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W-General
Joined: 17 Jun 2004
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Location: Ithaca, NY, USA / Taichung, Taiwan
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| If this was 5 years ago I'd be somewhat marginally worried, but thankfully I now do not require fansubs to understand what is going on. |
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einhorn303
Joined: 20 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:34 am |
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Man, this has sparked a huge shitstorm thread on /a/ right now.
"Leechfags should die."
"BAAAAH I HAVE TO PAY FOR MY ANIME CAUSE IM A RETARD! YOU MUST TOO! BAWWWWWWW"
""Enjoyed" means I've already watched the fansubs faggot. Enjoy your false sense of supporting the artists when you buy R1 shit."
"If you can't buy DVD's just get a job, you [expletive] hippies."
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reanimator
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:50 am |
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oops.
Last edited by reanimator on Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:14 am; edited 1 time in total |
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reanimator
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:13 am |
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I figured this is bound to happen, but never expected to a point where government decided to take more active role.
6 million downloads per week is too much to overlook. If each download generates a dollar, Japanese animation industry would've become prosperous as video game industry. Prosperity always attracts talented people and Anime production industry desperately needs talented people. For example, more talented writers and directors can mean better story. More talented artists means better visuals. With Japanese animation industry's core value of creative freedom and strict financial discipline, it can't afford complacency that plagued American commercial 2D animation industry (notably Disney) for decades. For us fans, we get to watch more and better animated entertainment.
Since fansubs never supported the financial interest of copyright owners and animation industry in first place, so it's not surprising to see the hostility. If there is a legal action against fansubbers, they brought unto themselves.
Anyway Mr. Kubo has a good point about using translation skills of fansubbers to the industry's advantage. If such thing happens, it can be a win-win situation. Fansubbers can continue their hobby without overburdening legal pressure, and copyright owners can have better financial opportunity through reformed and controlled distribution. |
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crilix
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 179
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:36 am |
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They should rather start encouraging publishers and copyright holders to go The Way of GDH, especially if it proves more viable than to just let the illegal distribution take over. Blaming their fanbase will ultimately just hurt them.
I wonder why they are not so vocal when it comes to their Japanese doujin scene though.  |
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Asian Guy
Joined: 25 Mar 2008
Posts: 118
Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime -
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:15 am |
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| This is a very good news, thanks to the person who bring this news up. |
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Westlo
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:15 am |
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| Where's the stop uploading raws to share/perfect dark poster? |
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uhmmmm
Joined: 02 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:21 am |
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About the quotation marks on "fan" ... I agree that they belong there. But the Japanese text doesn't have the same connotation there. It just have the Japanese word for fan (有志), and then in paranthesis the English word 'fan' written in katakana (ファン), just to explain the meaning of the work "fansub" to any Japanese person reading who hadn't made the connection.
| Westlo wrote: | | Where's the stop uploading raws to share/perfect dark poster? |
They've already been going after some of the people uploading raws. Not all that many (as far as I'm aware), but there have been at least a few cases of it that have made it to ANN. |
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greyhawk
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:27 am |
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Doesn't look like we can do anything about it, nor do we have a proper reason to argue with them, since we are "the sinners". Buying DVDs is probably fine with me, but I'd rather study Japanese and move to Japan. Enjoy your false sense of supporting the artists.
6 million downloads are never going to become 6 million purchases. But yeah, not like I'd care about it. |
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Asian Guy
Joined: 25 Mar 2008
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Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime -
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:30 am |
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| I want to see the Japanese officially saying those who download Anime = Anime losers or Anime thief = Anime losers or downloading Anime = stealing Anime. |
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Elisian
Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:21 am |
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Erg! This topic drives me nuts. I guess I download as much as the next guy, but only if a show is not available in the States. Our house rule is if you watch more than one episode online, then you like it enough to buy it when it hits our stores. I think that is fair. I don't think fan-subbing should stop entirly, because there are alot of shows out there that will probably never see the light of day here. Should we not be able to watch those? Hell what do ya do when the distributor says Oops this isn't selling. Who cares if you bought the first 12 volumes of Hikaru No Go. No more for you. Seriously I think if people would be responsible enough to buy what they like that would help. I just hope that their solution doesn't suck to bad. Sorry bout the rant. I just had to have a voice.
*puts away soap box* |
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melonbread
Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Location: UK (London)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:22 am |
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| Westlo wrote: | | Where's the stop uploading raws to share/perfect dark poster? |
Exactly. It's like they've totally forgotten that the whole reason how fansubs can exist is because of Japanese uploaders...
I really hope this 'symposium' thing isn't just going to be some half assed look at illegal anime distribution, and at the end of it either some huge operation is going to take place, at the same time killing off these 'fans', and then killing off the new found revenue that Gonzo and other possible companies could make from using those 'fans'... Or they're just do a little bit and nothing will change...
Get serious Japan, even when all the evidence is placed in front of your nose you ignore it and look for the scapegoat of a 'secondary' illegal anime distribution method.
EDIT: Yeah, this just totally seems like Japan not facing up to facts again, sorry to continue the rant as I've already said a lot of stuff to do with it.. but things have just been going around in circles for years. At least now Gonzo are working towards a proper goal.
This just really seems to be that the Japanese still aren't taking the problem seriously. |
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Westlo
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:30 am |
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| uhmmmm wrote: | | They've already been going after some of the people uploading raws. Not all that many (as far as I'm aware), but there have been at least a few cases of it that have made it to ANN. |
They are going after Winny which is old and obsolete, nearly every "smart" raw uploader is on share and perfect dark now (which have a lot of japanese fansubs of ER and Heroes etc on them) since they aren't compromised like Winny. Them going after Winny now is the equivilent of the RIAA going after Napstar, most people in the know already left Winny/Napstar well behind. |
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Asian Guy
Joined: 25 Mar 2008
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Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime -
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:33 am |
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| Elisian wrote: | Erg! This topic drives me nuts. I guess I download as much as the next guy, but only if a show is not available in the States. Our house rule is if you watch more than one episode online, then you like it enough to buy it when it hits our stores. I think that is fair. I don't think fan-subbing should stop entirly, because there are alot of shows out there that will probably never see the light of day here. Should we not be able to watch those? Hell what do ya do when the distributor says Oops this isn't selling. Who cares if you bought the first 12 volumes of Hikaru No Go. No more for you. Seriously I think if people would be responsible enough to buy what they like that would help. I just hope that their solution doesn't suck to bad. Sorry bout the rant. I just had to have a voice.
*puts away soap box* |
A thief will find 1 thousand 1 excuse as to why he/she stealing to make the immoral crime he/she did to be something that are right.
 Anime Losers |
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Asian Guy
Joined: 25 Mar 2008
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Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime -
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:33 am |
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| Elisian wrote: | Erg! This topic drives me nuts. I guess I download as much as the next guy, but only if a show is not available in the States. Our house rule is if you watch more than one episode online, then you like it enough to buy it when it hits our stores. I think that is fair. I don't think fan-subbing should stop entirly, because there are alot of shows out there that will probably never see the light of day here. Should we not be able to watch those? Hell what do ya do when the distributor says Oops this isn't selling. Who cares if you bought the first 12 volumes of Hikaru No Go. No more for you. Seriously I think if people would be responsible enough to buy what they like that would help. I just hope that their solution doesn't suck to bad. Sorry bout the rant. I just had to have a voice.
*puts away soap box* |
A thief will find 1 thousand 1 excuse as to why he/she stealing to make the immoral crime he/she did to be something that are right.
Anime Losers |
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