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NEWS: Japan's Planned Child Porn Law Exempts Manga, Anime


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DmonHiro





PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:55 am Reply with quote
My thoughts: Loli anime/manga/games will be protected as long as they bring in MONEY for Japan. (that really means......FOREVER). Doubt any damn thing can be done about it.....and I'm VERY pleased with that.
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frubam



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:05 pm Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
My thoughts: Loli anime/manga/games will be protected as long as they bring in MONEY for Japan. (that really means......FOREVER). Doubt any damn thing can be done about it.....and I'm VERY pleased with that.


That's EXACTLY what i was thinking. As long as the loli generates a steady revenue, there's no way i see that happening. That is, unless somebody goes on a loli/shota raping spree Confused
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cloud1989



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:06 pm Reply with quote
what? you mean they use to actually be able to legally have real child pornography? Man, up until recent events I am starting to think you could have use to do about whatever you wanted down in japan...except own a gun.
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cenorig



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:10 pm Reply with quote
Well in a way it's right to ban CP in porn games/manga/anime if it's really clear that the characters involved in it are underage. For example the very realistic 3D child porn. Yeah, some call it petite or sh*t like that, but only an idiot can't see what's it all about.

But I enjoy my loli manga and doujinsh from time to time. I still like to see more of them coming, thank you.

So I'm very biased about this whole situation.
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Zutto



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:12 pm Reply with quote
I think it's fine as long as real people are not involved. No loli will mean losing millions of dollar in revenue, and Japan could really use that money in the anime industry.
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wilson_x1999



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:25 pm Reply with quote
Quote:
Despite its name's connotations in other languages, the Liberal Democratic Party is the main conservative faction in Japanese politics.


That is really weird O_o
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W-General



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:28 pm Reply with quote
How would one define what is "virtual child porn"?

I know that the Sofu-rin Hgame ratings union has already set rules stating that hgames cannot involve characters under the age of 18. All this does is games instead of having [enter name] High School, they just have [enter name] Academy and they never state the ages of the characters.

Or how about a 1000-year old fairy who looks 10? Or an alien who has undetermined age, but looks 10? You get what I mean?

Any attempt to ban "virtual child porn" is pointless and will probably end up being too ambiguous and over-reaching. I don't see a point - as long as no real people are involved, I say just let it be.

And I don't buy the "lolicons will be tempted to rape children in real life" argument - Otaku have a very clear distinction when it comes to what they refer to as "san-jigen" (3D = real) and "ni-jigen" (2D = anime/cg).
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scineram



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:45 pm Reply with quote
Bullshit.
Show me the victim! Cool Laughing

As a sidenote, WTF has the american ambassador to do with it? The whole thing stinks.
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zetsuie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:52 pm Reply with quote
scineram wrote:
Bullshit.
Show me the victim! Cool Laughing

As a sidenote, WTF has the american ambassador to do with it? The whole thing stinks.

Theres always victims just do some research
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 pm Reply with quote
Hmm, I had thought possession of child porn was illegal, but if it was only sales that was banned then they have really been behind the times then.
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Kyouki-Kamikawa



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:04 pm Reply with quote
All I know is in the US , it was found un-Constitional twice to ban it since there was no proof of it harming anyone, since it's not real people. Hopefully Japan will see it the same way or we'll end up with crappy loli and japan will lose moeny

loli ftw
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fxg97873



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:05 pm Reply with quote
scineram wrote:
Bullshit.
Show me the victim! Cool Laughing

As a sidenote, WTF has the american ambassador to do with it? The whole thing stinks.


Well, I think during the post WWII occupation it was the American occupation authority that pushed for Japan to ban pornography as a whole. This is why most commercial adult products will always have a mosaic on them for genitalia.

Theoretically, when you have a complete ban on pornography you don't need another law underneath. You just have to enforce current laws.

In any case, as a Libertarian I can say that people who produce child pornography, people who buy (and thus fund) child pornography and people who engage in coerced or forced acts with children should be prosecuted.
But prosecution based solely on possession is another story. When you allow governments to start filtering the type of information people can possess, it's a very slippery slope (regardless if the information is tasteless). You set the precedent to start banning the viewing or possession of information of one illegal act and the possibilities are endless. The Islamist extremist crashing planes into the World Trade Center was as illegal as it gets, but we aren't banning the viewing of 911 footage just because it might "inspire" similar acts.

Anyhow, drawings are lines on paper. They create the illusion of an object but it's purely fictional...I guess some people believe a magician really CAN pull a rabbit out of thin air from a hat...Rolling Eyes

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scineram



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:05 pm Reply with quote
zetsuie wrote:
Theres always victims just do some research

Drawings?
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icepick314



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:12 pm Reply with quote
guess all those otakus can breathe lot easier now that loli are perfectly legal...

virtual child porns are one of those iffy issues because the creator can say even though the character LOOKS underage, they're 38 years old...

but if i'm not mistaken, in US and Canada, if you're registered sex offender, virtual child porns are illegal to have....if they LOOK young, then they ARE young...

i know few people in US got arrested for violating their parole because of possessing hentai videos....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:12 pm Reply with quote
scineram wrote:
As a sidenote, WTF has the american ambassador to do with it?

Don't underestimate the power of an US ambassador. After visiting the (in)famous Yasukuni Shrine in 2006, Ambassador Schieffer made a personal comment on museum's plaque describing the attack on Pearl Harbor as Japan's self-defense "very disturbing," and the museum replaced the plaque immediately.
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