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| dormcat Encyclopedia Editor  Posts: 7337 Location: Hsinchu City, Taiwan, ROC |
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I didn't argue or even question about the definition of fansubbers, did I? In addition to your questionable ability to identify bootlegs, I now become suspicious if you can even read properly. Go back and read more materials about those issues above and stop using uppercase letter "A" in every word of "anime."
Many licensees in Taiwan have been shifting from selling DVD alone to making more peripheral merchandises (still require licenses from Japan, mind you), and they are far more profitable than DVD for many reasons. I have no idea whether US licensees have realized that or not. |
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Labbes Posts: 742 |
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That is called Ignorance. Acting high and mighty despite being not informed at all is no way to participate in a discussion. BTW: This is how bittorrent works. Notice that the PC is the seeder, but not a server. If you would just inform yourself, you wouldn't look like a guy who doesn't want to know certain things. http://en.wikipedia.org/ |
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| PantsGoblin Encyclopedia Editor  Posts: 2969 Location: Agoura Hills, CA |
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Damn... I'm beat... But what if... what if I were to do this? Anime Downloaders = Anime Thief = Anime Losers __________________________________________ 0 Where is your God now? Last edited by PantsGoblin on Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:07 am; edited 5 times in total |
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Asian Guy Posts: 118 Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime - |
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| More and more countries fall into Anime dimonsion to this day, action figures, book, poster, cosplay shop and other Anime related stuff other than Anime DVD are sure far more profitable but this can only be done if they show have been well known enough. Just how Naruto headband are soo popular right now around the world. Anime license for DVD are ofcourse will be deferent for the one used for action figure, books, cards, model kits, etc.
The Anime company will not release their Anime license unless they are asked, that was the reason why many American in this forum saying they have to wait 1 - 2 yeas after the Anime release date in Japan to get it in America because the American are not buying the license right after it is licensed in Japan, so they should blame themselves for not buying it in the beginning rather than making another 1001 excuse they download Anime because it is not licensed in America.
Someone shop in a normal looking shop to buy 1 Anime DVD, then later on he found out that Anime DVD are bootlegs. Are you saying that person ignorant? if he is ignorant then he already know the shop selling bootleg Anime but still go there to buy it.
Bittorrent or other P2P are still using 1 main server to connect the 2 peoples who are 1 an uploader and 1 other a downloader. When you upload something the data will have a cached into the main server so then when someone else looking for that data they can get it even you are not online. What do you think of this is sentence means :
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| Labbes Posts: 742 |
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Stop talking about things you know nothing about. You are wrong here.
I think one should always do a little research on some topics, you obviously haven't done that, still, you pretend you know everything. That is ignorance, yes.
Well...no. If there are no seeds or peers, you can't get the file. Try downloading something where a torrent-finder-site tells you there are no seeds and peers. You won't get that file. With torrents, you don't "upload" a file like you do with rapidshare, it works with trackers. I'm not entirely sure how this works, though, so I can't say more than that you are wrong. The only thing the "servers" you mention have are torrent links, and they themselves are not illegal.
Don't confuse bittorrent the company with the protocol. Go read the protocol article before you quote wiki out-of-context. |
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DarkCntry Posts: 61 |
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| I have over a 600 disc anime collection (counting all volumes, movies, etc etc), about 1/3rd of them are R2J DVDs.
Now that I've established my level of otaku-ness, I am going to state that I still download my digisubs of shows. I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on my anime collection, I am not a rich man and I like to be well informed about all of my purchases. I have a grasp of the Japanese language well enough to get me through watching some anime but I do enjoy the idea of watching anime without having to pause every so often to catch up with what is being said. This is the reason why I still obtain the digisubs despite my odd fixation with purchasing R2J DVDs. Now, out of the shows I do download, I will wager that in my past that I've purchased a good 60-75% of them, either being R1s or R2Js...based solely on how far I got into watching the show. If I complete a show, I will buy the discs...if not available to me in R1, I will purchase what I can obtain in R2Js. The costs of the R2J DVDs are, not including importation fees, high enough as it is...and I honestly don't like being talked down upon by someone whom cannot recognize the difference between a bootleg DVD and a factual retail DVD. Now, if you bought these bootlegs, Asian Guy, unwittingly that is fine...but it doesn't dismiss you from being equally blamed as these so-called losers that you call them for stealing anime. Japan will never cease licensing material to any market simply because it brings both attention and money to the country, nor will they cease distributing anime to the United States simply because they know that is their meal-tickets for the most outright source of revenue, to say otherwise shows what lack of knowledge you have on the actual industry. Now, back to the other aspect... If people who download digisubs are losers, in your opinion Asian Guy, it should be known that even in that world the ones who buy bootlegs are considered worse than those who download licensed digisubs. I would accept that someone whom has just got into the idea of buying anime DVDs could be dupped by bootlegs, but not someone who spouts off at the first drop of a hat about fansubs/digisubs. |
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RMC Posts: 101 Location: Waco, TX |
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| You know, I think this topic has run its course. Can't someone lock it or something? Nothing productive about the actual topic is being said anymore. It's degenerated into a near-flame war. | ||||||||||||
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| Asian Guy Posts: 118 Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime - |
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You also said I'm wrong but not pointhing out in which I'm wrong. Is it when I said The Anime company will not release their Anime license unless they are asked, that was the reason why many American in this forum saying they have to wait 1 - 2 yeas after the Anime release date in Japan to get it in America because the American are not buying the license right after it is licensed in Japan ?
Topics of what? you should make your voice clear so peoples can hear or know what you are saying.
Well...no. If there are no seeds or peers, you can't get the file. Try downloading something where a torrent-finder-site tells you there are no seeds and peers. You won't get that file. With torrents, you don't "upload" a file like you do with rapidshare, it works with trackers. I'm not entirely sure how this works, though, so I can't say more than that you are wrong. The only thing the "servers" you mention have are torrent links, and they themselves are not illegal.[/quote] That is what I'm trying to say, the P2P still need a main server in order to make the system works. When you can not download a file then that is not mean someone who have that file are not online but the file still never been uploaded into the server. Torrents site scam peoples by showing search result for every file you seek but when you join them and try to download it the file are not available then saying there is still no peers. They are illegal for allowing or not filtering anyone who put data into their servers. You can not open a junk shop and just allow anyone to put their wares on it even the ware are illegal that come from thiefing works.
BitTorrent Inc. has amassed a number of licenses from Hollywood studios for distributing popular content at the company's website.[/quote][/quote] Don't confuse bittorrent the company with the protocol. Go read the protocol article before you quote wiki out-of-context.[/quote] I'm pointing that one up to let you know that P2P need 1 main server in order to works. |
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tygerchickchibi Posts: 795 |
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I'm pretty sure that everyone can understand his point. You're the only one who doesn't. Take a breath. Calm down. READ. Leave the computer, think about it, then come back and post. 
Asian guy...you seem to know nothing about the "business" aspect of anime. Unless you're directly involved with too, you can't make such blatant accusations. I'm not involved, but I know people who do work in it. As far as I can tell, you keep putting your foot in your mouth. |
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| rizuchan Posts: 141 Location: Kansas |
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No, you still don't get it. There is no 'central server' for bittorent. Central server implies that there is one or a series of computers in a company or someone's basement somewhere that holds all of the torrent files. This is NOT how it works. bittorent files can be uploaded anywhere on the internet. I have my own website, for example, and I could host a bunch of torrent files on it if I wanted to, but that isn't a 'central server' because I'm not affiliated with a sort of 'bittorent network' like is the case with limewire and emule. There torrent files would not be the fansubs themselves. What torrent packets are are 'directions' to the location of the file on my PC and the parts of the file on the other PCs of the other people that are downloading the file FROM ME. also,
That still doesn't change the fact you did something illegal. Ignorance is not an excuse with the law. Seriously, you didn't get even the slightest feeling the something was off, buying DVDs with that many episodes for so cheap, considering the prices of DVDs elsewhere, and when the series is such a popular one? |
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| Xanas Posts: 1311 |
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| In fairness I believe Asian Guy is arguing from a moral perspective. You have a point that he might possibly have known that these were bootlegs by comparing the prices, however lets assume for the sake of argument he never saw the other prices or somesuch.
In that case, yes, you are right that legally he'd still be wrong, but morally I think most people would not think so. In the real world, if he were to go to court, they would almost certainly take his knowledge and past history into account. He likely would get off, so even though you are correct to say the action is still illegal, it's not exactly something he'd be penalized for if he didn't know. I think his English language skills are rather poor, but his core reasoning (that I've read) has been mostly consistent. I totally disagree with the initial premise of course, but if one believes copyright should give ownership over media throughout the world and that any intentional violation of this is wrong, then it all makes sense. The problem is that many fansub viewers actually think exactly the same way, and still go on to do these things. This is one reason I believe that whole viewpoint is broken. |
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Mohawk52 Posts: 3858 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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| Labbes Posts: 742 |
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Now don't expect me to edit that one out, I am far too lazy!  |
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| Mohawk52 Posts: 3858 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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| Mohawk52 Posts: 3858 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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