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Dorcas_Aurelia



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:08 pm Reply with quote
I don't know, haven't read it.
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:23 pm Reply with quote
lord eydvar wrote:
But would you agree that Sand Chronicles is a SoL manga?


I haven't read it either but the ANN review's synopsis of volumes 1 and 2 reads:

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When debt drives her parents to divorce, Ann Uekusa moves abruptly from Tokyo to her mother's hometown in the rural province of Shimane. Although Ann is able to make friends with the locals her age, most notably Daigo, whom she eventually starts to date, and the Tsukishima siblings Fuji and Shika, her mother soon falls into despair and commits suicide. Then, in her last year of middle school, Ann's father shows up in Shimane, eager to bring her back to Tokyo. Though reluctant at first to leave a place she has grown to love, Ann decides it's worth it to go to high school in the city. Unfortunately, that means a long distance relationship with Daigo and only Fuji around to console her…


That's not slice of life. It's drama.
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Dan42
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:43 pm Reply with quote
lord eydvar wrote:
I don't agree with that generalization at all! Yes some slice of life manga/anime are boring plotless and mundane but those are the one that don't last! Tke for example Sand Chronicles! It is a slice of life manga but is not boring or plotless. I think slice of life should be classified as a manga or anime whos events and plots could happen in a normal (non overly dramatic) setting. As in in Real Life!

The genre is "slice of life", not "real life" or "life story". That "slice" part the the defining element of the genre; you should get the impression you have jumped at random in the middle of an ongoing story and jump out again before the story reaches it's conclusion. That's why it's just a slice, not a story.
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rti9



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:44 am Reply with quote
Arguing with posters one by one is pointless. The audits give power to the majority and the majority of people auditing views slice of life as this bizarre logic of "it could happen in real life". The results of the current genre search are pretty much a joke to me. I only use the production year part of that search. Looking back at the NEW GENRES thread, it seems too much time was spent with the definitions. In theory, everything is fine. In practice, it doesn't work. The problem is that most of the people auditing don't use those definitions. Even if they are explicitly displayed on top of the genre selection. The majority goes by their own interpretation of the genres/themes.

The questions that should be asked are:
Is there a way to alter the audits so that Dan42's definitions become the norm?
Should the audits be altered even though they are probably serving the majority's needs?
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lord eydvar



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:37 pm Reply with quote
rti9 wrote:
Arguing with posters one by one is pointless. The audits give power to the majority and the majority of people auditing views slice of life as this bizarre logic of "it could happen in real life". The results of the current genre search are pretty much a joke to me. I only use the production year part of that search. Looking back at the NEW GENRES thread, it seems too much time was spent with the definitions. In theory, everything is fine. In practice, it doesn't work. The problem is that most of the people auditing don't use those definitions. Even if they are explicitly displayed on top of the genre selection. The majority goes by their own interpretation of the genres/themes.

The questions that should be asked are:
Is there a way to alter the audits so that Dan42's definitions become the norm?
Should the audits be altered even though they are probably serving the majority's needs?

I'll agree but there should be a new Genre for Manga/Anime that doesn't quite fit Drama or SoL. I would agree that Sand Chronicles is more of a Real Life manga so we should add a Real Life option when choosing a Genre!

Real Life would be manga/anime whos events could and probably have happened in real life. So no sci-fi, fantesy, or anything else that is improbable or impossible to happen in reality!
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Dan42
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:29 am Reply with quote
I just did a little rewrite of the drama & slice of life definitions. Previously drama ended with "Highly emotional themes, interpersonal conflicts and tension are the norm" and slice of life ended with "the kind of ordinary, every-day life that anyone could have within that setting."

That might have misled some people into thinking that slice of life was characterized by realism and drama characterized by melodrama. I've changed the definitions to make it clearer that drama doesn't have to be that highly emotional, and I tried to emphasize that slice of life is about commonplace stories rather than realistic "it could happen" stories.

I'm also thinking about adding melodrama, so that we'd have a continuum of dramatic-ness: slice of life -> drama -> melodrama.

Thought?
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lord eydvar



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:38 pm Reply with quote
Dan42 wrote:
I just did a little rewrite of the drama & slice of life definitions. Previously drama ended with "Highly emotional themes, interpersonal conflicts and tension are the norm" and slice of life ended with "the kind of ordinary, every-day life that anyone could have within that setting."

That might have misled some people into thinking that slice of life was characterized by realism and drama characterized by melodrama. I've changed the definitions to make it clearer that drama doesn't have to be that highly emotional, and I tried to emphasize that slice of life is about commonplace stories rather than realistic "it could happen" stories.

I'm also thinking about adding melodrama, so that we'd have a continuum of dramatic-ness: slice of life -> drama -> melodrama.

Thought?

Yeah i think that might work a bit better. I was getting confused by that as well which is why i thought Sand Chronicles was Slice of Life. I still think there should be a Real Life catergory or even just a sub-genre underneath drama for it.
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rti9



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:55 pm Reply with quote
Dan42, just like in this thread, you have too much faith in the auditors. The majority of people, not even restricting to ANN contributors, doesn't read instructions.
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nobahn
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:40 pm Reply with quote
A question: Does Blue Gender (TV) qualify as a drama? I can see it as a war drama. With its ending, it is not a slice-of-life.
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Dessa



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:42 pm Reply with quote
It has drama, but I wouldn't say that it is drama.
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nobahn
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:51 pm Reply with quote
Another question: How to categorize Memories (movie)? It's a 3-part anthology; with one part ("Stink Bomb") being a slice-of-life while another ("Magnetic Rose") is more of a drama.
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Dessa



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:37 pm Reply with quote
Personal opinion, but given that it's 3 shorter titles released as a set, I'd say that it probably should be split into an omnibus (was the same done for Animatrix or the Batman one? Don't remember). Each one gets its own entry with its own staff and cast and genre/themes, and the omnibus has the overall info.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:28 am Reply with quote
It already is.
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nobahn
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:33 pm Reply with quote
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Then exactly why is there an audit being conducted for the Memories (movie) encyclopedia page?
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