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NEWS: China Extends Bans on Foreign Animation, Horror


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Chiaki777



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:20 pm Reply with quote
Well, we talk so much about how the state of China is doing so much to limit the expansion of Japanese media, at least they're forcing it, unlike some countries that just don't bother to elect any laws barring foreign media, but rather, those working in the top consciously ignore non-mainstream media.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:32 pm Reply with quote
Proman: My point is that their ambivalent behavior towards human rights in general is why people like Spielberg are complaining. Though he ought to add the Tibetan occupation and Tiananmen Square to the list...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:38 pm Reply with quote
I wholly agree with the general sentiment here that China is making an @$$ out of themselves, etc. So I'm glad I don't really have to say anything extra because everyone else's comments are already enough.

LordPrometheus wrote:
This is exactly right, and yet another example (as if we needed one) of why Communism sucks donkey butt.

However, I completely disagree and take offense by this post by LordPrometheus. There's nothing wrong with Communism, it's simply another form of government that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work. I get sick of hearing American rednecks and hillbillies berate other forms of government, under the stupid misconception that Democracy is the "best", "ideal", or "perfect" form of government, none of which is actually true.

This foreign television animation ban in China is the result of their government, but NOT the result of Communism. There's other communist countries out there that don't have bans like this. And there's nothing in a democratic society such as ours that directly prevents the USA government from enacting a similar ban if they so wished. Our own country has tariffs and such on tons of things, something that an ignoramus such as yourself is unaware of I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Porcupine wrote:
Our own country has tariffs and such on tons of things, something that an ignoramus such as yourself is unaware of I guess.

ABC is involved in a big hooha over bare bottoms briefly shown on one TV show right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:32 pm Reply with quote
mufurc wrote:
dormcat: I don't claim to be particularly knowledge-able about East Asian politics, but this is like saying that beliefs and policies don't ever influence people's decisions and the way they operate.

You misunderstood what I was talking about.

Post WWII Asian economy models, led by Japan and followed by Four Dragons (Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan), Four Tigers (Indonesia, Malaysia, The Philippines, Thailand), and China, were based on Keynesian economics, where the government is the biggest investor of the country and decides the direction of economical development. When government announces an industry to be "emphasized" i.e. with tax reduction, infrastructure support, educational fundings, etc., a whole bunch of entrepreneurs would try to grab as much share as possible, and those who are powerful enough (such as Japan Business Federation / Nippon Keidanren) to influence the establishment of those policies and choose which industry to "emphasize" can benefit the most. They'd use whatever means -- legal/reasonable or not -- to maximize their interests. While US has long gone out of government-led economical investments since New Deal (not to mention that US lacks equivalent employer's organizations), China is still in the middle of it, and if I remember correctly animation is one of those "emphasized" industries.

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i vote for fansubs! ...oh, theres no voting in china.

Sinophobes, whether at 2ch or here, are equally pathetic.
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posterior_praiser



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:08 pm Reply with quote
I'd be more concerned about the huge dam their building that's going to put millions out of their homes, and drastically change China's geographical landscape than the fact that those who get to watch TV are going to have endure more cencorship in order to feed Chinese business.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:36 am Reply with quote
Porcupine wrote:
LordPrometheus wrote:
This is exactly right, and yet another example (as if we needed one) of why Communism sucks donkey butt.

However, I completely disagree and take offense by this post by LordPrometheus. There's nothing wrong with Communism, it's simply another form of government that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work.


Unfortunately, that is not true. in the overwhelming majority of instances.

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I get sick of hearing American rednecks and hillbillies berate other forms of government, under the stupid misconception that Democracy is the "best", "ideal", or "perfect" form of government, none of which is actually true.


Undoubtedly it is not perfect or ideal. However I would describe it as best of available options since it at least does not allow for the country to easily slip into an oppressive dictatorship as communism does.

I agree that the old idea of communism as pure evil is just silly. Communism is by no means entirely bad and in fact is very solid in principle. However, it clearly has proven time and again to be hugely flawed due to potential corruption.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:20 am Reply with quote
I think that we are more or less questioning the manner in which this rule is being implemented. Sure, a 4-hour ban would raise heckles amongst us, but when we stop to think about it, why is their "brand of animation" inferior compared to the "Japanese brand"?

Comparing this to the state of the animation industry where I'm from, and you'll see part of the reason why the Chinese government had to do what they had to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:16 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Porcupine wrote:
LordPrometheus wrote:
This is exactly right, and yet another example (as if we needed one) of why Communism sucks donkey butt.

However, I completely disagree and take offense by this post by LordPrometheus. There's nothing wrong with Communism, it's simply another form of government that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work.


Unfortunately, that is not true. in the overwhelming majority of instances.

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I get sick of hearing American rednecks and hillbillies berate other forms of government, under the stupid misconception that Democracy is the "best", "ideal", or "perfect" form of government, none of which is actually true.


Undoubtedly it is not perfect or ideal. However I would describe it as best of available options since it at least does not allow for the country to easily slip into an oppressive dictatorship as communism does.

I agree that the old idea of communism as pure evil is just silly. Communism is by no means entirely bad and in fact is very solid in principle. However, it clearly has proven time and again to be hugely flawed due to potential corruption.


Here is the problem, you're not talking about the same thing. Communism is a socioeconomic principle not a form of government which in theory is sound and reasonable. The Communist state is the applied government where the Marxist party is the only empowered political party, even if constitutionally other parties are allowed at all. In addition to all the other oppression that goes on in a Communist state, forced nationalism is abundant and that's what is happening in China with regards to this article so I disagree with Porcupine when he said that it wasn't Communism's fault, just China.

Communists can work inside other forms of government as a political party just fine but as a form of government itself it's a failure in almost every example. Look at such shining examples as N. Korea and Cuba. Vietnam has been instituting free market economic reforms for over 2 decades. Laos and China have been as well, though China is taking a step backwards here, so I guess Communism isn't a complete success for them as well. If someone can show me a strong, long lasting Communist state that's not oppressing it's people heavily I'd be much obliged.

I won't go into the demerits of the forms capitalism and democracy, I'm sure this post has some length limits. Of course most democracies allow opposing viewpoints and Communists can form parties and effect socialistic changes when needed.
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Porcupine



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:09 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken, while I do utilize it myself somewhat, Wikipedia is not always a reputable source of evidence for things. In this case in particular you should note that the article you linked is referenced as being in need of editing or deletion, and/or being untrue and un-neutral.

I don't mind people linking to Wikipedia for references but when their linked articles have one of the "the contents of this article are questionable" flags boldly written at the top, they shouldn't bother.

ikillchicken wrote:
Undoubtedly it is not perfect or ideal. However I would describe it as best of available options since it at least does not allow for the country to easily slip into an oppressive dictatorship as communism does.

I agree that the old idea of communism as pure evil is just silly. Communism is by no means entirely bad and in fact is very solid in principle. However, it clearly has proven time and again to be hugely flawed due to potential corruption.

I sort of agree with you on some points but not on others. I personally do not agree that democracy is the best of available options. Should we start a political argument here? I think that would be pointless (and in some online forums is against the rules).

It should simply be pointed out that people disagree on matters of politics and economics, and I'm not the only one in this thread disagreeing. So comments like those made by LordPrometheus or saorren, which attack a country's form of economic and/or political government, should not be allowed to slide.
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GhstDreamer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:36 pm Reply with quote
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I don't think that trying to support national products is that bad of a thing in general, it's done in Canada all the time (Canadian television stations have to meet a certain quote of Canadian content). But China is going a bit overboard and just making themselves look worse.


That's true - I live in Canada as well and there is quite a high quota to broadcast shows with Canadian content. That's the reason why TechTV in Canada don't really have anime on because it'll go over the quota of airing foreign produced shows. Also the Canadian government has a bad habit of forcing newspaper companies to print what is relatively favourable towards the government (like what happened with the Ottawa Citizen years back - they were threatened to pull an article from publication which they ended up doing so). This kind of stuff can happen in democratic societies as well.

However, I hate the idea of censorship in art and literature (which includes manga) in any form regardless of which country is imposing it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:01 am Reply with quote
halo wrote:
Here is the problem, you're not talking about the same thing. Communism is a socioeconomic principle not a form of government


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There's nothing wrong with Communism, it's simply another form of government that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work.


Porcupine seems to be talking specifically about communism as a form of government. You are correct that Communist State may be the correct term. However, it seems you are the only one not talking about the same thing.


Porcupine:

I must point out that though Wikipedia is questionable I think most other sources would say the same. If there are a significant number of cases where this is untrue it would be news to me. However, It is likely best we just drop this since it is off topic.
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zetsuie



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:43 pm Reply with quote
Porcupine wrote:

However, I completely disagree and take offense by this post by LordPrometheus. There's nothing wrong with Communism, it's simply another form of government that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work. I get sick of hearing American rednecks and hillbillies berate other forms of government, under the stupid misconception that Democracy is the "best", "ideal", or "perfect" form of government, none of which is actually true.
I don't know why they would say that ablout democracy considering America is a Republic Government not a democracy (A Republic has elected representatives who run the government)
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