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NEWS: Singapore's Pacnet Ordered to Name Anime Downloaders

oh for christ's sakes -_-

Here's another article on it:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Courts%2Band%2BCrime/STIStory_201361.html

Yeah, sure Odex won. They don't exactly get the names of the downloaders and still have no rights to fine them.

Oh and now they have to pay PacNet $20,000 for legal fees, but I'm sure that's not going to be a problem, seeing they've already fined...er...I mean, stole thousands of dollars from 9-year-olds.

So the fate of our fellow PacNet users is in the hands of the Japanese studios themselves, and not really Odex directly.

Odex still has a lot to improve on. SO WHAT if you air subbed D.Gray-Man 3 days after first airing in Japan? You subbed to Noah Clan into "Ancient Family" like wth?! and then give the reason that it's a "sensitive, religious issue".

Which retard would feel offended because the bad guys are called Noah and being led by a big Penguin Man who wants to take over the world using Undead Model Kits??

This is one of the few times I'm happy with the U.S. legal system. Over here they'd first have to file a john doe suit and then prove there was a crime first before the identity could be revealed.

Well about the best that can be done now is the Japanese studios can send them a bill for the cost of the R2 DVD equivalent of the downloads. That's about it. And of course they don't have to pay at all if they don't want to. They are not Singaporian companies. This went down just about as I expected, right to the ruling and what has to be paid.

Mmmmm the article title is pretty misleading. This is not what Odex really wanted since they don't get the IDs themselves and the court ruled that Odex has no cause of action on its own. So saying that Odex "Wins Appeal" is pretty wrong, even if that's what the original article mistakedly said. In fact the judge dismissed Odex's claims and ordered them to pay the ISP $20,000 in legal fees.

so basically odex has no more rights than anyone else and if anyone wants to do anything about it then the copyright holders have to come down and do it their self, isn't this basically what was already presumed if things didn't go odex's way.

Thanks for the title/article update and edit, it now more accurately reflects what happened.

Meanwhile, at the sametime in Europe (Spain), a judge has faild that "Internet providers are under no obligation of giving the names of music downloaders" (which can be applied to anime, I think).

Link here, sorry in Spanish only.

here is an english version of that

http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/

I'm all for justice, so naturally its more than a little unsettling when a business might get a shot at attacking individuals. Does no one see that as unfair? There's no way say some engineer could hold his own against the Disney lawyers...

I don't quite follow what you are saying. Anyways, I am against the idea of suing people based of data that says they downloaded something, All they have is an IP address so all they can prove is someone used that persons computer or network, it doesn't prove the bill payer did it. It should be circumstantial evidence as far as I'm concerned unless you can prove the person lives alone and no one visits or uses persons connection, although the law has many times( but not always) said that the owner is responsible for what happens on their network. Its kind of like saying if someone stole my gun and killed someone with it I am responsible for murder since the gun was mine even though I didn't actually commit the crime. Most people who watch anime are young these days anyways, so I would say in most cases your making innocent people pay for it while the person doing it probably won't get no more than a spanking(let alone being convinced to stop).

Too bad for the people Odex jacked off already before this ruling was handed out.

I wonder if they sent even a cent of that to the original license holders.

Fansubbing and botlegs are a hard topic to deal with. I think that the japanese companies have fail to understand the market overseas, WE don't WANT CRAPPY DVDS WITH 2 EPISODES FOR US $30 OR TV SERIES THAT DOESN'T END, WITH HEAVY CENSORSHIP, BAD DUBBING AND TOTALY CHANGED STORYLINES TO FIT OUR INFERIOR WESTERN TASTE.

WE WANT ANIME!! in their pure original form, and Internet has given us that freedom. Tecnology is changing everything, Apple learned from Napster... people don't want to buy a CD with 10 bad songs and 2 hits, we want to listen to the hits, over and over again in our mp3 players. Napster gave us that freedom, now i-tunes continue with that, we pay for the music we really want to hear... i don't get why the japanese studios don't learn from fan subs... online distribution is the present, not the future of anime overseas.

Of course i agree that producing anime demands money, that the seiyuus, animators, directors and all the staff should enjoy a piece of the cake, its their job and i m willing to pay for it. But according to what i know they usually just get a tiny piece of the cake and tv channels and big corporations that buy and sell anime licences get the money, from us, without giving a damn about the quality of the product they are selling. They tell me what i can watch and what i can't watch.

Of course i know that some companies want to be serious and give something good, but i m talking not as an american, i m talking as a latin american guy who only gets the leftovers of what people enjoy in other places, and that feels that according to the world order i should be dancing salsa and reggaeton, getting a tattoo of La Virgen de Guadalupe and selling marihuana, because the money i make in the factory is not enough to sustain a decent living. I don't want to play that game.

I like anime, i like to watch anime in japanese language with spanish subtitles, with the karaoke, with the cultural explanations, with all the extras that the japanese otakus enjoy in Japan. I consider myself as intelligent as any japanese, with a small explanation i can laugh to their jokes as much as any of them. So i say that its time instead of starting a stupid witch hunt, the anime studios acknowleage the big market they have overseas and their needs, and how we are growing day by day.

Internet have given us the freedom to watch what we want to watch, as it did with the music. Some might be afraid of this freedom, but i belive that we should protect it and make it better, so everybody wins, fans all around the world and people that work producing these wonderful masterpieces.

BTW, some might say that anime is not something essential to life, i agree, but culture is something essential to any person, and if something like anime, literature or music is denied from a group of people and you allow it, you are taking away from them the possibility of enjoy something that could make their lives better.

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