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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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Wow, just wow. The pedo talk is still going on, and people still haven't read the article before posting in this thread  The town in reference almost sounds like Villa Park. |
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| hhv94 Posts: 8 |
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| Shame the guy went as far. It was misscomunication on the libraries part. Although I do know alot of older anime fans who go to the bookstores and buy the graphic novels or anime movies. I don't see anithyng wrong with it. Libraries should also cater to the older crowed and have graphic novel discussions. To keep it only to the Teeen side just alianates the older fans who have always loved this type of Genre. I'm 33 years old and personaly don't care if Manga is in the Teen side, I go and see if there are any titles I want. Its not a gathering and the titles I personaly liked are not any of the cutsey girly crap. This issue has a brought up a good point on this and Ill be sure to bring this up to my local librarian. | ||||||||||||||||
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eviltimes Posts: 113 Location: Callisto |
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| Is there any way to block trolls like hikaru004 so I won't have to read their posts? | ||||||||||||||||
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hikaru004 Posts: 1832 |
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| Well, he can always setup his own group not associated with the library. He can rent a room from them and advertise. He can rent an area from a small store that sells anime, manga and comics and advertise for a manga club and see who shows up. He can also rent from a community center and advertise if there is one in the area. That's how community based anime clubs have to go about it to get space.
A lot of these programs are geared for children and teens. His closest shot is to try USC Beaufort since colleges have anime and manga clubs. He does have options if he wants to start a manga club. |
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daxomni Posts: 2420 Location: The morally challenged land of cheap guns and expensive health care. |
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I wonder where I've heard that same line of reasoning before. Assuming he pays his taxes, the library is his to use freely until such time as he shows himself to be a threat to others or to himself. I'm not saying he should be allowed to run amok or to demand the group be unsupervised or anything of that sort, but the jump to assume he's up to no good remains premature in my view, despite all the tacked-on explanations. |
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Richard J. Subscriber Posts: 2931 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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| Wow, how exactly did I miss this article or this wonderful thread filled with paranoia? It's not often I get to think of daxomni as a voice of reason (being that he and I are on different political wavelengths) but this is certainly one of those times.
It amazes me just how little "evidence" is now necessary before a person can be labeled a pedophile around here. Now, I don't really know what the library staff in this case did or did not do, but it amazes me that so many people are automatically assuming this man is over-reacting to it. Perhaps some staff member insinuated the same things that have been posted here. Why, he's over 40 and coming to teen group, he must be a sexual predator! Dear God, call in Hansen!
The library is clearly at fault here for it's failure to clearly label the group as being for teens only. They further failed to allow a man who has not been shown, at least in this article, to be doing anything wrong to lawfully use a public facility. Also, how crazy is it that society now refuses to allow adults to be around teens and children? It's no wonder abuse and youth crime are such a problem, no one dares get involved in a child's life anymore. Can't even share an older fans perspective anymore! Whatever happened to being presumed innocent? Is every older male now a pedo if they are even remotely around children/teens not of their own family? (Which is funny considering the vast majority of child sexual abuse is by relatives!) |
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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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| Even if he was barred from the meeting, he can't be barred from using the library. He has every right to access the library, as everybody else does. | ||||||||||||||||
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Hon'ya-chan Posts: 905 |
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The way the thread is going, I think you're gonna lock it before I make another "trolling comment." {MODERATION NOTICE: You're pushing it. If I have to lock this thread because of you, after you've been warned, you'll be taking a vacation in beautiful Tempban City on the Costa del Ban. The next time I see a post from you, it had better be an exemplary piece of reasoned discourse, every syllable dripping intelligence and rhetorical splendor. Or else. -- abunai} |
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penguintruth Posts: 2491 Location: Penguinopolis |
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| Maybe it's the self-loathing in me, but I got to think that if you're 43, you don't try to make any waves out of your love for Japanese cartoons. I'm 24 and I still play Pokemon games, but you won't see me walking into a Nintendo-sponsered Pokemon event to get those rare Pokemon (though damn it, I want that Darkrai!). You just have to realize that being a kid at heart still means that it's at heart - to everyone else, you're just a creepy man-child. Keep it to yourself. | ||||||||||||||||
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Steel Angel Posts: 252 Location: Richardson, Texas |
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| I agree with one of the earlier posters, the irony of the age situation is down right hysterical.
I am 31 years old myself, and got into anime in my late teens (late teens 18-19). Like many teens i was pretty much always flat broke and couldn't afford anime/manga or other wise back then. I do grant that titles were far more sparse, and there were many fansubs back then, however back then more often then not those fansubs were the only way you'd ever see a program. I use to envy some of the guys who were my current age. They had the cash flow to pursue a hobby they enjoyed, and being adults often had connections to learn what was coming out. I often felt bad that i was the guy who "always borrows stuff and returns it, but never brings anything of his own". I hated that, most of the guys (even a few girls) understood that there was no way I could afford such things, but it didn't change how I knew it looked. No one likes being a leech with friends after all. Back then I was the youngest person I knew in those circles and they were only found on college campuses. Now that I'm like some of the guys i use to know, and enjoyed hanging around now it has become that I'm still the "bad guy". Now its not because im always flat broke and can't contribute to the fun factor of the group, now its because im too old. At least according to how the library treated the guy, and even a number of responses from this very thread. I didn't know liking a good story regardless of the medium that it's told in, was a crime. The way people are talking here (not all obviously), you'd think it was. People expect that there are good books worth reading and some that are not worth the paper they are written on. People expect the same with tv shows and movies too. So why is manga or even anime in general regarded so differently? |
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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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Maybe, but I've seen plenty of middle aged men and even women on trains in Japan playing on their Nintendo DS systems. Now don't tell me that older aren't interested and aren't embarrassed to play with stuff that many consider to be targeted at younger people. In fact, Nintendo has tried to make their products geared towards older people with the Wii and the DS. Why can't anime and manga be the same?
Why is it that locking the thread seems to be considered the only solution to solving problems? |
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| penguintruth Posts: 2491 Location: Penguinopolis |
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Those adults are probably playing those brain training games, not trying to catch Mesprit with thirty Ultra Balls and a Wobuffet in the lead to prevent it from fleeing. |
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| Goodpenguin Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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MeggieMay, I understand what your saying, but in some ways, like a lot of this thread, your reducing the issue to it's most abstract 'best case'. I've worked as a teacher, and still do volunteer community education programs, so the occasional rude reaction to an adult male working/interacting with younger kids/teens certainly isn't unknown to me. Real life is a matter of degrees however, and I think folks are flying to absolutes here, as penguintruth truth round-about got at:
I've actually witnessed this type of Library incident first hand. My wife conducts reading groups at our local Library, and I often tag along to do some browsing/work and get Goodpenguin Jr. out and about. A 'Harry Potter' group was held awhile back, and apparently not all the advertising made clear it was aimed for ages 12-17. 'Harry Potter', though a children's-cum-young adult book, is popular with folks of all ages, and not surprisingly a few adults showed up. Most felt a bit sheepish, but the library staff apologized, and stated if there was interest they would hold a 'Harry Potter' group for teens and older (which occurred soon after). Later in the day however, I heard raised voices, and walked over to the group area to see what the fuss was. There stood a man in (what appeared to be) his forties, clad in a costume wizard hat and over-sized 'Sword of the Berserk' T-shirt, angrily berating the library staff as 'Nazi's', and imploring that the children needed someone of his intellect to explain the deep subtext to them properly. So I'm aware of unfair treatment in situations, and I'm also aware of how common sense is bent pretty heavily at times where demographic interests merge. While I was not present at the event of the article, like other poster's I'm wondering what sort of man chooses to make a public spectacle of his inability to join a teen anime club, rather then hash it out privately with the Library's management. I cannot say what occurred one way or the other, but if I was a betting man I'd peg him closer the preening Wizard then the polite couples from my anecdote. ****** Now let me go another way for those who think the above speculates without enough variables. I work in political research, and I'm often called on to get background on various stories. I have professional media programs that I can use, but I'm going to show you how you can use good o' fashioned Google to help give you some perspective on this tale of supposed Library fascism crushing a gentle soul. Type in C.J. Palmer Bluffton, let's see if there's any other news articles that give us some more background. Not particulary, but early in there is an 'Amazon Review' page that lists a CJ Palmer of Bluffton, and gives us the user-name of 'KenseidenXL'. The game, dear Watson, is afoot. Let's type in 'KenseidenXL' to Google, perhaps somewhere using this screen-name the poor soul talks about his harrowing ordeal, letting us make a more informed speculation. If not, we can a least judge his demeanor/conversing tone, and see if it speaks to a very nice, calm man who would treat a library staff with respect. Success! Several message-board hits using that screen-name, whose profile lists a man from SC with the precise age of our Mr. Palmer. May I present to you some selected wit and wisdom of CJ Palmer of Bluffton, SC:
There are also a few anime-related message boards that I didn't really peruse (beyond seeing he apparently blames 'The Snorks' for ruining American animation), as it no longer seemed necessary to find any more information to help give me some context as to Mr. Palmer's personal demeanor, and what possible part it played in shaping this story. The message boards where he claimed to have been involved in dozens of historical/military events of the last few decades, and then the threats and insinuation's that detractors where working for Al-Qaeda gave me some relevant 'framing', as they say in media. So, hand's up: who still thinks this is a case of Library ageism and stereotyping, or who thinks the guy is probably a complete nut. |
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| daxomni Posts: 2420 Location: The morally challenged land of cheap guns and expensive health care. |
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*Raises hand* No doubt about it, you're starting to look like a nut.  |
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| Goodpenguin Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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When I read the guy's unhinged political rants and insane trolling, I immediately thought of you. |
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