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pi8you Posts: 35 Location: Minneapolis |
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Because the movie's one of the early breakout anime that helped spike up anime's popularity in the West and remains one of the best cyberpunk movies in general(and including The Matrix in that category is pushing it). Some of the elements may be cyberpunk tropes now, but Ghost in the Shell was among the originators of those tropes, so that's an unfair comparison, nor are the sci-fi elements all that light given the increasing bits and pieces of it that are springing to life and demanding discussion. |
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LydiaDianne Posts: 5085 Location: I may be a schizophrenic but at least I have each other. |
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She would work. I have to admit that I liked her alot in The Fifth Element. |
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| bfbbrown Posts: 2 |
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| I know this will be preaching to the converted but: OMFG (forgive the profanity)! This is the first movie since the Matrix: Reloaded (sorta crappy) that I've looked forward to.
I love the GITS movies and series (I have seen each series and movie at least 3 times). They are based on an idea whose time is coming: they seem prophetic. The increased integration of computer technology into our lives (and, indeed, into our brains) is, I think, a near inevitability. The series, manga, and movies all explore one possible future, with some possible consequences of this integration. It is for this reason that I rate the GITS series as within my top 3 favorite anime series (and I have seen a lot (>1750 episodes or 150 series, mostly top-rated)). My only fear is that this movie will fail to satisfy both avid fans and those who know nothing of the background of the series. Thus, a trilogy would be more appropriate in terms of developing a deeper story, complexity. Oh well, all of life is about compromises... BTW: Spielberg is one of the greatest directors in the history of cinema. If you doubt me, see Schindler's List (1994). Still: h*ll yeah! Very exciting. Last edited by bfbbrown on Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Big Hed Posts: 800 Location: Singapore/Melbourne, Australia (Actual join date: February 2008) |
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Yes. It is for all the aforementioned reasons that one should give this movie a chance. At the very least I think it will spark further interest in the source material. To Goodpenguin: I think GitS is being discussed with such reverence in this context because in the medium of anime, at least, GitS is something of a paragon for cyberpunk-related stories. There may have been works in the same vein prior to GitS, but none have done it better imo.
Okay, I wasn't being clear with what I meant here. I always interpreted Motoko's adult form as being a projection (speculation: achieved by digitally simulating how she would age) of what she would have grown into before the accident. Hence she chose to keep her "original" body, which is why she told Batou "no other body would do" (this isn't the exact wording I think, but something very similar to that is said in order to show that Motoko is still attached to her physical identity) in the hotel at the end of the 1st Gig, in response to his earlier questions about why she hasn't switched out for a male body. Also, I have heard similar things with regards to what faces are generally perceived as the most attractive, and I tend to agree with this. That's a good point you made I think, in terms of how it relates to Motoko. Anyway, while I think Mary Elizabeth McGlynn would obiviously be awesome for the role of the Major because she voiced her, it's difficult to guage her otherwise since she doesn't appear to have much in the way of live-action experience. Overall, I'll agree with what was said earlier though in that the ability to act the part is more important than the look; similarly, how she sounds is at least as important as how she looks. Add:
I...am not sure how to feel about this suggestion  . However, one issue with Milla Jovovich is that she is rather flat-chested, and while I don't expect the end result of casting Motoko's role to be as well-endowed as her anime counterpart is in any case, Milla would probably need implants for this.
Edit again: I was also thinking that approaching this movie with a sequel in mind would probably be for the best, but that it wouldn't be a viable option right away due to the nature of the source material. And of course I too hope that GitS isn't confused for a matrix rip-off given that this blatantly isn't the case; I think a fair number of people are aware that the Matrix had heavy GitS influences, though. Last edited by Big Hed on Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:46 am; edited 2 times in total |
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fokkusuhaundo Posts: 343 Location: San Diego ♥ ☼ ▓ |
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You mean your only fear. It's hard to regret something that hasn't even happened yet. A trilogy? I think that they'll wait and see how well this first movie does in theaters before thinking about making any sequels, but a trilogy might be a good idea. |
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| bfbbrown Posts: 2 |
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| yes, sorry, I misspoke (mistyped?). I corrected the error. | ||||||||
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Shadowrun20XX Subscriber Posts: 908 Location: Las Vegas ~Hardcore Otaku |
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| I look forward to the foursome orgy/file sharing,Motoko(in the original manga)is known for.(There was a little bit of that going on in the S.A.C. manga too) ~Edit~ [I went back to check my comic stash.I never remember there being a S.A.C. Manga.I was speaking of Man Machine Interface before S.A.C. came out].Unless Spielberg read the older edited copy.I doubt he is brave enough in this day and age to fully adapt it.
*Flips open Shirow's Intron Depot Vol 2* Yep...I don't think he knows what's expected of him.It would have to be more than two hours long,and I really don't think he read deeply enough to cater to the fans of the original.Sure he can throw tons of cash into it,but without the small details(gun descriptions,full nudity,Japanese facial quips,Fuchikomas and the small inside jokes) it will be a ghostless shell.I doubt fans of S.A.C. have ever gotten into Shirow's older works,anyway.If he wouldn't have mentioned the first GitS manga,I wouldn't have said anything. I also realize there is a line now between "Older" and "Newer" fans and one of them is going to be upset.I would also like to say to the hardcore fans of Stand Alone Complex,sorry, but you are cyberpunk fans,and most other genre don't even compare.When too many MOE series got you cornered,cyberpunk's got your back. 
I do respect Spielberg though,he's a super genius and can easily create movies and shows out of nowhere that become instant successes.He's proved it many times in the years I've been alive,and I just hope he dives deep enough into Shirow's work,to make it more than a forgotten bargain bin item. Last edited by Shadowrun20XX on Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| Big Hed Posts: 800 Location: Singapore/Melbourne, Australia (Actual join date: February 2008) |
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While an adaptation of Volume 1's super-yuri-cyber-orgy would be an epic ahchievement, I think we both know that's not going to happen . The most that might be seen is the one or two allusions that were made to it over the course of SAC (the television series, I mean. I can't speak for the manga adaptation as I never bothered to read it).
And hell yeah, Section 9's got you covered when the armies of Moe start rolling in . But I digress, I'm not a blanket moe hater -- Clannad was quite enjoyable, and I can't wait for After Story. |
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| The World We Know Posts: 18 Location: Austin, TX |
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| Reading through some of the replies here, I'm surprised (although I shouldn't be) at the ridiculous fandom displayed. Many of the posts can be summarized like this: "Ghost in the Shell is so incredibly awesome - Spielberg better not mess it up." The absurdity of that astounds me.
Too many people look at anime as if there's nothing in live-action film that can compare. They don't realize, for example, that Steven Spielberg is a freakin' genius. And for those that say he can't handle complex, adult issues? Just watch A.I., which flopped in the theatres but which was really an amazing, deep and beautiful movie. And you know what? If the look of this movie is anything like A.I. or Minority Report, it's going to at least look awesome. Spielberg is a genius filmmaker. He's in a class above 99% of anime filmmakers. To me, he is the greatest living filmmaker in the world (sorry, Scorsese). If he was the one to direct this movie, I would say that anime fans should rejoice - we'll get to see an amazing vision of something inspired by an anime. If you think the result is too far the original vision, then don't watch it. But if you go into it with an open mind, I'm willing to bet you'll be amazed at what Spielberg will do with the material. Of course, if he's not directing it...at this point it's hard to speculate what we'll see. Oh, and a final note - there's no way that Kusanagi will be played by an Asian girl. I would be shocked. There are NO Asian American actresses that carry any type of "movie star" weight with them. There are some well known Asian actresses in America, but once again, they can't carry a major film (ex. Zhang Ziyi's Memoirs of a Geisha flopped, despite the fact that it seemed to have everything going for it). As an Asian American myself, I hate it when non-Asians are cast in Asian roles (go see "21" - the lead role is based on an Asian American but cast as a white character), but studios have to focus on the bottom line - who will bring in the biggest bucks? My guess? If they want to go big, Angelina Jolie would get the role. But all this is wild speculation (even guessing if Spielberg will direct, or even co-produce). |
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| Goodpenguin Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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I understand that 'Ghost in the Shell' (the first movie) is a 90's high-water mark for anime, but beyond that my point is segments of anime fandom sometimes need to stop treating anime in a vacuum, and be able to contextualize a work in a broader sense. The 'Cyberpunk' genre was big in America (and a bit later France), appearing in force in the early 80's. 'Ghost in the Shell' (the manga) came out essentially 1990-ish, and while it has it's merits, it's major themes are nowhere close to being the originators of anything in the genre. Outside of the 'cyberpunk' aesthetic (and at it's heart 'cyberpunk' is mostly a gritty, futuristic urban motif graphed on to more traditional sci-fi fair), it's general questions of technology and the nature of the human soul is a direct 'copy and paste' from sci-fi in the 50's and 60's (Bradbury, Dick, Ellison, etc.). The first movie version is probably the most influential work in the franchise, and it succeeds directly along the lines of similar material like 'Blade Runner'/'The Matrix'-strong, inventive visual storytelling leaning on sci-fi backdrop, hodge-podge story. Checking the reviews on 'Rottentomatoes.com' the movie is evaluated almost universally on these lines; great visuals, light-weight story. 'Ghost in the Shell' is a notable adventure tale with appealing sci-fi backdrop, not a densely literate, original work that defies live-film adaptation. Maybe the work seems more 'deep' to those fans who never tread outside of anime's shadow, but overall this is more a triumph of visual aesthetic then story-telling (ala 'Blade Runner'). |
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| Cloe Moderator  Posts: 2664 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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I tend to agree with this. Ghost in the Shell (the first film, in particular, which got the most international exposure) was a bit of a late player in the cyberpunk genre, which enjoyed a heyday in the late 1970s through the mid-1980s, with Cronenberg and Max Headroom and what-not. I consider the original Bubblegum Crisis OVAs truer representations of anime cyberpunk, and classics in their own right. That said, however, I do consider the Oshii adaptation (the first movie, not the God-awful second) a remarkable piece of filmmaking and I can understand the impulse of fans to want to protect its reputation. But considering the ho-hum SAC TV series (and the original manga itself, which is rather dry and uninteresting IMO) I think there's a lot in the franchise that can be improved upon with a live-action film adaptation, and certainly nothing Spielberg and co. comes up with could come close to the putridness of Innocence. Oshii took a standard sci-fi manga and turned it into a film masterpiece with the first Ghost in the Shell film. I'm definitely interested to see what happens when another director takes the source material in his/her own direction. It could be something really great. Last edited by Cloe on Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief Posts: 235 Location: Canada |
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I'm a little surprised that for one who seems so vocal about the cinematic experience though that you would ignore the significant differences between the two mediums. Going from one to the other isn't like flipping a switch, there is considerable work in figuring out how to use that medium to tell the story. Just because you excel at one does not qualify you for the other. I think that's a legitimate concern people for people to have. EDIT: to elaborate, its that a live-action director doesn't necessarily have the same understanding of what makes the animation tick, so therein lies the anxiety.
That's one way of looking at it. On the other hand looking at some of Mel Gibson's recent movies it is clear that unknown actors are not necessarily a bad thing. Here's hoping for some of that. [/b] Last edited by dewlwieldthedarpachief on Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Dargonxtc Posts: 4153 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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In otherwords Ghost in the Shell is a mediocre film at best. And anyone who thinks differently is obviously an ignorant zealot. Sorry, I disagree. And for your information, I don't live in "anime's shadow". Blade Runner was a great film in it's own right, but GitS is unique enough to stand out and tell it very own story. And it's over comparison's and stretches of the imagination like those that starts to make going and seeing a movie not fun anymore. Over analysis can be good sometimes, and even fun, but more often than not it falls in the categories of unnecessary and tediously unimaginative.
Well I can't argue that some of the posts along those lines certainly have been absurd. I can say that I don't think my posts have fallen into that category, but along those lines I can really only speak for myself. I think out of all the anime that are being made into live action movies, this is the least one I would like to be turned into a steaming pile, and yes that includes Akira. But to me you sort of turn into what you are describing is absurd:
Sorry to break this to you, but Spielberg has made bad movies. Not everything that comes out of him is gold, regardless of how much praise he gets from all sides. I agree that he is probably the best director, arguably, on the planet. However saying that everything he touches turns to a tour de force genius tale for the ages is as absurd as the people your describing, and reeks of blind elitism. For the record, I am glad that Spielberg's company got this, and I hope that he will be directly and majorly involved. But I am not going to talk about his achievement until something has actually been achieved. |
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Zin5kiSubscriber Posts: 2184 Location: London, UK |
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| Every counterargument written since my outburst last night is valid, reasonable and open-minded.
It is hypocritical for me to constantly think ill of these Hollywood adaptions, and makes me less of the tolerant person I'd like to be, but I feel such a way nonetheless; it is the negative effect of my passion towards the anime I like. I apologise for exhibiting such traits, and in the interest of the rules I'll try to be more level-headed in future, but I am still disheartened by this news article. |
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| dewlwieldthedarpachief Posts: 235 Location: Canada |
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Getting into the discussion of how good Steven Spielberg is begs the question what makes a good director, and in turn what makes a good movie. I think thats a gnarly road to walk myself. But I think for the purposes of saying whether or not he would be good for GitS I would feel positively. With him comes the possibility of incompatibility, but also the possibility of breathing some new life into it, which is always a good thing. |
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