaster's obligation to give it to you. You have a vastly over-inflated sense of your own entitlements and importance. |
There is a call for it... I mean if there is a call in America for tv stations like RFD tv or "The Hunting channel." on regular cable in America there is no reason why anime should no be mainstream tv.
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Anime is a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or wait for a sale. Or buy it second hand. Or rent it. Or join an anime club.
If just wanting something and not being able to afford it is enough of an argument, where the hell is my Aston Martin? |
You're right it is a luxury but for those of us who can't afford it you say just don't watch it? I am deprived of an art form because I am poor? Wow... that's totally awesome.
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Fair?! How is imported non-essential item A being more expensive than domestic non-essential item B a question of fairness?
"Norwegian jarlsburg cheese costs more than English cheddar cheese - it's not fair!" |
Fine bad example Dr. Who, imported from Britain, sells for 34.00 a season. The original Office, which was a BBC show (you know this obviously) sells for 29.99... Monty Python ect... Now what is your answer to that?
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Yeah man, ADV and Funi hate the kids and they want to deprive them of anime. That's why they charge so much for it. It's a conspiracy. Geneon hated the kids so much that they went out of business rather than giving away boxsets in playgrounds for a dollar a piece like they should have done. Screw you, evil anime industry! |
99.00 for the Evangelion boxset is ridiculous, 75.00 for Gantz, if you were to buy all of the Decective Conan episodes (currently at 487) (if they all were licenced mind you) you would be spending upwards of 1,500+ dollars.. when entire series of things like MASH, SITC, and Friends sell for 199.00 and they are around 250+ episodes... Now I know you're going to say well it's imported.. fine... Monty Python has around 100+ episodes in their flying circus, and it sells in the us for 75.00... imported and not overly priced....
| Quote: | You aren't suffering - you're just being a teenager.
Anime gets censored in Japan too.
Decent anime and manga get licensed all the time.
If nobody pays for anime, they'll stop making it and then you won't be able to watch new shows for any price.
The kittens are your problem. |
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I'm not a teenager sir, but this is the internet age is easily mistaken.
Maybe suffering was too harsh a word, blame the American people for throwing the word around, (kinda like the word love) deprived would have been a better choice of words.
I understand that decent anime and mange gets licenced.. that is understandable... but at the cost of other decent anime and manga.
Then again we are talking anime and manga when I usually download live action series... now I would like to see your argument for those.. since RARELY are they ever licenced in America...
I pay for my anime that has been licenced in the US, or if the anime company it's self sends a C&D letter to the fan subbing group, it's not like I just go on downloading sprees and download everything can get my hands on.. for instance Romeo x Juliet, as soon as the C&D letter was sent I stopped downloading it, I respected the wishes of the company to not have it fansubbed...
I drowned the kittens.. they meowed to much.
| Batman3777 wrote: | | Moomintroll wrote: | | Absolute genius. |
You are the second or third English person to post today with the clarity and incisiveness that absolutely floors me. Thank you so much for such brilliance.
You have hit the nail right on the head, so, Kudos!
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Letting some one else express your views in not the way to debate something.. I wanted to hear your answers not you give him a pat on the butt and say "good game." |
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posterior_praiser
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| Quote: | | Fine bad example Dr. Who, imported from Britain, sells for 34.00 a season. The original Office, which was a BBC show (you know this obviously) sells for 29.99... Monty Python ect... Now what is your answer to that? |
I can explain this my friend. Dr Who, or the Office are in english languge. They do not have to have the price increased to cover the cost of an english language version added to them, like anime does (not that I care for dubs, but thats another story altogether). Also, both shows have a larger following than the majority of anime in North America, which means more people will buy it, which means they can sell it cheaper and still make a profit.
Anime is expensive cause it doesn't sell alot, and because they have to cover extra production costs that english language media does not. I still think the single dvde releases are a waste of money, but that does not mean that the prices are entirely unreaonable. The problem is the way they are marketed IMO. |
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Joshua-Sensei
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I can explain this my friend. Dr Who, or the Office are in english languge. They do not have to have the price increased to cover the cost of an english language version added to them, like anime does (not that I care for dubs, but thats another story altogether). Also, both shows have a larger following than the majority of anime in North America, which means more people will buy it, which means they can sell it cheaper and still make a profit.
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True.. I didn't think about that... but why not just release it with subtitles... most anime fans would rather watch those than hear Naruto scream "believe it"
I was going to say something about Spanish porn having to be translated... but then again.. it's porn... there is a huge demand for it.....
| Quote: | | Anime is expensive cause it doesn't sell alot, and because they have to cover extra production costs that english language media does not. I still think the single dvd releases are a waste of money, but that does not mean that the prices are entirely unreaonable. The problem is the way they are marketed IMO. |
This I will agree with you on.. I work at the Best Buy.. and honestly what you are paying for with most box sets is a pretty box....
I was able to get the Witchblade box set for around 15.00 (I get a discount on some titles) and honestly all the added Crap was not needed.. I took the disk put it in my binder... and the rest of the stuff lays in a cardboard box deep within the confines of my closet.
I would disagree with you on it being unreasonable though... 24.99-30.99 for 4 episodes is a little ridiculous... as far as the language thing.. Jet li movies have to be translated ( the old ones) and you can usually pick those movies up for 19.99 where as something like Howls moving castle (bad example it's Disney)... um.. let's say... AH HA! the new Burst Angel OVA 1 Episode that is 45-50 minutes long for 24.99... that's a little unreasonable..
Now don't get me wrong not all anime is overly priced... I picked up the complete series of Escaflowne for 24.99, same with Maburaho, and a few other titles...
I guess it really just comes down to the company that licenced it and it's popularity or how long it's been out but even then it's touch and go.. for example Evangelion 99.99 for 26 freaking episodes? I mean yeah you get a cool metal box.. but give me the dvds for 34.99 and keep the damn 60 dollar box I say.
Btw I want to thank you for the politeness in your post.. the sad fact that there is so much hostility on the internet is sad... your non use of sarcasm is refreshing to say the least. |
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posterior_praiser
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| Quote: | | but why not just release it with subtitles... most anime fans would rather watch those than hear Naruto scream "believe it" |
I would prefer it that way to lower prices and get faster releases, but apparently dubs are what sell in the North American market because people can get the subbed version for free on the internet, while dubs are rarely shared. I think dvd releases are difficult because of the short attention spans of the 'gotta have it now' culture that will often watch the subs as they are released and then the fan interest dies down long before the dvds are released.
I personally would buy more anime if it was released in a timely manner in a boxest format and won't make me squirm when i see the price.
| Quote: | | I would disagree with you on it being unreasonable though... 24.99-30.99 for 4 episodes is a little ridiculous... |
Not really I don't think so. many newly released dvd movies go for prices like that. they get cheaper as they get older (just like anime) Its good to buy older titles with anime cause you can pick them up cheap  !
| Quote: | | but give me the dvds for 34.99 and keep the damn 60 dollar box I say. |
Agreed. I don't want trinkets. I just want my dvds. Like many of these single releases which cost too much for a stupid trinket and a box with the dvd. I could care less. @.@
| Quote: | | Btw I want to thank you for the politeness in your post.. the sad fact that there is so much hostility on the internet is sad... your non use of sarcasm is refreshing to say the least. |
haha you're welcome.
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Keonyn
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| Joshua-Sensei wrote: | | True.. I didn't think about that... but why not just release it with subtitles... most anime fans would rather watch those than hear Naruto scream "believe it" |
A very poor and selfish assumption. While maybe the diehards and purists you'll find on the anime boards around the internet may prefer it that way, the fact is that dubs draw in a large audience and they would likely lose more than they would save by abandoning them and it would only serve to ensure anime would be trapped as a major niche product.
Animation has the unique aspect of being easily dubbed, unlike live-action where live actors are much harder to match mouth movements and vocals too. The dub itself is only a small fraction of the cost of the disc as most of that is in licensing. Which brings us to your other comment. Those Jet Li movies are generally heavily funded by US studios either directly or indirectly, so they have the rights from the start. That is not the case with anime so the licensors have to pay for licensing which is why anime costs a lot more. On top of that an anime disc with 4 to 5 episodes generally only costs 19.99 unless you're buying from FYE. Those 4 to 5 episodes equal roughly 2 hours of entertainment, the same amount you are getting from that Jet Li film that is also 19.99.
The box isn't $60, and if your employee discount at Best Buy will give it to you for that then that means that is what Best Buy is marking up, has nothing to do with the licensors. That tin and the dubbing and those extras cost very little; you can look in that section of Best Buy with all those documentaries in tins for $16.99 to recognize the simple economics at play there. You're paying for the license, plain and simple, that is where the bulk of the money goes in this industry. |
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Avacado Burger
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| Joshua-Sensei wrote: |
Now on to the "being able to afford it comment"
I surmise that even you would have to agree that in America that the majority of the people who watch anime are between the ages of 12-30, (that's going a little high on the age bracket) in between those numbers are the ages of Highschool and college students, who I am sorry to say cannot afford to shell out 54+ bucks for anime.. hell they have to shell out 21+ for 4 episodes... how is that fair when SEASONS of Scrubs, House, Bones ect sell for 34.00.
The target audience is young adults people who can barely afford school let alone anime... and the industry knows this. They simply refuse to change... bottom line. |
Anime boxsets cost much more than, say, a Heroes boxset in America simply because the anime company has made little to no ad revenue on the show they are trying to sell. A primetime major network show like Heroes or Scrubs already has a major installed userbase on US television, along with the ad rates that go along with it. Anime has maybe this forum and maybe a hundred thousand people at best, with almost zero network exposure outside of Cartoon Network. Needless to say, there's nothing to fall back on when a series chokes hard.
It's not the anime companies being greedy, trying to fill up swimming pools of gold coins; It's more of the fact that anime is a niche product, and with all nche products, you have to charge more to cover the losses when you sell to the relative few that actually buy it.
EDIT: I forgot to add that primetime viewers have the luxury of being able to switch channels and be able to consume a variety of different shows, which can also draw in a large audience. Anime consumers don't have this privelage, save Cartoon Network and the odd independent channels that will throw a Miyazaki movie into the repetoire once in awhile.
Less exposure to the general public = less revenue. |
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ilikehotaznz
Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:28 am |
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I'm glad that I appear to have stimulated conversation, and created dialogue in this thread.
The biggest problem facing the issue of digital hyperdistribution of copyrighted content is the ignorance of opinions on both sides of the spectrum. The worst way to attempt to solve the problem is to sue and jail average people for engaging in digital hyperdistribution. It is counterproductive, and only fans the flames of interest.
Change never comes from the top, down. Change always starts at the bottom, and works it's way up. Regular people such as you and I have the ability to change the world. That is what is occuring... people want change.
I think there needs to be a comprensive dialogue between the consumers and the rights holders, to establish a way for digital hyperdistribution of content and artist compensation to co-exist.
This has very little to do with downloading, and more to do with being able to have venues of media that take advantage of today's digital hyperdistribution technology. Television timeslots, and a controlled entertainment experience are on the way out, and on-demand entertainment is on the way in. |
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