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sena_h_dei
Joined: 18 Feb 2008
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:47 pm |
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Guess it's a good thing I'm not too interested in hentai.  |
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mistress_reebi
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:21 pm |
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| The Xenos wrote: | Well, God bless America. At least here we have freedom of speech.
You know, unless right wing Christians and Republicans have their way. Or you know if Democrats like Hillary playing the family values card.
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We have that too  We don't value glorifying a tramatic experience. Compared to the US, Canadians are more liberal.
Boo hoo. People can't get their rape porn. I think the world is going to end.
| Quote: | | And yeah, I agree. Rape hentai is something we can do without (though I do have to say it is interesting if it used to be allowed in Canada but now isn't with the re-release. I haven't seen anyone confirm that the old release was available). |
That is a little fishy. Maybe they didn't catch it the last time. |
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:12 pm |
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| Tempest: So why is hentai ok, but not my crack at your PM? |
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writerpatrick
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:58 pm |
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I'd be surprised if they banned "Dominion Tank Police" since it's been already aired in Canada.
I doubt this will affect the average consumer. These bans often tend to catch the unwary who aren't aware of what they're getting. And the ban would mainly affect physical CDs since customs can't really monitor Internet downloads. |
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Fabe
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:59 am |
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| writerpatrick wrote: | I'd be surprised if they banned "Dominion Tank Police" since it's been already aired in Canada.
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I Remember that way back when "Space" was young, Friday night was anime night. Tank Police,Venus Wars,Big Wars,Galaxy Express 999, Night on the galactic railroad, they would play those at least one a month,hell the second thing the showed on Day 1 was Quest for Odin. |
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Raelanura
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:10 am |
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| tempest wrote: | While this statement is true, people can have many "freedoms," and some of them can at times be contradictory.
There's a popular saying, "Your rights end where mine begin."
The right to life is generally thought to take precedence over the right to free speech. This is why speech that incites violent crime is banned in most countries.
I have a right to live, therefore your right to free speech does not allow you to call for someone to harm me.
Canada wisely thought to enshrine the limitations of freedom of speech in its charter of rights. I believe the United States has no such allowance in the constitution or its amendments.-t |
When was the last time Cool Devices killed someone? 
I understand what you're saying and agree with it, but this particular case crosses the line IMO. |
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hentai4me
Joined: 25 Oct 2005
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Location: England. Robin is so Cute!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:21 am |
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| Raelanura wrote: | | tempest wrote: | While this statement is true, people can have many "freedoms," and some of them can at times be contradictory.
There's a popular saying, "Your rights end where mine begin."
The right to life is generally thought to take precedence over the right to free speech. This is why speech that incites violent crime is banned in most countries.
I have a right to live, therefore your right to free speech does not allow you to call for someone to harm me.
Canada wisely thought to enshrine the limitations of freedom of speech in its charter of rights. I believe the United States has no such allowance in the constitution or its amendments.-t |
When was the last time Cool Devices killed someone?
I understand what you're saying and agree with it, but this particular case crosses the line IMO. |
If you'll read it again you'll see he is talking about this in general, not the specific case of banning Cool Devices (which isn't actually that good anyway...).
From what I read he is saying that Canada has limits on freedom of speech built into it's wording to prevent free speech causing undue harm while in the US there is no such built in wording and it has taken layers of extra legal fiddling to get the limits placed upon it. |
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ikillchicken
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Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Location: Vancouver - Go Canucks Go!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:59 am |
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| mistress_reebi wrote: | | The Xenos wrote: | Well, God bless America. At least here we have freedom of speech.
You know, unless right wing Christians and Republicans have their way. Or you know if Democrats like Hillary playing the family values card.
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We have that too We don't value glorifying a tramatic experience. Compared to the US, Canadians are more liberal.
Boo hoo. People can't get their rape porn. I think the world is going to end. |
Yeah, If there is something bad enough to deserve to be exempt from being covered under freedom of expression and all that I would probably say it was this kind of thing.
That said, it is concerning. The government deciding that something that doesn't directly hurt anything can be illegal is unnerving. What about when they decide something I don't think there is anything wrong with should be illegal. God forbid something like Berserk should be deemed illegal. The day that happens is the day I pack up my manga collection and move to the USA.
Of course on the bright side, this isn't exactly the case. This is not some new law infringing on our rights. It has always been there and is simply being enforced.
"For the purposes of this Act, any publication a dominant characteristic of which is the undue exploitation of sex, or of sex and any one or more of the following subjects, namely, crime, horror, cruelty and violence, shall be deemed to be obscene."
I think it would be a stretch to manipulate this into something too ridiculous at least. At worst it might affect other hentai. I especially like the term "dominant" especially. It help protect instances where this kind of thing is not meant for titillation or as the focus but for genuine story. (Like my beloved Berserk.)
| marie-antoinette wrote: | | And I will take ketchup chips and poutine over rape porn any day. And now I'm hungry. |
I cannot begin to express the awesomeness of this quote. Thank you for making my day. |
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marie-antoinette
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:02 am |
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| ikillchicken wrote: | That said, it is concerning. The government deciding that something that doesn't directly hurt anything can be illegal is unnerving. What about when they decide something I don't think there is anything wrong with should be illegal. God forbid something like Berserk should be deemed illegal. The day that happens is the day I pack up my manga collection and move to the USA.
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I cannot begin to express the awesomeness of this quote. Thank you for making my day. |
But the idea of that actually happening is rather ridiculous. Yes, I know someone's going to say that this is a step towards it, but it really isn't. As ikillchicken said, this is just enforcing a law the already existed.
Also, I think it is a bit misleading to keep saying "the government" is banning things. Yes, Customs is a part of the government, but again, this isn't a new law being passed. It's just a government agency doing it's job.
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GwennBlackfeather
Joined: 25 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:47 am |
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Kinda sad. And I wanted to move to Canada, too.
Wait, I don't look at hentai. Nevermind, later. |
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Satsujinki
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:56 pm |
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| mistress_reebi wrote: | | We don't value glorifying a tramatic experience. |
I think it's presumptuous to say that a nation glorifies unlawful acts simply by allowing publications depicting them in some fictitious manner. | mistress_reebi wrote: | | Compared to the US, Canadians are more liberal. |
Let's see... | Quote: | lib·er·al (lĭb'ər-əl, lĭb'rəl)
adj.
1
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation. |
Mind pointing it out? Because all I got from that statement and ones prior to yours from fellow Canadian posters were the exact opposite. |
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Porcupine
Joined: 21 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:06 pm |
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I like rape hentais. They can be the best kind of hentai. I imagine that regular consentual hentai can be pretty boring after a while.
It's not that different from non-hentai anime. The world would be boring if it was so sheltered and violence-free that I could not watch any anime that had fighting in it. No transforming magical girls, no ninja martial-arts, no mecha-frenzied destruction...all because it's not right and conflict is bad.
Conflict and competition are what make for interesting stories, and more importantly attractive character designs and clothing. The same elements can enhance hentai anime just as they can regular anime. If anything, amusing though the idea is, to me rape hentai comes as only natural. I just have to laugh at those tentacle monsters! It's also pretty funny because it's only really in hentai animes that the "good guys" (or girls usually) can lose again and again and the show still goes on. Hurray for the bad guys. |
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ikillchicken
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:51 am |
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| marie-antoinette wrote: | | ikillchicken wrote: | That said, it is concerning. The government deciding that something that doesn't directly hurt anything can be illegal is unnerving. What about when they decide something I don't think there is anything wrong with should be illegal. God forbid something like Berserk should be deemed illegal. The day that happens is the day I pack up my manga collection and move to the USA.
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I cannot begin to express the awesomeness of this quote. Thank you for making my day. |
But the idea of that actually happening is rather ridiculous. Yes, I know someone's going to say that this is a step towards it, but it really isn't. As ikillchicken said, this is just enforcing a law the already existed. |
Umm...what exactly are you trying to say? In the part of my post you snipped I said basically what you're saying here. In fact, you make reference to me saying it seemingly to counter the part of my post you quoted. Sorry, I'm just really unclear on what you're saying here. |
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8JF
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:15 am |
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| JLightstar wrote: | | I have to ask our Canadian brothers and sisters if this ban applies to mailing part of customs or that and the border stations across the Canada/ US line? |
Mail order mostly since you have declare what's in the parcel to get it into Canada. Which means some customs employee is going to open the box, watch your video and not repackage it properly. Back in the days of VHS fansubs this meant I had to rewind the tape in order to play it. 'Please be kind, rewind' is a little beyond their comprehension. 
If they decide to search your vehicle when you cross a border station and find the video they will watch it on the spot and then take it from you if they consider it obscene. However in crossing the Canada/US border for 16 years I have been searched a total of 0 times even when I have come across with unopened Christmas gifts and declared them.
Censorship abounds in most countries under the guise of sound educational decision. This includes choices like available books to read in school or curriculum content choices such as evolution, sex education or PE. |
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ebisu
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:08 pm |
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Masamune Shirow's Dominion Tank Police banned? What's obscene about it? This just means that when I was 6 years old I enjoyed reading porn. Censorers can be so stupid.
And that thing of censoring only some chosen volumes of different series just shows it, seeing what they leave in the unbanned ones.
Well, if any Canadian wants to read them he/she already knows which one is his/her ideal job. |
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