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condorfan
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
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Location: New Jersey
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[quote="Julia-the-Great"]I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who hasn't been ridiculed too much...[quote]
Pretty much the same here - though, like Andrew Wong, I also took an animation course in college, and found that people had little idea what anime actually was. Then again, this WAS 1990-92, wayyyyyy back when AnimEigo was just starting to release subtitled videotapes, and the only way to get your hands on anything else was to find a sympathetic person with anime on tape, to trade with or ask to copy stuff for you. Even Sailor Moon wasn't out yet! (yes, I am seriously dating myself.  )
As for advertising that I like anime...? T-shirts, and the manga and anime collections on my shelves. Nothing blatant, except possibly at cons.
As for being considered a geek...? My husband has a bigger collection of manga & anime than I do.
Downloads vs. actual physical tangible DVDs & videotapes...? We don't have the computer ooomph to download, and generally don't have time anyways - to download, let alone watch. |
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Mr. Toto
Joined: 10 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:05 am |
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Although I don't follow it, I still believe that fans that try to create their own series is a good thing. You've gotta dare to dream. If other people have done it before, then why discourage someone else who wants to make their own series?
There's no use arguing against the fact that most fan ideas are unoriginal, and even less creative. But at least they try and act on their ideas--it's bolder than getting a degree in business and working a corporate job for a lifetime. |
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Berserkfury819
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 229
Location: Detroit Mi. Spider-Man is dead. R.I.P.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:11 am |
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So Zac, is this column now bi-monthly instead of weekly?
I thought the Clinton joke was great. I was under the impression Zac would be supporting her because he's mentioned being really liberal. I was wrong, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once I agree with Zac politically. And where can I get one of those party emoticons?
I like Akira and I don't think its anywhere near as confusing as Eva.
I know this is not anime related but to Zac and Gatsu. I finally read Watchmen, loved it, really interested to see how they turn it into a movie. |
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Astraea
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:26 am |
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| Berserkfury819 wrote: | | I finally read Watchmen, loved it, really interested to see how they turn it into a movie. |
I'm curious to see that, too, as well as the fan reaction to it. There is a lot of information to put into one film, and I do wonder how much of the detail will be lost in a screen adaptation.
On-topic now, as I mentioned in last week's thread, I mostly get ridiculed by my family for my anime pastime. I do wonder that if a western, live-action show was made along the lines of an anime (pick whichever you like, I'm thinking a drama for the purposes of my sisters), they'd pay more attention. It's almost as though the medium alone is a problem for them. Oh, well, I'm not expecting or wanting to 'convert' them. Just theorising. |
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CCSYueh
Joined: 03 Jul 2004
Posts: 1913
Location: San Diego, CA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:28 am |
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If you're getting your little jabs in at Hillary because you hate her, fine.
But if you're one of the idiots wanting her to drop out, just shut up.
God, I hate this every political season. I am sooooooooo glad California finally moved their primary up to Feb, because voting in June when EVERYONE except 1 candidate has dropped out is so fricken depressing. Even if she has a snowball's chance in a volcano, at least the last 10 primary elections offer a CHOICE & not just a rubber stamp (Except for those who enjoy the protest Mickey Mouse write-in). Don't forget there are usually other things on the ballot, so people deciding to not vote because "the important issue" of who the candidate will be is a horridly sad thing.
We so need a 3rd party that can run viable candidates & not protest vote candidates.
Because of the whole fansub thing, a lot of anime fans have this image all fans download.
I rent. The wiring in the house I rent is from the 1980's. I tried Roadrunner & it kept vanishing so I had to abandon the idea of an uber-fast cable connection. I actually still have dialup because my daughter didn't have a computer with an ethernet card or whatever. Even if I didin't despise YouTube, the coupe times I have tried to follow people's links to stuff I get "I..........................want.................................you" & I usually just give up after a minute.
Some of us do prefer the official dvds. Some people prefer the disposable download idea-watch it & erase it. There are still people who go to see movies in a theater & not just save money waiting for it to come out on dvd. Why should those of us who want to see a movie in a theater or buy a dvd not be allowed to just because others believe it's horse-&-buggy/thing of the past as long as the companies are willing to allow us to indulge our pleasure?
The internet has increased the opinion/personal art--brought it out of dank closets & backrooms. There have always been fanart, fanfics. etc. The old line about everyone believes they have the next Great American Novel inside their head just waiting to be published. The internet gives these people a place to put their stuff up for the view of others so people get an inflated view of their talents. Realistically most would never have made it out of the pages of a hand-typed, privately-printed newsletter devoted to Star Trek, Dark Shadows, Quantum Leap or whatever show the fan made it off back before the internet, but now people in other countries can fawn or rip apart that work.
But I do find the anime/manga fans amusing. Yes, you can do anime-styled art all you want. Write your own manga. I just don't see Japan, with more than enough people wanting to make these things in their own country, beating down the door of some kid/adult from America or Canada or wherever. If you want to make manga or anime, I gamble your 2nd step (after practicing to perfect your talent) would be to go to Japan & hire on with a company over there that produces said product. Otherwise, do it for yourself, but you better be able to be hired on an a domestic animation studio or game company if you want to work in that field. I don't care how many people tell you your art is killer. I don't see Japan picking your work out of a hat when their own artists/writers need the work. I haven't heard diversity is that big a deal over there. |
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Eos
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Jersey
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| Dragynstorm wrote: | | The most painful part of being an anime fan is, for me at least, being written off for my interests. I am the president of a large popular anime club and am proud to be so, but it KILLS me when I go to meetings for all college club officers and people write me off because anime isn't really a "college activity" or is "too childish." Classmates will see me doing club paperwork and ask me what I'm doing, but when I say "anime club paperwork," they say, "oh, really" and leave. As if the paperwork for any other club is more interesting? |
Don't loose faith my fellow (well, former) club officer! In my senior year of college I was the president of basicly a Genshiken (small school, all geek interests pooled into one club), and got my fair share of grief about it, not to mention not being taken seriously from student activities admin. But we worked hard, turning our fandoms into creative events that were fun for the entire school, . You should have seen the looks on the sororities and frats faces when they announced my club as Organization of the Year at the awards dinner.  |
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tasogarenootome
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:30 am |
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I think the most ridicule I've faced comes from other "nerds", "geeks", and "anime fans". I think anime fans tend to ridicule each other far more than people outside the fandom, with other "nerds" (Trekkies, etc) at a close second. Something that is sad and totally ridiculous.
In a similar vein...
| dizzywulf wrote: | I think I faced waaay more ridicule for being an anime fan in the US than I ever did in Japan.
I'm a Japanese major and the first year it was sort of a divisive issue. The non-fans and the fans in classes would sort of segregate into their own groups and sub-groups. They'd mostly leave each other alone. |
I'm a triple language major and people in Japanese class were always so catty. For us, it wasn't just a division between anime fans and non-anime fans, it was who had a Japanese significant other or went to Mori no Ike - what is it about a niche-ish subject that makes people feel the need to prove themselves, especially when most situations where I or someone I know tells someone they study Japanese, the person's jaw usually drops in awe and begins to praise them before they even know if the person learned any Japanese or not. People taking Japanese (or any course of study that challenges them) should be proud of that and help each other instead of trying to one up each other. [/rant]
As for the fanart thing, I think it's nice the internet enables people to share ideas, etc - I just think there should be a balance for people who want more than validation. The internet could be a great tool for learning - when I first heard about DeviantArt, I thought "there's a neat idea for someone like me who can't afford art lessons" but a lot of stuff I've seen there receives a short one-to-two word comment followed by "come check out my art" instead of real constructive criticism.
Regardless, I don't think it's all that unique to anime and when people are expressing themselves, it's not specifically a bad thing. If you're so bothered by some person's story/art/webcomic, maybe you should offer some constructive criticism.
"The whole gay mech pilot thing's been done already...why don't you make the mech itself gay? Ooh, and for added internal conflict, have the radiator fall in love with the sparkplugs?" |
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mokuhazushi
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Atlanta
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:43 am |
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I'm 41 and, while I watched and loved Speed Racer as a kid, I only really became a fan about 5 years ago. The people I work with know I'm a fan (one of them is a semi-fan himself) and don't give a crap. Once you grow up and join the Real World (tm), you find that people have better things to do than abuse others because of their hobbies.
In general, that is. |
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Astraea
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:56 am |
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| mokuhazushi wrote: | I'm 41 and, while I watched and loved Speed Racer as a kid, I only really became a fan about 5 years ago. The people I work with know I'm a fan (one of them is a semi-fan himself) and don't give a crap. Once you grow up and join the Real World (tm), you find that people have better things to do than abuse others because of their hobbies.
In general, that is. |
True, but in circumstances where the 'mainstream' considers anime to consist of, say, porn and violence (not that that's always the case), not even entering the 'Real World' stops all criticism towards older anime fans. But outright, childish ridicule, hopefully, lessens. I'm not denying you have a point, but just thought I'd give another side to it. |
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eviltimes
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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Location: Callisto
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:59 am |
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| Quote: | | not everyone likes watching streams or digital files on their computer. They want to watch their content in crystal-clear HD resolution on their giant expensive TVs. |
It would seem to me that the industry would follow the money, that they would continue to manufacture SD/BD discs for those of us with big 1080p screens and wallets to favor our need for beautiful copies of anime.
Downloaders don't contribute one dime to the industry, why pander to them? (Besides, didn't your parents teach you that stealing was wrong?) |
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bleuster
Joined: 22 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:31 pm |
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I don't get ridiculed for watching anime 'cause I don't leave the house.
Take that, society! |
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DonQuigleone
Joined: 31 May 2007
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:50 pm |
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| What's really funny is that, among non-anime fans, you have the two diametrically opposed views that either A) anime is kiddy stuff, and B) anime is porn/Uber-violent. Where's the middle ground? |
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Jozoiscute
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:50 pm |
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I have been ridiculed.....surprisingly, by other Otaku.
It's really not that I haven't found other "Geeky Anime Fans" like myself, it's just the TYPE of anime I watch that I get ridiculed for.
Many of my "friends" in grade school would often talk about the anime THEY liked, but didn't care one way or the other what my interests included.
When talking about shows and manga that I had never seen or read, I asked them about the various shows. The conversation ended with whatever excuse they could think of to leave me out of it.
One time they were talking about CLAMP's "X/ 1999". When I asked about the plot, they simply said:
"It's too bloody....you wouldn't like it."
....and then proceed to shift their party as far away from me as humanly possible.
Because my taste in anime and manga is normally narrowed down to chibi, humor, animal-oriented, and the occasional drama. I was ridiculed by my (so called) "friends" who were more into vampires, yaoi, blood, extreme dramas, and the more "popular" series on today's market.
I tried to explain the manga "Haré+Guu ". to one of these "friends" once. Their response?
"Shut up! That sounds like the stupidest idea EVER." |
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Astraea
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:13 pm |
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| DonQuigleone wrote: | | What's really funny is that, among non-anime fans, you have the two diametrically opposed views that either A) anime is kiddy stuff, and B) anime is porn/Uber-violent. Where's the middle ground? |
Amongst non-anime fans who don't know much about anime (rather than knowing about but not liking it) I haven't found one yet. It seems weird to me that something which is a medium rather than a genre doesn't have a middle ground, some understanding that anime cannot be so easily or superficially categorised. People don't shove such labels onto western live-action shows as a group.
But then maybe it is down more to the misunderstanding and lack of understanding non-anime fans, and 'mainstream culture' have of anime. |
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Zac
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:29 pm |
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| Berserkfury819 wrote: | So Zac, is this column now bi-monthly instead of weekly?
I thought the Clinton joke was great. I was under the impression Zac would be supporting her because he's mentioned being really liberal. I was wrong, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once I agree with Zac politically. And where can I get one of those party emoticons?
I like Akira and I don't think its anywhere near as confusing as Eva.
I know this is not anime related but to Zac and Gatsu. I finally read Watchmen, loved it, really interested to see how they turn it into a movie. |
No, it's weekly, but it's been a rough couple of months. We shouldn't have any more interruptions for a while.
And me and my liberal buddies have been backing Obama since it started looking like he actually had a chance last year. |
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