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Germ Ant



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:39 am Reply with quote
Now, see, if someone told me they "weren't that geeky" when compared to me, I'd take it as a compliment. Maybe I'm just contrary, but I actually take pride in being as geeky as possible.

I do collect DVDs, even though I watch everything on my computer (I don't even own a TV, just a TV tuner card). I like having the physical object and the box and such. I enjoy watching my shelves fill as I buy more.

As for interest in Japanese culture in general vs just anime, I find it hard to separate the two. Art is so bound up in the cultural matrix of its creation that to be interested in one inherently produces at least some interest in the other. That's how it works for me, anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:27 am Reply with quote
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ikillchicken wrote:
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To me, that's delusional - you know, like 9/11 truthers, Area 51 conspiracy theorists, and Hillary Clinton supporters.


I know you're only kidding but I find this offensive. There is solid proof that supports area 51's existence. Comparing it to Clinton supporters is just unfair.

Yes, "Area 51" exists. It is a military base in Nevada.
No, it is not holding classified alien technology. (This is the conspiracy theorist part.)


Yeah...you do realize I'm just joking right? I don't actually believe in any Area 51 conspiracy theories. See, what I did was take Area 51 conspiracies which are clearly ridiculous, and claim to be insulted by their comparison to Clinton's supporters, thereby implying that it's even more ridiculous than Area 51. I did this in a way that created a false expectation that I would be offended by the reverse. A byproduct of these two things is humor which in turn leads to laughter. ie. lol or in rare cases rofl
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marie-antoinette



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:59 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Yeah...you do realize I'm just joking right? I don't actually believe in any Area 51 conspiracy theories. See, what I did was take Area 51 conspiracies which are clearly ridiculous, and claim to be insulted by their comparison to Clinton's supporters, thereby implying that it's even more ridiculous than Area 51. I did this in a way that created a false expectation that I would be offended by the reverse. A byproduct of these two things is humor which in turn leads to laughter. ie. lol or in rare cases rofl


I laughed Smile

I've never really been ridiculed for liking anime, but that might have been because I only got into it during university and the people at my school were fairly accepting people (at least the ones I hung out with)...plus most of my closest friends were from the anime club anyway. My family makes a bit of fun of it, sometimes, but that's not quite the same.

Anyway, I completely agree with the need for DVDs. Yes, I download anime. I even made sure that I could sit on my comfy couch and watch the computer. But I will take my substantially larger Television screen and DVD-quality picture over this any day.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:25 am Reply with quote
LydiaDianne wrote:
I agree with what Zac said concerning collecting anime.

I want the dvds, I want the art boxes. I want to watch them on my nice big TV.

But, Zac, I think that you forgot the added benefit of the nice comfy chair or bed to watch anime from.


Plus what happens if your precious computer gets a nasty virus or you have to wipe it clean? What if all sorts of things just crash because Microsoft and Mac are both as equally competent as the same peanut brain rabbit in this weeks picture? To me having a dvd is a safer method of storing anime. That's just my opinion mind you, and this is coming form someone who still watches vhs tapes and has a working Betamax player in his attic. Plus if I'm going to pay for anime I want something to show for it. I want those dvds there so I can show them off and be proud of all my wasted money lol. Not to mention if you simply have downloads what are you going to get guests at cons to sign? Your face? Some people just like having a hard copy in their hands. That's why many people still buy cds instead of using mp3's and i-pods, and why many still buy books instead of reading them online. We want that hard physical copy in our hands that we can horde and covet. Very Happy

As for last week's question, I've been openly ridiculed for being an anime fan quite a few times. Living in a very conservative backwater area does not help. My most prominent memory of ridicule though came from another set of fans actually. Sports fans. To be specific, Baltimore Ravens football fans. Two years ago (06) Otakon was during the same time as a weekend pre-season Ravens game. I witnessed, and was approached myself, many of the fans heckle and make fun of cosplayers heading into and out of the BCC. Some even made rude and ignorant ethnic jokes towards some of the people. I myself was with coming back from dropping something off in my car at the parking garage when 3 men approached me and decided to give me a hard time. They saw my bag and lanyard so they knew I was a part of "that group of freaks and losers" as they said. I was told how I'm a dumb, fat, loser who has to watch cartoons to get off. They almost sounded like my family heh. I won't mention what I said back as that would get me banned for very rude language heh. Needless to say it was a very enjoyable experience. At the end of the day though you have to ask yourself why the hell should you care? Why are you going to waste your time caring what strangers and idiots think about your hobbies?
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Satsujinki



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:37 am Reply with quote
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Plus what happens if your precious computer gets a nasty virus or you have to wipe it clean? etc...
What if someone puts the disc in the tray wrong and has it struggle against the spindle mechanics only to come out a scarred, unrecognizable disc of what could've been? Accidents happen no matter what the method, people just need to be more careful in their endeavors.
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That's just my opinion mind you
^ Making sure you know I've acknowledged this.
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Steroid



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:14 am Reply with quote
I love it when the political left goes cannibalistic.

I would rephrase the first question slightly: will physical media ever disappear, not totally, but as much as VCR tapes have today? There's an outside chance of that.

However, it irks me that we can't once, as a population, jump on something new as better, and completely discard the old methods overnight.

As for fan-produced media. . . they have that. It's called webcomics. Some are good. Again, the problem is that writing a manga or producing an anime falls under Edison's description of invention: 1% inspiration, 99% persperation. It ought to be the other way around. Here's hoping for better software in the future.

As for Japanese culture, I like the trappings, moreso than the structure. I like their near-obsession with modern things, their embracing of change for change's sake, the promiscuous dress of the girls (this one I like a lot). I've watched a dorama or two, read a non-anime novel now and again. I'm big into j-pop music, even though sometimes it's a bitch to pirate. I probably listen to 90% Japanese and 10% other languages.
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Yukihime



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:17 am Reply with quote
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It's youth, and the internet. A disproportionate number of vocal teenagers spend time on internet forums talking about their "awesome" ideas for anime series that will never, ever get made or even really be thought about after they actually have to decide on a career rather than doodling in their notebooks during 3rd period.


True, but they're not so bad. I find it interesting that there is a lack of tolerance in the anime fandom. Everybody seems to mock everything. (AMV's, Fanfics', fanart, ect)

I mean, couldn't you just ingnore them like I do my little brother who think he's the next Tite Kubo? It's easy. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:29 am Reply with quote
With regard to the first question and answer, though, it's only a matter of time. While we here have all grown up with physical recordable media, a new generation has other options. This hit the music industry; it is now starting to hit the TV and film industries.

I'm in my early 30s and rent DVDs (anime and other) from Zip.ca, which in a sense is a hybrid of the old and the new, given I'm using an online interface to have physical DVDs delivered to me. The irony of it all points all the more clearly to the fact that it, like NetFlix, will need to start delivering content purely digitally in the future.

That will need a few more milestones, though. We still don't have the video equivalent of MP3 players and their accessories, i.e. an array of mainstream devices designed for viewing our digital media. The hardware needs to catch up with the software.

But the content providers also need to catch up with the software. Licensing is a long, hard slog that continues to bung up all sorts of legit downloading possibilities. iTunes may not have every song in history, but it certainly has most of the ones people are looking for, which has been one of the keys to its success. The same level of access needs to be established for shows and movies.

But once those types of things happen, the floodgates will be open. And while physical media won't disappear (musical CDs are still around, after all), it doesn't have to just because a new market arises.
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The Human Spider



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:53 am Reply with quote
PantsGoblin wrote:

Actually I was in Hawaii a few weeks ago for an event regarding my favorite seiyuu. The event (Honolulu Festival 2008) was not anime related at all. All of us fans were obviously anime fans (many of us wearing anime related T-shirts and the pamphlets we obviously anime inspired) but none of us got a single bit of ridicule. In fact, I had people coming up to me after the concert expressing how impressed they were by us... On the other hand, it probably wouldn't be that polite to ridicule one of the performers or her fans at their festival for doing or liking what they do. Anyway, there wasn't a single bit of ridicule aimed at us for being anime fans at an obviously non-anime related event. I thought it was pretty cool.


I think it might be easier being an "open" anime fan in Hawaii than in a lot of other places. I once worked at an election precinct with a guy who was wearing a Naruto Sound Village headband. I think it might also be one of the few places in the U.S. where being an "open" fan of classic Japanese live-action superhero shows, especially KIKAIDA, is for the most part acceptable.
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mike.motaku



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:07 am Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
Zac wrote:
v1cious wrote:


i agree with Zach, but you are right. politcal slander has no place on a site like this.


Oh come on. It's not "slander" and nobody cares what I think about politics. It was a joke, get over it. Yeesh.


well what do you call it then? i mean i'm not offended in the least, i'm just saying there are people who could be.


So when exactly did we become a society that believes in "no one is allowed to offend anyone " as an absolute right? Yeesh, indeed. If we can't learn to laugh at ourselves, I can guarantee that I will always laugh at you.

And I'll get into digital downloads only when they can guarantee that the connection will NEVER go down and computer hard drives will NEVER crash and burn. I don't see that ever happening. It's a nerd's dream and that's all it will ever be.
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Grico



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:45 am Reply with quote
the idea "i can do it better" is inherent in most hardcore fan bases on anything. Look at sports, talk to any big sports fan and they will tell you how his favorite team should be run. The whole fantasy sports and sports videogame market is based on that idea. It also comes down to the idea that some artists/fans seem to believe that a person doesn't have a "right" to criticize art, since they cannot do it themselves. With that mind set and undercurrent you can understand some people "validating" their criticism of Naruto filler episodes by making their own fan fiction or doujinshi that gets it "right." So i don't think the anime crowd is any different on this than most hardcore fan groups.
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Lackshmana



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:48 am Reply with quote
[quote="GATSU"]Andrew:
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I didn't bother to ask how they could possibly prefer the soulless, expository train wreck that is Akira over something that is actually well-told, like Evangelion...


Seriously.

Everyone is debating whether Zac should be allowed to make jokes about Hill-dawg because it might potentially offend a theoretical person, while this goes mostly unchallenged?

I actually think Andrew makes some very interesting points and sound like a totally cool guy, but this gave me a double take.

I'm not sure what qualifies "well told" nowadays, but I would say a series that had no set plot and got directly influenced by its producers then couldn't find a proper ending in what is going on 4 attempts might not be on par with Akira.

I'm not sure what was a train-wreck about Akira. I mean, aside from the ambiguous final line I don't think there was any question regarding the exposition. Whereas Eva was made up as they went and it seems its still being made up.

Oh well, I guess thats not nearly as disagreeable as Zac taking a light hearted Jab at Hill-dawg's low chances of winning her party's nomination.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:55 am Reply with quote
When I was in school I was made fun of before I liked anime, and after. It didn't really make a difference. People thought I was a nerd for liking anime, but they thought I was a nerd before anyway. I found a group of other anime nerds and we happily nerded it up and I didn't really care what other poeple thought. It took me a long time to get ot that point though, but i think the friends I met then through anime really helped.

I usually don't tell people that I'm an anime fan until I get to know them a little first though. If they seem like the type who aren't into it, then I woudnt bring it up except in passing or if they specifically asked me about my interests.

Anime may be a childish hobby, but I've made some great freinds through it, who share alot of my interests that have nothing to do with anime. I think the people who write it off as stupid and nerdy just don't understand why people like it, and likely never will.

For me personally, I feel like anime has turned into a greater interest in Japanese culture and language, and I'm learning alot of really fasinating things in school that I'm truly interested in. My goal in life isn't to become a great anime director or artist but an east asian historian. Exciting huh? But I found my love for East Asian history, literature and religion through an initial interest in anime that branched off further. I don't think I would have realised that interest without it, and I think I would have missed out. I think that there are likely others out there who have had similar experiences.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:14 am Reply with quote
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Finally, from Jason Reding:

Let me put this bluntly. Where I live, there are 4 definite groups, I'm placing them in descending order of coolness:

The Cool Kids(Usually Rich)
The Average kids(Middle class)
The Nerds.
The Anime Watchers.

Yes. Where I live, Animefans are worse than Trekkies. I've been in 200 fights just because I mentioned anime in the presence of someone who is not an anime fan. Ridicule is nothing. It was a school-wide lockout for us. The meager 20 or so per school banded together for protection. We knew of some that belonged to the other groups, but hid the fact that they watched it. It was HELL ON EARTH for 10 years.


Try being a Trekkie AND and anime fan. Confused I was considered a loser on all sides. Luckily (and I use that term very loosely) I only got into anime heavily in grade 9-10, so I only had to deal with 3 years of it.

Of course I was teased mercilessly long before I got into anime, so I guess it really was 10 years after all.

Now I'm really nervous about the HS reunion coming up this summer. Shocked Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:27 am Reply with quote
I enjoyed reading answerfan this week, it was really interesting, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I used to be quiet about my interests, but when I got to college I figured nothing was going to come from hiding what I liked from those around me. Did I get mocked? Sure! But what's a few harsh words from a frat boy or two? They like what they like, I like what I like. I can (pretend to) be the bigger person and not let it effect me. I'll wear my Eureka Seven or Neuro shirts happily in public and do biographical art projects on Ishinomori, because that's what I like.

Now, I can pretend that I'm above the mockery and such, but in truth, some of it really does hurt. I don't really mind being made fun of for "watching cartoons and reading comics," but when people mock the actual forms of media I get pretty upset. I guess it's a "don't knock is before you try it" thing.

The most painful part of being an anime fan is, for me at least, being written off for my interests. I am the president of a large popular anime club and am proud to be so, but it KILLS me when I go to meetings for all college club officers and people write me off because anime isn't really a "college activity" or is "too childish." Classmates will see me doing club paperwork and ask me what I'm doing, but when I say "anime club paperwork," they say, "oh, really" and leave. As if the paperwork for any other club is more interesting?

I think many people have just grown up learning that we anime fans should be on the edges of society. Many people I have met have been taught that anime is something that should be mocked and don't understand what I suggest they watch a series before passing judgement.

tl;dr, sorry guys.
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