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Weazul-chan
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 Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:48 pm |
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| dormcat wrote: | | fighterholic wrote: | | I believe the correct term for that when the bad guy is the lead is called "antagonist." |
| kazenoyume wrote: | | And yeah, a protagonist can't be a bad guy. |
Protagonist:
| Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1 a: the principal character in a literary work (as a drama or story) b: a leading actor, character, or participant in a literary work or real event |
| Free Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1. The main character in a drama or other literary work. |
| Dictionary.com wrote: | | 1. the leading character, hero, or heroine of a drama or other literary work. |
Antagonist:
| Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1: one that contends with or opposes another : adversary, opponent |
| Free Online Dictionary wrote: | 1. One who opposes and contends against another; an adversary.
2. The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama. |
| Dictionary.com wrote: | 1. a person who is opposed to, struggles against, or competes with another; opponent; adversary.
2. the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work: Iago is the antagonist of Othello. |
Looks like Dictionary.com is more inclined to "protagonist = hero; antagonist = bad guy" dichotomy, but the other two are neutral: a protagonist is no more than the main character of a story and is not necessarily good or bad. In stories like Dungeon Keeper, the main characters are bad, and the badder the better. |
in literary usage it is the main character that is the protagonist regardless of their leaning. in The Cask of Amontillado it's Montresor that's the protagonist and the unfortunate Fortunato, lead to his death, that is the antagonist.
considering that one has to write to script anime that usage would be appropriate when talking about anime characters and their roles as well. |
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Avacado Burger
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:49 pm |
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| Actually, if Xellos was the main character; wouldn't that make him an anti-hero, not an antagonist? |
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SeinenAi
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:26 pm |
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| I asked my English/Literature teacher friends and they all agree--the main character is the protagonist, even though he isn't doing "good things" and the antagonist is whoever is opposing the protagonist, regardless of the good/bad of his actions. |
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fighterholic
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:32 pm |
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| Avacado Burger wrote: | | Actually, if Xellos was the main character; wouldn't that make him an anti-hero, not an antagonist? |
Whoops  I messed up on my vocabulary there. I meant anti-hero. |
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Wellness
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:51 pm |
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| Due to the mechanics of his character, there is no way Xellos could ever become a protagonist. He could lead (trick) a new protagonist but to have story center around him wouldn't work without breaking what makes him entertaining to most. |
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DragonsRevenge
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:37 pm |
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| Xellos? F*** that. That show begins and ends with Lina (and Amelia). I couldnt stand Xellos. |
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hikaru004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:58 pm |
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Xellos would follow a long line of dark heroes imo. All the rage right now. The girls would love Xellos taking the lead as the protagonist too imo.
Goury is so out of style imo. |
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CCSYueh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:55 am |
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It probably is a joke, but Xellos is too cool. Forget stupid Try, he had his moments in Next. He's also been around for a very long time according to the storyline. Lina in it indicates it probably isn'ty, but he obviously has a huge untold past they could always go into.
Or they can tell a story with Lina & the others that somehow relies on Xellos's past. An old enemy of his (as we saw in Next). He's not against using anyone to acchieve his goals (but then, so is Lina, so the dif is Xellos is cooler) |
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prime_pm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:27 pm |
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| Weazul-chan wrote: | | dormcat wrote: | | fighterholic wrote: | | I believe the correct term for that when the bad guy is the lead is called "antagonist." |
| kazenoyume wrote: | | And yeah, a protagonist can't be a bad guy. |
Protagonist:
| Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1 a: the principal character in a literary work (as a drama or story) b: a leading actor, character, or participant in a literary work or real event |
| Free Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1. The main character in a drama or other literary work. |
| Dictionary.com wrote: | | 1. the leading character, hero, or heroine of a drama or other literary work. |
Antagonist:
| Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary wrote: | | 1: one that contends with or opposes another : adversary, opponent |
| Free Online Dictionary wrote: | 1. One who opposes and contends against another; an adversary.
2. The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama. |
| Dictionary.com wrote: | 1. a person who is opposed to, struggles against, or competes with another; opponent; adversary.
2. the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work: Iago is the antagonist of Othello. |
Looks like Dictionary.com is more inclined to "protagonist = hero; antagonist = bad guy" dichotomy, but the other two are neutral: a protagonist is no more than the main character of a story and is not necessarily good or bad. In stories like Dungeon Keeper, the main characters are bad, and the badder the better. |
in literary usage it is the main character that is the protagonist regardless of their leaning. in The Cask of Amontillado it's Montresor that's the protagonist and the unfortunate Fortunato, lead to his death, that is the antagonist.
considering that one has to write to script anime that usage would be appropriate when talking about anime characters and their roles as well. |
If the protagonist is automatically the good guy, then I guess Light Yagami's an all-around nice guy.
And if a dub is made, I doubt Ortiz and the others would be able to get back together for it. Maybe Freeman. However, it'll most likely be dubbed by either ADV or Funimation, and if so, by the ones from the movies, which I didn't really mind; Cynthia Martinez did a pretty decent job with them. In fact, I kinda prefer'em.
Of course, I could be wrong. |
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kazenoyume
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:15 pm |
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| prime_pm wrote: |
If the protagonist is automatically the good guy, then I guess Light Yagami's an all-around nice guy.
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That is, if you consider Light a protagonist. *shrug* |
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noseless
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:42 pm |
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Xellos is supposed to be mysterious. It's what made him a good character. If they followed him around, it would take a lot of that mystery away.
It would be cool if he made an appearance or two, but I hope they were joking about his role as the focus. |
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Weazul-chan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:02 pm |
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| kazenoyume wrote: | | prime_pm wrote: |
If the protagonist is automatically the good guy, then I guess Light Yagami's an all-around nice guy.
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That is, if you consider Light a protagonist. *shrug* |
in a purely literary sense the protagonist is the main character, so from a literary sense Light IS the protagonist. lit was my second best class back in my school days (science was my first, altho I only exceptionally excelled in that when it involved life science) and I'm an aspiring novelist so I do know what I'm talking about. it's only when you take it out of a literary connotation that it's ever associated ONLY for a "good guy." considering Death Note is a story you can use literary terms to describe aspects of it such as plot and characters so as Light is the main character he undeniably is the protagonist.
just look at the etymology of protagonist:
| Quote: | | "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Gk. protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part," from protos "first" (see proto-) + agonistes "actor, competitor," from agon "contest." Meaning "leading person in any cause or contest." |
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prime_pm
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm |
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| Here's a good question: Who would be the protagonist in a George R.R. Martin novel? |
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Kandy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:28 pm |
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YAAAAYY! A new Slayers anime!!!!!!! And Xelloss would be the main character!!!!!!!!!! I must be dreaming!! I am sooo in love w/ Xelloss and this anime!!!!!! yaaayy again! Oh and btw, I would be very glad if this whole thing w/ the leading character would be true. 
It would prove that they have realized who is the most appropiate character to be the main. I mean, Slayers was always a good anime, but I kinda got bored of Lina. The whole thing would be ALOT more funnier w/ Xelloss!   |
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Weazul-chan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:19 pm |
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| Kandy wrote: | YAAAAYY! A new Slayers anime!!!!!!! And Xelloss would be the main character!!!!!!!!!! I must be dreaming!! I am sooo in love w/ Xelloss and this anime!!!!!! yaaayy again! Oh and btw, I would be very glad if this whole thing w/ the leading character would be true.
It would prove that they have realized who is the most appropiate character to be the main. I mean, Slayers was always a good anime, but I kinda got bored of Lina. The whole thing would be ALOT more funnier w/ Xelloss! |
that issue of Dragon Magazine covers the month of April, the little "hint" Xelloss may be the lead was an April Fools joke. |
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