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| tempest ANN Editor in Chief  Posts: 7054 Location: Montreal |
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Pretty much exactly how I feel.
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CCSYueh Posts: 1911 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Are you all overlooking
It states some of these hentai titles have been released in Canada before. The issue they have is with Kitty apparently? What's wrong with Kitty/MB? They bring us our yaoi (YEAH!!!!) They bring us titles everyone else passes on (Tekkaman Blade) I have all of 5 non yaoi hentai titles, but really, I don't see why Cool Devices was it?-was ok as a VHS release, but now it's not? THat's in the same territory as parents who grew up watching Looney Tunes finding the cartoons too violent for their children. You can keep ketchup chips. That does sound so gross. Although it's not really that far off from In-N-Out's fries which have always impressed me as being more like a chip than a fry & thus eating them slathered in ketchup (any other way to eat fries?) is probably the same thing. I'll stick to my nacho Doritos Although the Ranch/Buffalo Wings ones were interesting. And I'll munch on my daughter's spicy nacho Doritos, but not the fiery habanero ones. And she can keep her hot cheetos. |
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| tempest ANN Editor in Chief Posts: 7054 Location: Montreal |
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While this statement is true, people can have many "freedoms," and some of them can at times be contradictory. There's a popular saying, "Your rights end where mine begin." The right to life is generally thought to take precedence over the right to free speech. This is why speech that incites violent crime is banned in most countries. I have a right to live, therefore your right to free speech does not allow you to call for someone to harm me. Canada wisely thought to enshrine the limitations of freedom of speech in its charter of rights. I believe the United States has no such allowance in the constitution or its amendments. -t |
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Vicserr Posts: 339 Location: Carolina, Puerto Rico USA |
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I ate some ketchup chips, they were ok, BBQ chips are a bit more spicier, but both of them get beaten down big by a good serving of Pita chips (and better for you) 
And about Dominion going for review, when you got a cover with 2 barely dressed android catgirls, I guess the customs officer would want to be sure it's safe for Canadian consumption. 
The Question is some of those titles are re-releases of Nutech Stuff, did the original releases were banned too? For Example: Words Worth was released in 4 parts by Nutech, did any of them got banned, because if they got thru the border originally, why is the re-release banned?, or was the Customs Office full of prudes the day that the title went for review?  Last edited by Vicserr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:25 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Shadowrun20XX Subscriber Posts: 908 Location: Las Vegas ~Hardcore Otaku |
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| Great!Making Canada's youth resort to downloading Ero,riddled through out the net.If they can't legally get it,you know what happens.Besides,I've seen worse things than any of these titles listed.Tentacle rape,guro,enemas and futanari's are weak sauce compared to what's out there,eh? Last edited by Shadowrun20XX on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:24 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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hentai4me Posts: 1312 Location: England. Robin is so Cute! |
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But such is life in politics, no party will be exactly what you want, otherwise they risk alienating a different set of people. For the party to be meaningful it must have both good policies and goals that you agree on, in principle at least if not execution, and it must also have a decently sized public backing, otherwise it merely stands off to the sides and snipes with no real power to do anything. As far as things go at the moment the Lib Dems are the party most likely to bring about the changes I want, even if they wont do everything I want and will do some things I don't want they are the best bet at the moment. Hell, they are pro-Europe which is always a plus. |
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KabaKabaFruit Posts: 468 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba |
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Oh, and I like ketchup chips but not poutine... |
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calawain Posts: 192 Location: New York, NY |
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Freedom of speech and/or expression does have exceptions, several of them in fact. The following categories of speech are considered outside of First Amendment protection (of the top of my head from a couple of weeks ago): 1) Incitement to unlawful action 2) True Threats 3) Obscenity 4) Child Pornography 5) Fighting Words 6) Malicious Libel First thing to tell you, that once again, these are legal definitions, and the operative term for this debate "obscenity" does not hold the dictionary definition. In reality, most pornography enjoys a general first amendment protection. However, it can cross the line into being obscene. In Roth v United States (354 U.S. 476), the Supreme Court noted: "Sex and obscenity are not synonymous. Obscene material is material which deals with sex in a manner appealing to prurient interest. The portrayal of sex, e.g., in art, literature and scientific works, is not itself sufficient reason to deny material the constitutional protection of freedom of speech and press. Sex, a great and mysterious motive force in human life, has indisputably been a subject of absorbing interest to mankind through the ages; it is one of the vital problems of human interest and public concern." AND "A thing is obscene if, considered as a whole, its predominant appeal is to prurient interest, i.e., a shameful or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion, and if it goes substantially beyond customary limits of candor in description or representation of such matters." Now I could write a 50 page paper outlining in even more detail where the line between obscene and non-obscene is in pornography, but once again I will emphasize most pornography enjoys protection. Also note that just because speech is protected by the first amendment doesn't mean the government is absolutely barred from regulating or blocking it. However, regulation of the content of speech entails what is called "strict scrutiny" from the courts, which usually means it's going to get thrown out. That again, would warrant a long explanation to give the details. Hopefully that's some food for thought on the U.S. side of the debate, and wasn't too tl;dr and legal speak for people. Edit: I'll add the Miller test to give it a bit more context since it came after Roth. "[Unprotected works are] limited to works which, taken as a whole, appeal to the prurient interest in sex, which portray sexual conduct in a patently offensive way, and which, taken as a whole, do not have serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value" |
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stormcrow22 Posts: 93 Location: Long Island |
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Actually, there are several Tim Horton's located throughout upstate New York, though it could possibly be attributed to their proximity to Canada. |
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marie-antoinette Posts: 2624 Location: Toronto |
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| To continue the chip debate, the US doesn't have dill pickle chips either, do they? I think that's another Canadian-only flavour (thought not as good as ketchup).
So basically the American constitution has essentially the same limitations the Canadian one does? Interesting. I don't know too much about the First Amendment, considering it has no application to me most of the time. Of course, I don't think it has the non-withstanding clause, which is probably for the best because it is a bit annoying how it has been used by Quebec in the language laws (I definitely think protecting French is good, vive la français, but not to quite the level it has been taken at times). Also, I'm not quite clear about this, but does the First Amendment only apply to the government taking action? |
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| Shakudo Posts: 2 |
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| Some posters have called Canadian sensibilities puritanical?
In a nation that allows sex, sometimes uncensored hardcore sex, on primetime cable and public toplessness in some provinces, I don't think we can be called prudes. Pretty much all the titles on that list glorify rape and violence against women. That's the issue at hand, not wether or not someone happens to see a couple boobies. (My personal take, and I have watched Cool Devices and Words Worth before this ban was enacted, is that far from being obscene, they were just flat-out boring.) This kind of hateful propoganda should rightfully be kept out of our country. |
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| JLightstar Posts: 29 Location: Venice, Florida |
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| Aside from the debate of ketchup flavored chips ( I have seen a bag of the Burger King ones at the rest area in Indiana and I was turned off.) and Dill Pickle chips ( I have seen them here cause I use to work for a gas station.) I have to ask our Canadian brothers and sisters if this ban applies to mailing part of customs or that and the border stations across the Canada/ US line?
Granted that Hentai is never going to be consider great literature or cinema, but I feel that the choice to allow it into someone home is upon the duty of the individual themselves not the government. If the government can't place their faith in their people then how do you expect the people to place their faith in the government? [/i] |
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mistress_reebi Posts: 736 Location: Canada |
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AGREED! (I love ketchup and Dill-pickle chips, although I hate having the powder on my hands after) OT: I moved to Ottawa for school and they pronounce poutine like pou-tin, while in Toronto we call it pou-teen. How do you guys from different parts of Canada pronouce it? I still call it pou-teen. Back on topic I'm glad Canada seized the rape hentai since I don't see a point in how it's beneficial. Maybe people like rape porn but if it's explicit I don't see a point in watching something that glorifies something terrible. There are other genres of porn.
I know, it's kind of ironic how we would ban porn when anyone can watch it on network TV. Then again, we aren't banning regular hentai. This has been mentioned before, but in Canada if the freedom of speech infringes other rights then it's not considered freedom of speech. (ie. If Someone writes a book on their hatred towards a particular group/religion would be considered a hate crime rather than freedom of expression) Even though freedom of expression is a wonderful thing to have, there has to be limits. Yes, no ones rights were taken by banning rape porn but there isn't a need for it. As I said before, there are other genres of porn that are perfectlly legal. |
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| marie-antoinette Posts: 2624 Location: Toronto |
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I'm from Ottawa originally, I actually use pou-tin, pou-teen, and the actual French pronunciation too. I try to use the French, but more often pou-tin sneaks in. And yeah, I agree. Rape hentai is something we can do without (though I do have to say it is interesting if it used to be allowed in Canada but now isn't with the re-release. I haven't seen anyone confirm that the old release was available). |
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The Xenos Posts: 1101 Location: Boston |
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| Well, God bless America. At least here we have freedom of speech.
You know, unless right wing Christians and Republicans have their way. Or you know if Democrats like Hillary playing the family values card. Just last night I saw some video from the 90s about a parents group that had banned a serial killer based comic in a certain county. Sure it's more violence than sex, but the mentality and censorship is similar. Check out these idiots saying that cartoons and comics are for the children and media should only be filled with 'good things'. Idiots argue that bad things should be censored and purged from the media. http://www.youtube.com/ |
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