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fighterholic
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| Dr.G wrote: | | Why would Bandi waste the time and money to redub it? I mean with ONe Piece it was horrible but if they have a decent dub I don't see why bandi would waste the time and money to redub it. |
Actually Bandai never had it. It was first licensed by 4Kids, and now Funimation has the rights to the series. I'll have to wait to see how satisfactory this news is seeing that Bandai has gotten this series that I have been interesting. I'm hoping the Lucky Star dub will be great, and hopefully that will increase my interest in this dub, though I've never been a fan of dubs in the first place. |
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Big Hed
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:14 am |
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Oh. Wow.
I wake up and this is the first thing I hear from ANN. Talk about a suprise.
I was really hoping that ADV would keep the license, because I thought their dub for this was going to be awesome.  Damn...
Oh well, I'm still totally psyched to pick this up. Thinking about it, I bet Bandai will treat Gurren Lagann very well anyway, although the dub might not be as great. At least the original seiyuu are great.
Could be a lot worse, too. The first time I read through the headline, I thought it said BVUSA had taken the license, and my heart sank like a stone 
Now to go back and read the rest of the thread. |
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Zalis116
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:35 am |
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| Lackshmana wrote: | | Despite ADV's internet popularity, I usually can't stand their dubs and I think they rip off the consumers by stretching shows over so many dvds. I feel their reliance on a vocal minority of rabid internet fans is what has led to their recent troubles. |
The same vocal minority of Internet fans that made a niche series like AIR a modest success (or at least a non-failure)? As for the disc count, I don't think the present tense applies any more. Please name the most recent ADV release you can remember that was 12-13 episodes over 4 discs or 24-26 episodes over 7 (or more) discs. The most recent ones I can think of are Area 88 TV (finished January 2006) and Godannar (finished August 2006). So they're not stretching series over "so many DVDs" anymore. | Quote: | | Bandai has almost always given me more value for my dollar and I usually prefer dubs by Bang Zoom, Ocean Group, and Funimation to just about anything ADV does. |
Funimation uses mostly the same actor pool as ADV does, so there's not that much of a difference. |
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Porcupine
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:58 am |
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Like Lackshmana I can't stand ADV dubs in most cases, and have even wondered why there are those who like their dubs. To me it's a no-contest, ADV dubbing is several times worse than the dubbing from any other standard group. Of course everyone has their own preferences and I understand that, but I'm still surprised at how many people feel that ADV dubs are good.
About ADV using the same pool of voice actors as Funimation, well that's only a very recent modification that has developed slowly and isn't fully completed yet. And even right now I don't think the actor pool is exactly the same, there's only slight overlap. I do agree that when ADV uses more Funimation voice actors they do a somewhat better job. But they are still way below Funimation dubbing in my eyes. And Funimation is second to the worst anyway to me right now.
Actually I think ADV dubs were better a really really long time ago when they used their initial small group of VAs. The dubbing was really bad back then too, but then I think it got worse in the middle years when they actually added a ton of new VAs to choose from, now it's finally getting slightly more acceptable again due to Funi influence but it still varies with the title.
About the Gurren-Lagann news, I'm fairly neutral about who releases it. I dislike ADV dubbing but they generally release things in the best video quality. I have no idea what kind of video quality Bandai Ent will have for Gurren-Lagann because every title is different for them, hopefully it's not like the Haruhi series which was a disaster. I wish there were some way for me to reliably learn of a DVD series' video quality without actually having to buy the show. I doubt I would buy Gurren-Lagann but there's a chance I might buy Code Geass or Lucky Star, but since they are from Bandai Ent I need some way to know of the video quality first, otherwise I'm not going to buy from them anymore after Haruhi. |
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Randall Miyashiro
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| KabaKabaFruit wrote: | | I don't see what good it will do for Bandai to release sub only sets first and then provide a dub later. It's just better to wait for a dual-audio release. Why doesn't Bandai just save their plastic DVD cases for other shows that matter? |
This could also be BE testing the waters to see how the two sell comparatively to each other. If the sub only outsells the eventual dub release they might reconsider their priorities to speedier sub only releases. If most people wait for the dub and the subs don't fly they probably go back to their traditional strategy.
Either way they are smart to announce an eventual dub version now so that the test will be more accurate (not as many people accidentally buying sub only when they want the dub) and they are being smart so patient people wont have to double dip for the dub which would result in some upset fans.
I for one will buy the "bare bones" edition for now, and might get the 2009 standard edition if it has any good extras. In this case BE is the winner since I bought the series twice. I believe ideally the market for more popular titles will be able to support this "bare bones" early release much like it is now supporting the eventual affordable brick/thinpak release for many companies. I would imagine that these bare bones editions will stop printing once the standard edition is released much like many single volumes go out of print once the complete collection is released. |
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Conan-san
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Well, I checked the ATRDW and from what Mike Toole was saying a) He's friends with Breat Weaver (Who played Kamina) and b) the screener version of the dub was bad.
Maybe Gainax looked at the dub (or indeed the Xmas subtitled deal on the Anime Network, with it's translation of certain key phrases) shook thier heads and went, "These guys have no clue what they're doing" (or somethign to that effect) and decided to pull the plug before it became an enbrassment. |
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Labbes
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:19 am |
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Well, I am glad this is finally a release...I don't care about dubs a lot, I can live without them, but one year to produce a dub seems like milking to me. I mean, I bought Simoun sub-only, but I really am curious every time about the dub. Mhm.
I guess I will wait and see how many episodes will be on the barebone... |
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Mohawk52
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:18 am |
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| I don't suppose that anyone has considered that maybe ADV didn't have it taken from them, but rather they gave it back, because they already had too much on their plate as it was with the up heavel of restructuring. I haven't seen GL, but from what I can gather by reviews and screen shots, it looks like yet another cookie cutter giant robot show, but with the added artifical flavour of moe fanservice. Don't waste your fanboy strength trying to convince me otherwise. I'll just say "whatever " and move on. ADV most likely came to the realisation that this has already been saturated and seen by fansubs, and seeing how well Haruhi sold as a DVD as a result of the same, felt it could be lost without much more pain than they were already feeling. Also if any of you think GL will go on US TV without heavy editing, or being buried in the dead zone, you are living on planet Cloud Cookoo. You guys are really blowing this balloon up bigger than it should be. |
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hikaru004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:29 am |
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AS buries anime anyways so that's to be expected.
It's more than a giant robot show. It's a homage to shows from the different decades with drama and humor and a little added Captain Harlock to boot.
There's also fanservice of the not-so-moe type and yes it's probably going to be censored. It got censored on its original broadcast run in Japan too. Code Geass is also expected to be censored. |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:51 am |
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | I don't suppose that anyone has considered that maybe ADV didn't have it taken from them, but rather they gave it back, because they already had too much on their plate as it was with the up heavel of restructuring. I haven't seen GL, but from what I can gather by reviews and screen shots, it looks like yet another cookie cutter giant robot show, but with the added artifical flavour of moe fanservice. Don't waste your fanboy strength trying to convince me otherwise. I'll just say "whatever " and move on. ADV most likely came to the realisation that this has already been saturated and seen by fansubs, and seeing how well Haruhi sold as a DVD as a result of the same, felt it could be lost without much more pain than they were already feeling. Also if any of you think GL will go on US TV without heavy editing, or being buried in the dead zone, you are living on planet Cloud Cookoo. You guys are really blowing this balloon up bigger than it should be. |
I highly doubt this is the reason ADV no longer has the license. They kept way less marketable titles than Gurren Lagann. And over at AOD Gurren Lagann won pick of the month back in February. It was one of ADV's most anticipated titles this year.
I am also not sure why people always bring up Haruhi as an example. It might not of sold as well as expected but it still sold better than most non-mainstream anime titles.
And coming from someone who is not a big fan of mecha and certainly not a fan of moe I can say Gurren Lagann is a whole lot more than that. And you would be surprised at the amount of fangirls for this series (including myself) so the show is not just fanboy fodder. Since the show is obviously aimed at a male audience but still has a good-sized female fanbase should tell you that there is more to the series than meets the eye.
Is Gurren Lagann anything orginal? No! But it is fun, inspirational and has a lot of style. And that is why it is such a fan favorite. |
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teh*darkness
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:09 am |
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Add my name to the pool of people who will be buying the bare-bones release now so I can officially own the series, but will almost definitely be buying the dub releases later, not for the dub mind you, but for the (hopefully) LE boxes and extras.
PS: Way to go Bandai on somehow aquiring this. I'm also part of the small internet minority that finds about 90% of ADV dubs horrendous, while Bandai Ent. dubs I find about 90% acceptable. |
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marie-antoinette
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:27 am |
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| Maidenoftheredhand wrote: | I highly doubt this is the reason ADV no longer has the license. They kept way less marketable titles than Gurren Lagann. And over at AOD Gurren Lagann won pick of the month back in February. It was one of ADV's most anticipated titles this year.
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It's popularity could have worked against it though. Perhaps it was a money issue, with Gainax wanting more than ADV was willing to give for the title in the end.
There are tons of potential reasons why ADV doesn't have the license anymore, and not all of them make ADV look like a sinking ship. |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:36 am |
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| marie-antoinette wrote: |
It's popularity could have worked against it though. Perhaps it was a money issue, with Gainax wanting more than ADV was willing to give for the title in the end.
There are tons of potential reasons why ADV doesn't have the license anymore, and not all of them make ADV look like a sinking ship. |
Oh that could very well be. I am sure it was a very expensive license and maybe in ADV's current state they couldn't afford it. While I am sure it will sell better than a lot of anime titles maybe it wouldn't have sold enough to make up for the high cost.
But it is very strange that ADV lost the license after they already announced it. It's not something that normally happens.
Anyways I was more arguing over the fact that Gurren Lagann is a very niche title that only mecha and moe fanboys would like. While it will never reach the mainstream status of things like Naruto it's not as niche as people make out either. |
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Viga_of_stars
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:59 am |
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Sign me up for the bare bones release. I like dubs too and all but I don't think anyone can do it justice. Really I'm glad it's not ADV doing it. At least it's Bandai which I see as the lesser of two dub evils.
Not only that but a speedy sub release is a good way to test the waters. It's better than us waiting till 09 eh?
This series will only acheive the ultimate greatness IF ITS SHOWN ON TV! and AT A REASONABLE AS TIME SLOT! Otherwise this will be another flash american otaku trend like Haruhi.
Anyway Bandai is getting my moneys. I loved Gurren so much when I seen it it worth it! |
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Richard J.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:36 am |
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Wow, ADV and dub hate all in the same thread. Makes me proud to be an anime fan. 
I don't think this is the end of ADV. Most likely, this situation is a result of the previous problems that are getting worked out. A hiccup rather than a case of pneumonia. Still, it's one more bad sign to add to a list of signs.
Bandai's release schedule sounds very odd, though I can understand why they're doing it. They want to get this out quickly for the fans that forget anime. (Though in my case, I'll be waiting for the later dubbed release if I get this one at all.) I'll be interested in hearing about the sales.
Regardless of what this means for ADV or whether or not sub fans and dub fans can ever live in peace, this does seem to be one more event that shows that Bandai Entertainment is doing well. If the biggest problem they have to worry about is a replicator (which is an external issue) then they are in very good shape. |
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