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NEWS: Shigofumi #8 Altered after Recent Events in Japan


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Tyrenol



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:02 pm Reply with quote
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This is a really good marketing startegy......censor the TV so we buy the DVD. And it's working....DAMN YOU BVUSA. DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!


OR... We could all just ignore their little stunts.

"This show had been altered after recent events..." Controversy be damned; if a show was such a bad idea to begin with, why waste all that time and money doing it?

And every wonders why "late-night anime" gets around 2% of the viewing audience. The financial news comes back; they can make more money off of the merchandise. But they keep flinging that garbage as people, and they WILL fall down that dreaded hole; sooner if not later.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:34 pm Reply with quote
I personally think these episodes should be shown in all their glory. Sure, I'm not the best person to ask when it comes to what to put on television, but it would certainly be a nice wake-up call to the Japanese on a lot of these issues. (Like the unaired spoiler[bullying] episode.)
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FireChick



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:49 pm Reply with quote
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To be more precise though, it's not tourists the Japanese are angry at, it's the US Military they are angry with. There are at least 2 claims of rape pointed at the US Marines, and several cases of tresspassing, theft and drunken behaviour by other members of the US Military in Japan. Currently I believe all US military members in Japan are being being told not to leave the US bases unless they have to for outside job purposes.


Wow. You're lucky I'm not the kind of people they're talking about. I mean, I'm too young for that stuff. Sorry for the slight off-topicness.
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BellosTheMighty



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:02 pm Reply with quote
TsukasaElkKite wrote:
AGAIN?!

The next thing we know, they'll put a black screen on with the text "we're sorry. This episode was too graphic for TV, so we replaced it with these cute pictures of kittens."


Umm... Actually...

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You can get good Japanese news info in English here:


Uh, no you can't. I've heard about that publication- it's essentially the JP equivalent of the "The National Enquirer"- scandal, rumor, and sensationalism, with zero reputation for quality journalism.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Aromatic Grass wrote:
I personally think these episodes should be shown in all their glory. Sure, I'm not the best person to ask when it comes to what to put on television, but it would certainly be a nice wake-up call to the Japanese on a lot of these issues. (Like the unaired spoiler[bullying] episode.)


Yeah, I'm with you here all the way. I can see why maybe they wouldn't want to show it since it might be too much for those who have been through that sort of thing before, but that's what disclaimers and PSA messages are for. The fact of the matter still remains that sometimes people just need to see things from the point of view of those who are the victims in these cases, especially Japanese since aparently they haven't gotten it through their heads yet. Gee, I wonder why...... And if anything, the fact that we here in America seem to thrive off of showing movies/TV shows that deal with these same issues should be proof of how that works.

And people think that Utah is too much of an overly protective bubble....... Laughing
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hurricanefransee



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:59 pm Reply with quote
ya know i understand they have to take some peoples feelings into understanding with this type of stuff. and i have not got a chance to watch this anime yet but i feel that they should ether all episodes or none at all. cuse some where down the line an events in the other episodes are bound to happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:10 pm Reply with quote
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*sighs and opens wallet*

The shun has temporarily been lifted, BVUSA. Be grateful.
You do realise that's goona get you puntd out of the spiral tribe. Don't you?

because BVusa are the Anti Spirals of the anime industry. Never forewords, just where you are.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:11 pm Reply with quote
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You can get good Japanese news info in English here:
Uh, no you can't. I've heard about that publication- it's essentially the JP equivalent of the "The National Enquirer"- scandal, rumor, and sensationalism, with zero reputation for quality journalism.


Yeah, I wouldn't trust that site to offer up any competent journalism. If they get a story right it's most likely by accident than by any actual research.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:08 pm Reply with quote
Tyrenol wrote:
DmonHiro wrote:
This is a really good marketing startegy......censor the TV so we buy the DVD. And it's working....DAMN YOU BVUSA. DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!


OR... We could all just ignore their little stunts.


E-yep... I decided back when they put out Galaxy Angel Rune... I'll buy their DVDs when I can get them for $20 or less. This is just another show I'll keep in the back of my mind to get when/if the price gets that low.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quote
Doesn't this sort of thing happen all the time in the US though? So much so that it isn't even news? I mean that is pretty much an editors job isn't it? Or is it such a big deal because it takes so much time and work to make 60 seconds of animation compared to just cutting it from a film or TV?

All I am saying is that isn't this comparable to the countless scenes that are left on the cutting room floor due to graphic violence, recent events, launguage, etc. in American television only to sometimes show up as extras later on the DVDs? Or is it that US fans are so bitter at the word "edit" from certain American companies hacking up anime so bad that the mere mentioning of the word is blasphemous?

I don't know, maybe I am looking at this the wrong way.

Am I underreacting?
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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:30 am Reply with quote
How has this series not been pulled? Isn't there anything in reserve? It only seems to make sense if nearly half the episodes are going to be problematic.

Dargonxtc wrote:
I don't know, maybe I am looking at this the wrong way.

Am I underreacting?

I don't think the news hinders TV production in the United States unless it's the writer's strike or something worth pre-empting lots of television for. If anything, current events end up being the next episode of Law & Order.

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To be more precise though, it's not tourists the Japanese are angry at, it's the US Military they are angry with.

Forgive the potential political undertones, but I think Japan needs to take a number. With today's global landscape, the US military is more portrayed as the bad guy any wrong committed by the US Military, whether it be malicious, accidental or otherwise, is going to blow up and provide an excuse to pile on.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:25 am Reply with quote
Though I think cutting an entire episode is wrong, I really don't mind editing certain parts in order to sensitively respond to the environment of the time. In America, we like to challenge everything, and people will show something controversial for controversy's sake *cough*grindhouse*cough*.

I guess I just really started to notice that when I moved out of America two years ago, the only news people bothered to email me about was shooting rampages. And how many have we had in the past two years? Six now, isn't it? How much longer can we really defer responsibility away from the heavy presence of guns in our media and our spectacularization of these events? I'm not saying that violent media causes violent acts, but it certainly does water an already existing seed in someone's mind.

So, all of this is to say that if Shigofumi is being altered due to recent events, though I may not agree with the executive's decision, it IS a little refreshing to see a company trying to take responsibility for what they show.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:20 am Reply with quote
Viga_of_stars wrote:
Splitter wrote:
*sighs and opens wallet*

The shun has temporarily been lifted, BVUSA. Be grateful.


I'm still not tempted. I shall stand firm!


...but they're uncut...wah.


So what if they're uncut... if you're watching it, you've seen it for free (unless you were scammed). Why is it that necessary to see the little extra bit of violence? And why should anyone here care if one station pre-empted it, when there are 8 stations showing it? It'll still be fansubbed for you to watch. Quit whining about things that don't affect you.

And they almost always release the DVDs uncensored, so if you just have to watch it, just wait until someone subs the DVDrips, or until you can find BVUSA releases in the bargain bin, because some retailer is trying to make something off of them, other than nothing...
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Dop.L



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:31 am Reply with quote
I really don't see what the problem is.
For example, here in the UK the BBC just pulled a TV show about teenage suicide due to the recent outbreak of teenage suicides in Wales.
Editing or rescheduling of television shows out of deference to events happening in the area they're broadcast happens all the time.
Sure it can be irritating, but it's the TV station covering their backsides.

Taste. Sensitivity. Consideration of the feelings of others. These are concepts a lot of people on the internet don't appear to have any knowledge of!

You know, somehow I suspect most of the people complaining about this on this forum are not people who would be legally able to watch the broadcast...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:22 am Reply with quote
Dop.L wrote:
Taste. Sensitivity. Consideration of the feelings of others. These are concepts a lot of people on the internet don't appear to have any knowledge of!

You're right, I'm not concerned about their feelings. I think people need to see this show because it deals with a lot of common problems in Japanese society that should be recognized. If that's hurts someone's feelings, then oh well.
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